2015 Prospect Rush Draft Hit Parade

[motu79]

lol guys.

Can you tell me why this thread is so big?
This was made as a group break product, correct?
Are there not a few winners and a lot of losers in a group break?
How is this any different?

I haven't read the last 500 posts so whatever has been argued since the whole ROI argument, I'm out of the loop. You guys lost me there, but here's this thread, always at the top.

Has Will chimed in yet?

[kordell1]

Originally Posted by msterling21

Less than 10/300 winners, wow great odds (not)

Never said it was great odds, though I would guess more like 30-40 winners with the instant win cards(still not great odds). I just know I would not be posting lies on an open forum that could affect someone's business. I believe the person that I responded to said they run a card shop. If I got on here and falsely proclaimed they were known pack searchers and soon after they went out of business, I would have opened myself up to a lawsuit. All I said is people can dislike something but that doesn't excuse dishonesty.

[jstasyk1121]

Originally Posted by kordell1

Never said it was great odds, though I would guess more like 30-40 winners with the instant win cards(still not great odds). I just know I would not be posting lies on an open forum that could affect someone's business. I believe the person that I responded to said they run a card shop. If I got on here and falsely proclaimed they were known pack searchers and soon after they went out of business, I would have opened myself up to a lawsuit. All I said is people can dislike something but that doesn't excuse dishonesty.

.hitting a $600 case on the instant win doesnt make a box a winner...either does hitting 10 slabbed autos even with a buxton....its a small % of $2800 so unless you hit some monsters + instant win you are still losing...

[blackandgold]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Kris Bryant 2013 Bowman Chrome 9.5 Autos were selling between $650 and $725 in March on eBay. After his call-up, these autos were selling for $600 and $650.

Today, they sell for between $425 and $475. Value since the spring training hype has fallen about 33% so if you make that leap to the Superfractor, a $50,000 valued card (maybe), may now be worth $35,000 (maybe).

But Bryant isn't helping. 100% of his HR's and 60% of his RBI's in June have come on one pitch, thrown by David Murphy. It's June 21st; he's hitting well for average and OBP, but his power is absent. Slowly, he's losing chatter to guys like Schwarber, Pederson, Stanton, Harper. If that continues, he'll be an afterthought in the Cubs system, similar to what Addison Russell has become this season.

Bryant will hardly become an afterthought in the Cubs system. The power will come it's gonna take some time. You should know that. Don't sleep on Addy either he's gonna be a beast playing SS

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by blackandgold

Bryant will hardly become an afterthought in the Cubs system. The power will come it's gonna take some time. You should know that. Don't sleep on Addy either he's gonna be a beast playing SS

You haven't been watching then. Bryant has changed his swing considerably; he's not getting any loft anymore. As for Russell, I don't think I've heard his name spoken in the last two months.

Nobody is suggesting these guys can't / won't be Cubs stars for years to come, but in terms of card value; once you lose hype, it's nearly impossible to get it back unless you're an MVP consistently. Value on both of these guys will continue to tumble.

[blackandgold]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

You haven't been watching then. Bryant has changed his swing considerably; he's not getting any loft anymore. As for Russell, I don't think I've heard his name spoken in the last two months.

Nobody is suggesting these guys can't / won't be Cubs stars for years to come, but in terms of card value; once you lose hype, it's nearly impossible to get it back unless you're an MVP consistently. Value on both of these guys will continue to tumble.

I have to disagree on the power concept. Hardly does a player come into the league and hit 40HRs which is what everybody expects of Bryant. The last 2 players in what 20 something yrs Big Mac and Pujols. Look at what Harper is doing. He's been in the league what 3 yrs now. I agree on the card values but at some point and time he will blast higher than Harper if he shows the power is capable of displaying

[kordell1]

Originally Posted by jstasyk1121

.hitting a $600 case on the instant win doesnt make a box a winner...either does hitting 10 slabbed autos even with a buxton....its a small % of $2800 so unless you hit some monsters + instant win you are still losing...

This just goes back to the argument that all the value is 1 card or instant win. There are 20 cards, 10 packs and 1 to 2 scratch cards. I am talking total value of everything in the box exceeding the cost of the box. That bonus with the Buxton for example, also included autograph slabs of Gordon, Schwarber, Kolek, Fisher and Alex Jackson. And that was just the instant win. It just gets silly when people get on here claiming only 1 or 5 boxes in the whole run will come out ahead. You can look at the first page and know that is not accurate.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by blackandgold

I have to disagree on the power concept. Hardly does a player come into the league and hit 40HRs which is what everybody expects of Bryant. The last 2 players in what 20 something yrs Big Mac and Pujols. Look at what Harper is doing. He's been in the league what 3 yrs now. I agree on the card values but at some point and time he will blast higher than Harper if he shows the power is capable of displaying

No reasonably minded person expected Bryant to hit 40 HR's this season.

What people did expect, was for him to hit more than 0 in April and 0 in June. He's older than Harper, so again, to expect him to have better power would be reasonable too.

And let's be clear; Bryant isn't hitting almost HR's either. He's hitting sharp short line drives for the most part, w/ weak short fly balls. That shows a complete change in approach; and while it's serving his slash line up front well, the back-end is suffering (and that's the number that matters most to collectors).

[blackandgold]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

No reasonably minded person expected Bryant to hit 40 HR's this season.

What people did expect, was for him to hit more than 0 in April and 0 in June. He's older than Harper, so again, to expect him to have better power would be reasonable too.

And let's be clear; Bryant isn't hitting almost HR's either. He's hitting sharp short line drives for the most part, w/ weak short fly balls. That shows a complete change in approach; and while it's serving his slash line up front well, the back-end is suffering (and that's the number that matters most to collectors).

We're talking Cubs fans here lol. At the end of the day I would expect him to live up to this line .280 25 HRs 70 rbis which is what most baseball people would accept also

[jstasyk1121]

Originally Posted by kordell1

This just goes back to the argument that all the value is 1 card or instant win. There are 20 cards, 10 packs and 1 to 2 scratch cards. I am talking total value of everything in the box exceeding the cost of the box. That bonus with the Buxton for example, also included autograph slabs of Gordon, Schwarber, Kolek, Fisher and Alex Jackson. And that was just the instant win. It just gets silly when people get on here claiming only 1 or 5 boxes in the whole run will come out ahead. You can look at the first page and know that is not accurate.

i have no clue how many boxes will truly be winners...but for instance...im not gonna try to find the box with that 10 slab instant win...but all those base autos added up to what? im not even a big prospect guy...so im honestly asking....lets say they are worth a $1000(which im fairly certain they arent since one of the guys you mentioned-kolek- sells for $25-35)...the rest of the box would STILL have to be $1800+ to be a "winner"...and that is using $1000 for the instant win value....

so with the free case instant win which everyone puts a $600 value on...the other 20cards/sketch/packs/case would have to get over $2200 to be a win....how many boxes so far have hit that number with or without instant win....a couple maybe...its looking like its VERY hard to actually "win" on this product outside of pulling a KB scratch winner...

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by blackandgold

We're talking Cubs fans here lol. At the end of the day I would expect him to live up to this line .280 25 HRs 70 rbis which is what most baseball people would accept also

That's terrific. (RBI's will be higher)

What does Brandon Moss chrome autos sell for these days?

[RobDerhak]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

No reasonably minded person expected Bryant to hit 40 HR's this season.

What people did expect, was for him to hit more than 0 in April and 0 in June. He's older than Harper, so again, to expect him to have better power would be reasonable too.

And let's be clear; Bryant isn't hitting almost HR's either. He's hitting sharp short line drives for the most part, w/ weak short fly balls. That shows a complete change in approach; and while it's serving his slash line up front well, the back-end is suffering (and that's the number that matters most to collectors).

by a matter of months right? Also Harper has 3 years MLB experience before he is doing consistently amazing things...his value isn't exactly dropping.

Proclaiming that KBs value has peaked, while a possibility,is a pretty bold statement.

[gabballplayer14]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

That's terrific. (RBI's will be higher)

What does Brandon Moss chrome autos sell for these days?

Come on, you know that is not a fair comparison.
1) Moss does not have a BC auto
2) Moss never had 1/2 the hype Bryant does/did
3) Moss has been traded 3 times now and has no "solid" team. Sure he came up with the Sox but he never played for them during his good years.

[hoopster3977]

I can't wait until the wind starts blowing out of Wrigley and the temperatures warm up in Chicago. Many multiple HR games on the way.

[RobDerhak]

Originally Posted by jstasyk1121

i have no clue how many boxes will truly be winners...but for instance...im not gonna try to find the box with that 10 slab instant win...but all those base autos added up to what? im not even a big prospect guy...so im honestly asking....lets say they are worth a $1000(which im fairly certain they arent since one of the guys you mentioned-kolek- sells for $25-35)...the rest of the box would STILL have to be $1800+ to be a "winner"...and that is using $1000 for the instant win value....

so with the free case instant win which everyone puts a $600 value on...the other 20cards/sketch/packs/case would have to get over $2200 to be a win....how many boxes so far have hit that number with or without instant win....a couple maybe...its looking like its VERY hard to actually "win" on this product outside of pulling a KB scratch winner...

I think it is obvious everyone has a different opinion of what "winning" a box is. The people that hate this product don't feel like they've won unless they can rip & flip for a profit. I'd wager they hate most products.

Personally, if I had fun opening it, had a chance at hitting at something truly large, and got maybe 50-75% of actualized value in return is a win...it is more about the experience of ripping, which you guys have placed a $0 value on, which is just wrong, again IMO.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by gabballplayer14

Come on, you know that is not a fair comparison.
1) Moss does not have a BC auto
2) Moss never had 1/2 the hype Bryant does/did
3) Moss has been traded 3 times now and has no "solid" team. Sure he came up with the Sox but he never played for them during his good years.

Of course not, but if Bryant turns into a 25 HR a year, .290 hitter, his cards will fall to the levels of a lot of other major league players who put up similar numbers. Bryant may have had the hype, but he's losing it.

Evan Longoria continues to be projection. Base auto - $40.

[NickM]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Of course not, but if Bryant turns into a 25 HR a year, .290 hitter, his cards will fall to the levels of a lot of other major league players who put up similar numbers. Bryant may have had the hype, but he's losing it.

Evan Longoria continues to be projection. Base auto - $40.

Longoria plays in Tampa Gray, the worst pro sports market in North America.
Put those numbers up on a popular team, and you're looking at $80-$100.

[preakness]

Some are too giddy at fact there are "bonus" cards as if that's going above and beyond

Also the buxton wasn't originally in the product
That card was only included after a supporter of the product contacted Will and asked for ten solid cards instead of 20 so so cards

My guess is Will did what was smart and helped out a supportive person
Good business on his end

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by NickM

Longoria plays in Tampa Gray, the worst pro sports market in North America.
Put those numbers up on a popular team, and you're looking at $80-$100.

Sure, don't disagree. That's likely where these settle, if Bryant can become a perennial All-Star.

[Dielon]

A repack product that has one giant chase hit. Of course it is going to be a loser most of the time. If you got suckered in then you learned your lesson dont buy these

[gabballplayer14]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Of course not, but if Bryant turns into a 25 HR a year, .290 hitter, his cards will fall to the levels of a lot of other major league players who put up similar numbers. Bryant may have had the hype, but he's losing it.

Evan Longoria continues to be projection. Base auto - $40.

I personally think David Wright circa 2010~ is a more fair comparison as far as card prices are concerned. Numbers-wise I think Longoria is spot on, but we all know we cannot simply compare numbers across markets and expect them to correlate price-wise.

[LEAF]

Originally Posted by tonedef2oo8

While this product is not for me I commend you on your transparency. Go ahead ask Leaf this same question I asked you and you get threatened with lawsuits for no good reason and hear how its impossible to show the low end. You on the other hand in minutes pull it up. Kudos.

I'll tell you honestly.. In best of baseball, the worst buyback card is $45-50 (in a $185 factory cost).
Plus you get original content... Not sure why you would be so silly with your reference to us..
BG

[tonedef2oo8]

Originally Posted by LEAF

I'll tell you honestly.. In best of baseball, the worst buyback card is $45-50 (in a $185 factory cost).
Plus you get original content... Not sure why you would be so silly with your reference to us..
BG

Because the few times I see someone would ask you for a checklist for your grab bags you would say its impossible. Yet we see it here out of someones basement. And if anyone presses the issue you go into litigation meltdown.

[JMPKCP]

Originally Posted by izybone

Quick question.

If you hit something good or decent, would you still be complaining?

I didn't think so.

The very fact that you would mention that tells me you're bitter about it.

Nope, just included that info because it is the next rational question someone would have...."How'd you do?"

[JMPKCP]

Originally Posted by MallcopKJ

What happens to the Bryant if no one pulls one of the 5 "winners" before the National?

Originally Posted by JMPKCP

That's the only way to win it according to Will's posted rules, so I guess he'd keep it....and it would be in PR's next release.

Originally Posted by MFM

This is false, and you know it.

Mallcop, the manufacturer said it was going to be given away at the National regardless. If you search the thread you can find the post.

I can't find this alleged post to which you refer. Last I heard Will said it was going to be given away at the National whether there were 1 or 5 winners. I have NEVER seen any post saying it would be given away regardless if there were ZERO winners. That sounds ridiculous to me...what are they going to do, just hand it to some random passerby?