2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

In the broadest terms, articles about Michelle Obama share a theme of her "making a statement" with her fashion whereas Melania Trump's fashion is "controversial" and "causes a stir." [Just scan the headlines from any google search]

In other words, the fashion world allows its political views to color its analysis.

Correct. When you type in "Michelle Obama fashion" every single entry is about her best looks, how she made a statement, how she commanded the room etc. When you do the same for "Melania Trump fashion" you are littered with controversy, how things didn't work, and just general headline questions of "What was Melania thinking"

And I truly cannot find a single article that says anything negative about Obama. Not one.

[IgnatiusJReilly]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

That was too easy. Took me about 15 seconds.


https://www.mediamatters.org/drudge-...r-dress-choice





that being said: the media is ruining this country.

Agreed. Sadly people are unable to really think for themselves and media (including social media) is happy to take advantage of it. The fact that I see cars with wwg1wga stickers is evidence enough of people's inability to sort through information and use logic to identify likely facts and likely falsehoods.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

I try to stay out of here these days but these two articles took me five seconds to find.

Michelle Obama Wears $540 Designer Sneakers to Feed the Poor

Right-Wing Fashion Police Attack Michelle Obama's State Dinner Dress Choice

And let's not forget the mess about the tan suit Obama wore.

Shocking, both sides are crappy to each other while pretending they take the high road. What are you going to tell me next?

Sending a media matters link attacking republicans? What in the world are you doing?

You have missed the point completely and your evidence is embarrassing.

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

This patently wrong. Fox News routinely gave crap to Michelle for wearing outfits that cost $X more than the poverty level or shoes that cost $x.

The problem with bringing Fox in is that—despite it's large viewership—it's always been as openly partisan as The Huffington Post.

For the last 30 years of so, we've at least pretended that bulk of the mainstream media was fairly objective. So looking at the contrast in how the First Ladies have been depicted in the media between Fox and HuffPo is pretty striking.

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Hmmm ... something seems off.

‘Memba when President Obama rocked a tan suit?

I really don’t care, do you?

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by gopherfan

I believe that was Heel. He said he started doing odd jobs for money at 10 (mowing lawns, shoveling driveways is my guess so not illegal) and he started his career at 23. Not that he is 23. At least that is what I got out of it.

I wish I was 23.

I am far from it.

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Sending a media matters link attacking republicans? What in the world are you doing?

You have missed the point completely and your evidence is embarrassing.

The fact that you didn't read all the links that Media Matters provided to show just how much crap Michelle got from the right wing media is embarrassing.

But yes, Republicans are the biggest victims here. When are we going to start thinking about them.

Partisan politics are so unbelievably strong. I don't know why. Trump or Biden could execute a baby on TV and they'd still poll at 35% or more. I hate it.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

‘Memba when President Obama rocked a tan suit?

I really don’t care, do you?

Of course not. My concern is that the media continues to poison the population; and I wish they would stop.

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by gopherfan

Agree. In Michigan, the lottery, liquor stores and pot shops have been considered essential since day 1. But my industry (Casino) is still only at 15% capacity.

Initially, I thought it was dumb to designate liquor shops as essential. The more I thought about it, the more it made sense. If the shops closed, there would probably be an influx of suicidal/in withdrawal people clogging up the hospitals even more so. Just a hypothesis on my part.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

The fact that you didn't read all the links that Media Matters provided to show just how much crap Michelle got from the right wing media is embarrassing.

But yes, Republicans are the biggest victims here. When are we going to start thinking about them.

Partisan politics are so unbelievably strong. I don't know why. Trump or Biden could execute a baby on TV and they'd still poll at 35% or more. I hate it.

Great, then you'll have no problem showing me the link to the main stream media or fashion outlet that wrote an article about poor Michele Obama in a negative way. Media Matters is not that. MSNBC / CNN / Fox News is partisan. Hit me with any paper / any fashion magazine you want.

I'll still wait. Probably gonna send me to Drudge or Info Wars next.

[IgnatiusJReilly]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Great, then you'll have no problem showing me the link to the main stream media or fashion outlet that wrote an article about poor Michele Obama in a negative way. Media Matters is not that. MSNBC / CNN / Fox News is partisan. Hit me with any paper / any fashion magazine you want.

I'll still wait. Probably gonna send me to Drudge or Info Wars next.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=4314760&page=1

There you go. Now can we stop with the time-wasting discussion of why the media is terrible? We all know it's terrible!

[IgnatiusJReilly]

Here you go:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fa...er/ar-BB18palE

[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

Initially, I thought it was dumb to designate liquor shops as essential. The more I thought about it, the more it made sense. If the shops closed, there would probably be an influx of suicidal/in withdrawal people clogging up the hospitals even more so. Just a hypothesis on my part.

While I do think withdrawal issues were part of it, I’m sure the main driver is that liquor stores are the closest things some people have to grocery stores. I know the definition of liquor store varies by region but in Michigan they are basically convenience stores with a good selection of alcohol.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by IgnatiusJReilly

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=4314760&page=1

There you go. Now can we stop with the time-wasting discussion of why the media is terrible? We all know it's terrible!

Fashion. The title today boys and girls is fashion. Sending me a link about her comments being under fire IS NOT THAT. And it's still not eve a criticism! LOL. It's just an article saying Republicans don't like what she said.

Dear God please stop!

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by IgnatiusJReilly

Here you go:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fa...er/ar-BB18palE

What are you doing? I mean seriously, do you know?

[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by IgnatiusJReilly

Agreed. Sadly people are unable to really think for themselves and media (including social media) is happy to take advantage of it. The fact that I see cars with wwg1wga stickers is evidence enough of people's inability to sort through information and use logic to identify likely facts and likely falsehoods.

I just watched “the social dilemma” and “behind the curve” on Netflix. The root cause is that people are stupid, but social media is making things worse.

[IgnatiusJReilly]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Fashion. The title today boys and girls is fashion. Sending me a link about her comments being under fire IS NOT THAT. And it's still not eve a criticism! LOL. It's just an article saying Republicans don't like what she said.

Dear God please stop!

I was operating under the conditions of your initial Melania post. If you looked at that article instead of just the title, it was exactly the same: it was just comments from Twitter aggregated to make an "article".

[IgnatiusJReilly]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Fashion. The title today boys and girls is fashion. Sending me a link about her comments being under fire IS NOT THAT. And it's still not eve a criticism! LOL. It's just an article saying Republicans don't like what she said.

Dear God please stop!

Ok, I have taken the bait the last time.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/michell...aise-eyebrows/

Have fun with your life.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by IgnatiusJReilly

I was operating under the conditions of your initial Melania post. If you looked at that article instead of just the title, it was exactly the same: it was just comments from Twitter aggregated to make an "article".

You can easily find dozens of articles that talk about Melania and fashion negatively. Here ...

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/202...her-should-you

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/202...ump-rnc-speech

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/26/s...onvention.html

etc. etc. One time from any fashion writer / fashion column / fashion magazine that said anything even close to this about Michelle. I don't need Chuck Schumer weighing in about Melania's outfit and I don't need Lindsey Graham talking about Obama. I want someone who writes about fashion to question Obama. Once.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by IgnatiusJReilly

Ok, I have taken the bait the last time.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/michell...aise-eyebrows/

Have fun with your life.

LOL, did you read the article? Can you kindly point out the negativity here ... they just describe the shoes. That's .... that's the whole article. The fashion editor really laid into her LOL.

"She used them to walk the dog," Rodriguez said. "I think she's worn them - she says she wakes up at 5:00 in the morning to walk her dog. And her response to all this was, 'they're just shoes,' but they're expensive shoes."
According to Daily News Fashion Editor Amy Diluna, "these sneakers - suede, with grosgrain ribbon laces and metallic pink toe caps - are made by French design house Lanvin, one of fashion's hottest labels."
Diluna says the sneakers, which are a "cult favorite among fashionistas," come in denim and satin versions, and have been "a brisk seller all spring."
"A week ago, Michelle shoveled dirt at a tree planting while wearing the line's chiffon tank," Diluna noted. "Dresses and strappy pumps cost upward of $1,500, while tops go for $400 to $1,000."

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Great, then you'll have no problem showing me the link to the main stream media or fashion outlet that wrote an article about poor Michele Obama in a negative way. Media Matters is not that. MSNBC / CNN / Fox News is partisan. Hit me with any paper / any fashion magazine you want.

I'll still wait. Probably gonna send me to Drudge or Info Wars next.

I caught this point, but it seems you and I are in the minority.
The point isn't what they're wearing or that people bitched on both sides of the aisle about both figures.
The point that got lost to a lot of you is mainstream media.
We all know Fox and other outlets leans right, CNN, MSNBC and other outlets lean left.
Shouldn't there be a regular mainstream media that doesn't lean either direction? Somewhere where we can get non biased news?
Some will disagree but CBS, NBC and ABC all lean left as well in my opinion.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I believe that is the point.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Astros19

I caught this point, but it seems you and I are in the minority.
The point isn't what they're wearing or that people bitched on both sides of the aisle about both figures.
The point that got lost to a lot of you is mainstream media.
We all know Fox and other outlets leans right, CNN, MSNBC and other outlets lean left.
Shouldn't there be a regular mainstream media that doesn't lean either direction? Somewhere where we can get non biased news?
Some will disagree but CBS, NBC and ABC all lean left as well in my opinion.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I believe that is the point.

I just want someone who writes about fashion. That's it. So many sites have fashion editors, fashion columns; there are dozens and dozens of magazines that write on fashion all the time ... and they always question Melania's motives, her statements and tell me what's not working.

One time any one of these sites, fashion blogs, editors said "Michelle, that didn't work" or "What was she thinking". Unless of course I am wrong and Michelle Obama is the queen of fashion who nailed it 100% of the time and Melania, the former model, has no idea WTF she's doing.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Is wearing a seat belt a law in PA?

Abolish it if it is. People can think for themselves.

Get rid of OSHA, too. People know how to work safely without help from the government. If an employer is creating an unsafe environment, quit and work someplace else. That would be the logical thing to do. Why put yourself in harms way?

You’re onto something. OSHA is the worst.

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by Astros19

Shouldn't there be a regular mainstream media that doesn't lean either direction? Somewhere where we can get non biased news?

If there was a market for it, it would probably already exist. The media is just providing what people want. The days of dry, black and white, fact based news....is dead.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by pac213up

If there was a market for it, it would probably already exist. The media is just providing what people want. The days of dry, black and white, fact based news....is dead.

I think local news does a pretty OK job of that for the most part. They report what is going on in your town, in your city with simple facts "This person was arrests for this, this is what the weather is tomorrow, this is how the high school football team did this week" etc. etc. Certainly not on a macro level but I watch my local CBS / NBC affiliate in their 4pm news time slot and even when they talk about Trump, it's just the anchor relaying a video of his press conference or what he signed.

Pretty straight IMHO.