The Hotstove Thread

[awz50]

Originally Posted by rman112

I'm interested to see what Houston's approach is. They have the young guys to get a trade done. Verlander's not going to be around forever. I see Keuchel gone for sure. Maybe Morton comes back if he doesn't get any big offers. They were linked to Paxton, and have heard them mentioned with Eovaldi and Corbin.

I saw Houston is tied in with nathan, really hoping the sox can swing in and sign him. Maybe even as a super reliever and not a starter.

[Wolves4Life]

White Sox got Alex Colome for garbage (Omar Narvaez).

[Hollywood42]

That's interesting. Colome is up and down some, but overall solid. He was pretty good after changing teams last year

Originally Posted by Wolves4Life

White Sox got Alex Colome for garbage (Omar Narvaez).

In other FA RP news, Kimbrel is apparently looking for a 6 year deal...

[Wolves4Life]

Originally Posted by Hollywood42

That's interesting. Colome is up and down some, but overall solid. He was pretty good after changing teams last year





In other FA RP news, Kimbrel is apparently looking for a 6 year deal...

Kimbrel shouldn't get a 6 year deal on MLB The Show much more real life.

[Homerun]

That Colome deal is solid for the Sox. He's not what he once was but he's better than what they had. He's immediately the closer now. Narvaez was nothing special.

[Boo]

• Cleveland is "much more inclined" to trade Trevor Bauer than Corey Kluber or Carlos Carrasco. (Bob Nightengale, USA Today)

[AnthonyCorona]

Originally Posted by rman112

Which is more likely?

Bumgarner trade (Houston fits)

Bumgarner extension

I think trade but need one or the other. Pointless to have him one year and let him walk


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[texmcpherson]

That's all it took to get Colome?

[StlScott]

Billy Hamilton non-tendered. You cant steal first base!

[RaceDog]

Just after his Topps Living Set moment of fame lol. Hasn't that happened a couple of times now?

[Homerun]

Sox non-tendered Matt Davidson and Avi Garcia. Thank god.

[ClevelandIC]

Sounds like Yan Gomes to the Nationals is a done deal and I can’t figure out why.

Indians traded Mejia, Haase came up and didn’t perform all that well. Gomes coming off his best season in 4 years. Roberto Perez coming off his worst season as a pro.

I guess this confirms that the Indians payroll is way too high for them to afford. I don’t quite get it.

[prospects]

Originally Posted by ClevelandIC

Sounds like Yan Gomes to the Nationals is a done deal and I can’t figure out why.

Indians traded Mejia, Haase came up and didn’t perform all that well. Gomes coming off his best season in 4 years. Roberto Perez coming off his worst season as a pro.

I guess this confirms that the Indians payroll is way too high for them to afford. I don’t quite get it.

the indians are done. time to rebuild.

[dodgerfanjohn]

Originally Posted by prospects

the indians are done. time to rebuild.

Burn that ish down(and give the Dodgers Corey Kluber in the process . )

[Hollywood42]

Yeah, losing a player like Gomes sure ruins any chance at success!

Originally Posted by prospects

the indians are done. time to rebuild.

[base set]

Originally Posted by ClevelandIC

Sounds like Yan Gomes to the Nationals is a done deal and I can’t figure out why.

Indians traded Mejia, Haase came up and didn’t perform all that well. Gomes coming off his best season in 4 years. Roberto Perez coming off his worst season as a pro.

I guess this confirms that the Indians payroll is way too high for them to afford. I don’t quite get it.

If they can’t afford a fairly good (offensively) $4 Million Catcher for one more year with 2 years of team option after that, they might as well move down to the International League so they can really save money on travel costs.

The Nationals already signed Kurt Suzuki, too, though probably as a back-up.

Either Cleveland doesn’t like Gomes working with the Pitching staff, or the Nationals have somebody Cleveland really wants.

[prospects]

Originally Posted by Hollywood42

Yeah, losing a player like Gomes sure ruins any chance at success!

they are losing andrew miller(the reason they made the world series), their catcher, and their starting pitchers are on trade block.

rebuild.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by awz50

I saw Houston is tied in with nathan, really hoping the sox can swing in and sign him. Maybe even as a super reliever and not a starter.

Nah. Someone's going to give him big time starter money.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by prospects

they are losing andrew miller(the reason they made the world series), their catcher, and their starting pitchers are on trade block.

rebuild.

Im not going that far to say that moving Gomes is throwing up the white flag.

[tkraft24]

Originally Posted by prospects

they are losing andrew miller(the reason they made the world series), their catcher, and their starting pitchers are on trade block.

rebuild.

A rebuild with Lindor, Ramirez and 3 of their 4 top starters doesn’t sound bad.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by tkraft24

A rebuild with Lindor, Ramirez and 3 of their 4 top starters doesn’t sound bad.

My sentiments exactly.

[prospects]

Originally Posted by tkraft24

A rebuild with Lindor, Ramirez and 3 of their 4 top starters doesn’t sound bad.

Okay, then they can have a few more 85 year win seasons, and then trade their stars for pennies at deadlines, and then rebuild lol. they done.

[bwalter1]

Originally Posted by tkraft24

A rebuild with Lindor, Ramirez and 3 of their 4 top starters doesn’t sound bad.

It does bc you have to put more than those players on the field. Besides Lindor and Ramirez it is a Triple A team. I am not sure who they are even trying to move anymore with their pitching but if you see 2 of their SP's leave than you can put a fork in them for at a minimum next year. Ironically their triple A team could get 2nd in their division depending on what moves the twins make. They will not be deep in the playoffs though if they make it.

[Hollywood42]

It's really not that bad, as long as they're smart with their trades. They have to be thinking they're not ready to compete with the big dogs in the AL right now- No outfield, bullpen went from great to meh/poor in the span of one season, and a few other minor holes. This last offseason exposed them big time

So, what's the plan? IDK their salary situation, but it's probably not viable for them to sign FAs to cover everything. They could put out a similar product and get good results- overall a good year but clearly multiple holes and get booted in the first round of the playoffs. Or, they can do something about it

They actually have some great pieces to build around, talented players under contract for a good length of time. Ramirez and Lindor would be fantastic pillars on any team, and they have them both. Bauer is a stud with 2 years of arbitration left. Clevinger took a huge step forward this year, Bieber has a lot of potential, and they have a few other solid guys as well. Edwin and Brantley might not be the most tradeable players (meaning what they'd probably get in return doesn't make sense to trade that production), but they're still quality players for them right now

Then you have your tradable assets. Kluber, and Carrasco, stellar pitchers. But they're getting older and you have to think he's going to start becoming less dominant (Kluber's going to be 33 early next season, Carrasco 32). With the pitching market this offseason, both pitchers could get absolute treasure chests. And I honestly think it makes sense to trade them. Go back to what I started with, you can keep them and get similar results to last year, or you could trade them for a smart package and put your team in a good spot for the future

They key is a smart package. Does it make sense to trade those 2 for a bunch of guys 2+ years away? No, it doesn't, the Indians have a lot of quality pieces right now. But if they could get some high caliber prospects that are ready to debut now, it could make a lot of sense. They won't get a Vlad Jr or Eloy type player, but I could see either player netting a package headlining a Rodgers, Tucker, or Hiura type player plus an additional 2-3 top 100 prospects. If they're smart with their deals and can get a top 25 prospect that's ready to compete now, another top 60ish and another prospect or two with high ceilings, I think it'd be a super smart move

I mean, look at the alternative. They hold Kluber and Carrasco for another year or two after getting similar team results to this season, and then they trade them when they have less years left, are older and less effective, and going to bring in a lesser haul, or they're FAs and you lose them for nothing. Then you've wasted another year or two of Lindor, Ramirez, Bauer, Clevinger, etc

I really do think it would make sense to trade Kluber and Carrasco IF they do it right. If they play their cards correctly, they should be able to trade one or both this offseason, still win the division and get some playoff experience, while getting great returns and giving their team a much more successful outlook for the next 1-4 years down the road

As for the Gomes trade, meh. I don't really understand it, but he was never going to be a key to all this anyways

Originally Posted by bwalter1

It does bc you have to put more than those players on the field. Besides Lindor and Ramirez it is a Triple A team. I am not sure who they are even trying to move anymore with their pitching but if you see 2 of their SP's leave than you can put a fork in them for at a minimum next year. Ironically their triple A team could get 2nd in their division depending on what moves the twins make. They will not be deep in the playoffs though if they make it.

[SethMurphy]

You missed one thing in your post HW. Michael Brantley is no longer a member of the Indians. They didn't extend a qualifying offer to him this year, so he is a free agent.

They have this lineup right now

C - Roberto Perez
1B - Yonder Alonso
2B - Jason Kipnis
3B - Jose Ramirez
SS - Francisco Lindor
OF - Tyler Naquin
OF - Bradley Zimmer
OF - Greg Allen
DH - Edwin Encarnacion

SP - Corey Kluber
SP - Carlos Carrasco
SP - Trevor Bauer
SP - Mike Clevinger
SP - Shane Bieber

CL - Cody Allen
RP - Brad Hand
RP - Danny Salazar
RP - Adam Cimber
no one else who really matters.... Neil Ramirez, Adam Plutko, Nick Goody etc.

They aren't horrific outside of their outfielders. That rotation is really competitive, SS/3B are studs. Problem is they have zero depth, and not a lot coming from the minors. Bobby Bradley is their "future" at 1B, but no real big prospects coming in the OF. They also have Leonys Martin, Jordan Luplow in the OF rotation, but basically they have 5 guys that are at best a 3rd outfielder.


My suggestion is trade one SP, get a major league ready OF and a few prospects for depth. Send a pitcher to the Dodgers, get Puig or another OFer from their stock and build this team. They aren't that far behind being competitive.