First Buzz: 2018 Topps Heritage baseball cards

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by mfw13

So.....$90 a box for a product that prior to 2017 was a $60-70 a box product, but has now become a gambler's product because Topps decided to add rookie autos to it just like every other product they release.

correct.

#Thanks2018

[houston31911]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

correct.

#Thanks2018

Can Ohtani drive wax prices higher than Judge did last year?

[phil]

2016 did go up to $100 box not long after release and is still in that range.

[mfw13]

The shame is that this is a product that was originally created primarily for set-builders who liked the vintage designs.

But now, with the move from 75 SP's to 100 SP's making it harder to build the set, along with the increased box prices caused by all the rookie autos, it has become much more expensive to try and build the set.

For years I bought four boxes from my LCS for $250, got my 32 SP's, and traded my "hits" for the other 43 SP's I needed to complete the set.

Now those four boxes cost $350-400, and even after opening them, you're short 68 SP's, which are going to cost another $150 or so. Even with a couple of hits to trade, I'm still looking at $400+ to build the set.

And please do not reply by pointing out that you can buy a complete set for less from a breaker....for set builders the joy is in the challenge of building the set, not the ownership of it.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by phil

2016 did go up to $100 box not long after release and is still in that range.

Yes, but not before release. I used to lock in with my LCS before the holidays....

[Pixman1]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

correct.

#Thanks2018

Yep only pay this price if you are a die hard Heritage fan. You have zero chance of recouping your money at this price point. People are going to be very shocked when they get their 3 autos, one of which is likely to be an old school veteran ($15-20) a rookie pitcher ($10-15) and one good auto ($100 +) if your lucky (case hit). One case won’t build a master set anymore either. Unless you feel like listing tons of $1-2 items. The relics won’t sell for much either.

[parkerj33]

Let me offer an alternative viewpoint. From 2001-2007 there were 100-110 sps per set. And hobby cases had 8 boxes. Granted sps were 12 per box but still no master in a case. And don’t tell me the auto checklist or frequency was better back then. It wasn’t. A case had 2-3 autos maximum. Many had 1. And just as many scrubs on auto list. And no rookie card autos in the old days either.


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[Tim]

Originally Posted by mfw13

The shame is that this is a product that was originally created primarily for set-builders who liked the vintage designs.

But now, with the move from 75 SP's to 100 SP's making it harder to build the set, along with the increased box prices caused by all the rookie autos, it has become much more expensive to try and build the set.

For years I bought four boxes from my LCS for $250, got my 32 SP's, and traded my "hits" for the other 43 SP's I needed to complete the set.

Now those four boxes cost $350-400, and even after opening them, you're short 68 SP's, which are going to cost another $150 or so. Even with a couple of hits to trade, I'm still looking at $400+ to build the set.

And please do not reply by pointing out that you can buy a complete set for less from a breaker....for set builders the joy is in the challenge of building the set, not the ownership of it.

did you just copy and paste your same remarks from the 2017 heritage thread?

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by mfw13

The shame is that this is a product that was originally created primarily for set-builders who liked the vintage designs.

But now, with the move from 75 SP's to 100 SP's making it harder to build the set, along with the increased box prices caused by all the rookie autos, it has become much more expensive to try and build the set.

For years I bought four boxes from my LCS for $250, got my 32 SP's, and traded my "hits" for the other 43 SP's I needed to complete the set.

Now those four boxes cost $350-400, and even after opening them, you're short 68 SP's, which are going to cost another $150 or so. Even with a couple of hits to trade, I'm still looking at $400+ to build the set.

And please do not reply by pointing out that you can buy a complete set for less from a breaker....for set builders the joy is in the challenge of building the set, not the ownership of it.

Topps has moved on from you and i

its ok, it happens

last year's set is the first i do not own in complete form, and ive come to terms with it

[PDCCollectibles]

Originally Posted by mfw13

The shame is that this is a product that was originally created primarily for set-builders who liked the vintage designs.

But now, with the move from 75 SP's to 100 SP's making it harder to build the set, along with the increased box prices caused by all the rookie autos, it has become much more expensive to try and build the set.

For years I bought four boxes from my LCS for $250, got my 32 SP's, and traded my "hits" for the other 43 SP's I needed to complete the set.

Now those four boxes cost $350-400, and even after opening them, you're short 68 SP's, which are going to cost another $150 or so. Even with a couple of hits to trade, I'm still looking at $400+ to build the set.

And please do not reply by pointing out that you can buy a complete set for less from a breaker....for set builders the joy is in the challenge of building the set, not the ownership of it.

If you are just trying to build the set and don't care about hits, etc. retail is usually at a much cheaper price point and you still get your SP's and inserts needed. Just a thought....

[Pixman1]

Originally Posted by parkerj33

Let me offer an alternative viewpoint. From 2001-2007 there were 100-110 sps per set. And hobby cases had 8 boxes. Granted sps were 12 per box but still no master in a case. And don’t tell me the auto checklist or frequency was better back then. It wasn’t. A case had 2-3 autos maximum. Many had 1. And just as many scrubs on auto list. And no rookie card autos in the old days either.


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Oh without question the modern version of Heritage is leaps and bounds ahead of those years. I just cant wrap my head around how this has morphed into a breaker product. The sexy hits are rare and most buying into breaks at these prices are going to be very disappointed. Certainly rippers and flippers are going to lose big. I’ll just have to lurk on eBay for all the goodies that will be dumped right after the breaks if the past is any indication. Good deals to be had right out of the block.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by PDCCollectibles

If you are just trying to build the set and don't care about hits, etc. retail is usually at a much cheaper price point and you still get your SP's and inserts needed. Just a thought....

True.

But the move from 75 SP's to 100 SP's, in combination with the increase in box prices, has made me change my approach to Heritage completely.

Up until last year, I had built every Heritage set. I kept the years where I liked the designs (54/55/56/64/65/66) and sold the rest.

Last year I didn't even try, and I won't be building the set this year either. Going forward, I'm probably only going to buy the years where I really like the design, which means I'm probably out until 2022, when the 1973 design comes up.

[DonnieBaseball2]

I’m considering buying a case even at the inflated prices right now. I love Heritage and enjoy breaking it. However I think the current prices are low to what they might be. Mostly because I can’t imagine that Topps would let Panini beat them to the first Ohtani card in Donruss. Do you guys think they would let that happen?

[Technochocolate]

There's been a lot of gnashing of teeth about box prices and set building....I've come to terms with it all, I'm okay with the current state of things.

Except for Heritage, man. C'mon. This is the one that's supposed to avoid that kind of crap.

I'd love for retail to be an alternative option to this. Just let me know when you actually see a blaster in a retail store. I don't think I've still seen a 2017 blaster live in the wild. Bought every hanger I saw last year, which added up to 7 or 8. Hobby is the ONLY way to build up anything close to a base set.

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by DonnieBaseball2

I can’t imagine that Topps would let Panini beat them to the first Ohtani card in Donruss. Do you guys think they would let that happen?

Topps will have the first licensed card with logos and probably all of Otani's head so who cares what Poopnini does with Donruss?

[TarjetasBéisbol]

It's February!! One day closer to 2018 Topps Heritage release!!

[MotorboatJones]

Pumped beyond belief for Heritage !! Can’t wait !!!

[chfu3030]

Pre ordered my two cases in August.

#26 days.

[Haze28]

Did I miss the boat on reasonable case prices? I don’t know if I feel like dropping a grand on it.

[kyle1707]

Originally Posted by chfu3030

Pre ordered my two cases in August.

#26 days.

19 days to checklist

[kyle1707]

Originally Posted by MotorboatJones

Pumped beyond belief for Heritage !! Can’t wait !!!

I like it so much more then any product

Opening series 1 was pretty boring I have to admit

I’m just a sucker for the real Card board cards

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by Haze28

Did I miss the boat on reasonable case prices? I don’t know if I feel like dropping a grand on it.

yes sir.

[mma138]

according to the new ohtani article it doesn't sound like he will be in heritage

[kyle1707]

Originally Posted by mma138

according to the new ohtani article it doesn't sound like he will be in heritage

If he plays well. It will be a real boost for HHN

But would be much better for heritage imo

Because he is still a prospect. Would be all hype all of March

[okumeister]

Originally Posted by mma138

according to the new ohtani article it doesn't sound like he will be in heritage

What is the “new Ohtani article”?
Where can we find it?