2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[kerg]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

You're being too kind. She shouldn't be allowed to exist, let alone procreate.

I guess I'm missing something or there is more to this?

Had a friend in a situation. Black female slumped in the seat of her car behind the steering wheel, friend was concerned because there was no movement. Told the owner of the store parking lot who called the police to investigate. By the time she was out of the store, the police were there with the person slumped behind the wheel. The cops pointed to my friend, said something and the lady flew off the handle, was screaming at her, calling her racist #@#@#@#@#@#@ and tried to go after her, but the cops restrained her. She went from a point to calling because of concern, but now she is probably of the stance of 'screw it.. I see someone slumped over, screw em'

So.. if this person saw a fight going on and maybe their first instinct was to call the police because there is a fight going on in the middle of the street, but then thinks "Oh.. if I call, am I calling because they are black and fightin g in the middle of the street. Or, if I don't call, am I not calling because they are black or if I call, are the cops going to kill them"

To me doesn't sound like people fighting in the middle of the street is a good idea, but if the standard is to let them go at it regardless of skin color, ok.

[hairysasquatch]

Trump brought back B1G football! Now Joe can watch it in his basement!
Trump = doing stuff.
Biden = drooling on stuff.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

Trump brought back B1G football! Now Joe can watch it in his basement!
Trump = doing stuff.
Biden = drooling on stuff.

Tell him to get fans in the stands next. I'll even take 50% NFL capacity.

[Chris Lyle]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/we-ca...-wins-aoc-says

Nice to see that lefists are confident they can bring Joe to them

[wood minis]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

We talkin' about commercials and ads now? Who cares? (And Nikki Haley 2024 baby!)

It seems the only continuing grievance I hear in this thread day in and day out is one with a simple solution. Turn off the T.V. When you aren't being told about dumb commercials or meme videos or Trump's words and private conversations from years ago ... you're happier. You can bitch and moan about it for another 4.3 years; OR you have the ability to solve the problem.

I know which one you'll choose (collective you of course) but it doesn't have to be this way. Remember that.

Donald Trump has likely made every single one your lives better. Go enjoy them!

What part of where we are in the country now is better? Businesses are closed, including my own except for 2 part time days a week, and everyone is wearing a mask to go get groceries. I have one kid not in school because he doesn't understand wearing a mask all day and another kid who is doing a hybrid model where he is in school 2 days a week and discouraged by virtual learning the other 3 days a week.

I will concede that this is not all on Donald J. Trump, but he's not blameless and this new normal isn't what I would call happier.

I personally am taking it a day at a time. And that helps because I also am trusting that we are going to get to the other side of this, whether that be from the virus mutating to something less harmful, to our immune systems adapting, or to some medical breakthrough. I trust in those selflessly working towards this.

But I don't see this happening overnight. The medical people I know are looking to history and expecting that there will be waves, and that it is unlikely the first wave will be the most deadly.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by kerg

I guess I'm missing something or there is more to this?

Had a friend in a situation. Black female slumped in the seat of her car behind the steering wheel, friend was concerned because there was no movement. Told the owner of the store parking lot who called the police to investigate. By the time she was out of the store, the police were there with the person slumped behind the wheel. The cops pointed to my friend, said something and the lady flew off the handle, was screaming at her, calling her racist #@#@#@#@#@#@ and tried to go after her, but the cops restrained her. She went from a point to calling because of concern, but now she is probably of the stance of 'screw it.. I see someone slumped over, screw em'

So.. if this person saw a fight going on and maybe their first instinct was to call the police because there is a fight going on in the middle of the street, but then thinks "Oh.. if I call, am I calling because they are black and fightin g in the middle of the street. Or, if I don't call, am I not calling because they are black or if I call, are the cops going to kill them"

To me doesn't sound like people fighting in the middle of the street is a good idea, but if the standard is to let them go at it regardless of skin color, ok.

I got the impression that this particular white woman wanted her community to know how woke she is, probably because there's a lot of that going on right now. If she thinks cops are going to show up and just shoot a couple black people and drive away, she's out of touch with reality.

Race shouldn't matter. If the people were white and fighting, would she call the cops? If so, then do that. If not, then don't call. There's no penalty for doing the right thing. If someone thinks you're racist for that, so what?

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

We talkin' about commercials and ads now? Who cares? (And Nikki Haley 2024 baby!)

It seems the only continuing grievance I hear in this thread day in and day out is one with a simple solution. Turn off the T.V. When you aren't being told about dumb commercials or meme videos or Trump's words and private conversations from years ago ... you're happier. You can bitch and moan about it for another 4.3 years; OR you have the ability to solve the problem.

I know which one you'll choose (collective you of course) but it doesn't have to be this way. Remember that.

Donald Trump has likely made every single one your lives better. Go enjoy them!

Yeah chaps, I can't fly with her.


She's had a chance to go out on her own, maybe start her own following and instead she is just towing the trump line, which, IMO is not a good one.

Ballhawk suggested a new guy who I'm checking out. (Dan Crenshaw)


The republicans need a new voice, new leadership and new energy.

[lionsfan20]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

I wish we can all meet face to face. It would be a great discussion. Things get lost over text.

Let's set up a Zoom meeting!

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[gopherfan]

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

Trump winning MN would have to mean that he got at least a couple of those, too, in addition to PA. MN would be astonishing considering the entire MPLS situation.

Last time MN voted Republican I was 2. I'm 50 now. I don't see that changing.

[gopherfan]

Originally Posted by GOWIFB

My god it is like talking to a wall.

A) Biden previously holding political office does not automatically equal that he stole taxpayer money. Not all politicians steal money.

B) The amount of time golfing isn't necessarily the issue (although it you want to count Trump is golfing about 2.5x as much as Obama did). It is the fact he only goes to his own properties and is pocketing all the money.

This really isn't rocket science

He likely is losing money going to his own properties. They have to be shut down while he is there, costing the property money.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by gopherfan

Last time MN voted Republican I was 2. I'm 50 now. I don't see that changing.

It's 2020. Anything and Everything is possible. 48 short days to the election; where Florida will determine (and determine the night of) who the next President of the United States will be.

Wonder what happens in the next 7 weeks to completely change the landscape? Exciting!

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

Yeah chaps, I can't fly with her.

She's had a chance to go out on her own, maybe start her own following and instead she is just towing the trump line, which, IMO is not a good one.

Ballhawk suggested a new guy who I'm checking out. (Dan Crenshaw)
The republicans need a new voice, new leadership and new energy.

I don't know what you mean by towing the Trump line. Can you elaborate?

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by wood minis

What part of where we are in the country now is better? Businesses are closed, including my own except for 2 part time days a week, and everyone is wearing a mask to go get groceries. I have one kid not in school because he doesn't understand wearing a mask all day and another kid who is doing a hybrid model where he is in school 2 days a week and discouraged by virtual learning the other 3 days a week.

I will concede that this is not all on Donald J. Trump, but he's not blameless and this new normal isn't what I would call happier.

I personally am taking it a day at a time. And that helps because I also am trusting that we are going to get to the other side of this, whether that be from the virus mutating to something less harmful, to our immune systems adapting, or to some medical breakthrough. I trust in those selflessly working towards this.

But I don't see this happening overnight. The medical people I know are looking to history and expecting that there will be waves, and that it is unlikely the first wave will be the most deadly.

Are you suggesting then that pre-COVID, you were a big fan of Trump and he had your vote; but now because of the virus, you have changed your mind?

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by gopherfan

Last time MN voted Republican I was 2. I'm 50 now. I don't see that changing.

Wasn't counting on MN.

[wood minis]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Are you suggesting then that pre-COVID, you were a big fan of Trump and he had your vote; but now because of the virus, you have changed your mind?

I was expressing my thoughts on your feeling we were all likely in a better place because of Trump if we only tuned out the noise.

My feelings about Trump are well known.

[Hootiefish]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

It's 2020. Anything and Everything is possible. 48 short days to the election; where Florida will determine (and determine the night of) who the next President of the United States will be.

Wonder what happens in the next 7 weeks to completely change the landscape? Exciting!

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...tion-forecast/

Fivethirtyeight has Trump's odds of winning at around 1 in 4, or in numbers we all understand, roughly better odds than hitting an A&G back in 2020 Allen & Ginter.

Slightly worse odds than he had in 2016, but a chance is still a chance.

Also, I move that we convert all political odds into a format similar to our back-of-pack odds.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by wood minis

I was expressing my thoughts on your feeling we were all likely in a better place because of Trump if we only tuned out the noise.

My feelings about Trump are well known.

You'll have to forgive me but I want to dive into what you said.

If you can be specific, I'd like to know which part of your life today, you feel Donald Trump bears responsibility (even fractional responsibility). I don't want them all, but I do want one you think is most emblematic of his mismanagement.

You had mentioned your son in hybrid learning. You believe Trump bears responsibility for that, or something else perhaps?

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Hootiefish

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...tion-forecast/

Fivethirtyeight has Trump's odds of winning at around 1 in 4, or in numbers we all understand, roughly better odds than hitting an A&G back in 2020 Allen & Ginter.

Slightly worse odds than he had in 2016, but a chance is still a chance.

Also, I move that we convert all political odds into a format similar to our back-of-pack odds.

Don't get me started on Nate Silver. I don't have the stamina today to go all-in; it's been three straight days of at home learning w/ my daughter (six years old) who has wrapped up each day at 12:15. A grueling 3-hour schedule of a handful of zoom meetings (that each last no more than 10 minutes) and two pages in her math workbook.

The one thing she has learned in the 1st three weeks is that she's now a fan of the Harry Potter movie franchise. Dad has to work.

[hairysasquatch]

Biden likens Trump to Fidel Castro in half-baked attempt to court Latinx vote by insulting their intelligence! Go, Joe! Basement Joe Bazinga!!!

[Hootiefish]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Don't get me started on Nate Silver. I don't have the stamina today to go all-in; it's been three straight days of at home learning w/ my daughter (six years old) who has wrapped up each day at 12:15. A grueling 3-hour schedule of a handful of zoom meetings (that each last no more than 10 minutes) and two pages in her math workbook.

The one thing she has learned in the 1st three weeks is that she's now a fan of the Harry Potter movie franchise. Dad has to work.

I like Silver's analysis. He was the only major prognosticator (that I saw) that gave Trump a better than zero chance to win in 2016 (29 in 100). His was also the only site that poo-pooed the idea of the "blue wall" and said that Clinton was in a worse position than Obama.

Also - that Harry Potter movie franchise was a life saver during quarantine. Something like seven movies, all two-and-a-half hours or so.

PS. Silver also makes Karl Rove's head explode, which is wonderful.

[rman112]

Nate Silver gives it a 68% chance that he actually is, in fact, Nate Silver.

[wood minis]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

You'll have to forgive me but I want to dive into what you said.

If you can be specific, I'd like to know which part of your life today, you feel Donald Trump bears even a fraction of responsibility. I don't want them all, but I do want one you think is most emblematic of his mismanagement.

I'll offer two. I have a teenager. Trump's rhetoric where he's quick to insult and also unable to take responsibility for anything is unhealthy for impressionable young people who are old enough to understand what they are hearing. It would be better to have those in positions of leadership that can be admired for the quality of their character.

The other is the recent confirmation by Woodward that Trump knew how deadly the virus was in the beginning but instead lied to the American people with his bogus hoax, magically disappearing nonsense. This approach is an insult to the intelligence of every American who would have been better served by straight talk.

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by lionsfan20

Let's set up a Zoom meeting!

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Could be fun. I'm still surprised there isn't an unofficial Blowout Discord.

Though we'd inevitably see someone change their avatar to some screenshot they took of another member during the Zoom chat.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by wood minis

I'll offer two. I have a teenager. Trump's rhetoric where he's quick to insult and also unable to take responsibility for anything is unhealthy for impressionable young people who are old enough to understand what they are hearing. It would be better to have those in positions of leadership that can be admired for the quality of their character.

The other is the recent confirmation by Woodward that Trump knew how deadly the virus was in the beginning but instead lied to the American people with his bogus hoax, magically disappearing nonsense. This approach is an insult to the intelligence of every American who would have been better served by straight talk.

It's interesting to me that in both your examples, you use Trump's words as the most damaging thing to your life during his presidency (and the life of your son). Words spoken by someone you do not know, have never met and most importantly words that have nothing to do with you.

This is likely not going to go over so well ... so my apologies to say this so bluntly, but if the words of Donald Trump are impacting the life of your teenage son, that's a reflection on you. It is not Trumps job to raise your son and if you are going to blame a complete stranger for speaking words you do not like which impact the life of your child; then you are going to be blaming a lot of people for a lot of things which are very likely not their fault.

Another poster in here (Charnick I think) had mentioned the same thing that I should be concerned my son and daughter will grow up where Trump is president and will see his character and emulate it because they are impressionable young kids. And my vote, should go to someone who they can look up to as a role model. It's an argument, but on the list of reasons to care about the President of the United States and their role in my household; how their words translate to my children is not on the top 10,000 list.

Your second example is a wish. Trump downplaying the virus in February had no impact on your life; other than how it makes you feel today. The truth of the matter is you really really want Trump to have worked some kind of miracle so the country is not where it is from a Virus perspective; but when you look around the world, no leader worked said miracle. Your current situation regarding jobs, school and everything else is almost 100% a product of your local government and 0% to do with Donald Trump. Mine is (why I live in CT, God only knows).

I think you know this; and I think your feelings for Trump place blame on him that does not belong.

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Could be fun. I'm still surprised there isn't an unofficial Blowout Discord.

Though we'd inevitably see someone change their avatar to some screenshot they took of another member during the Zoom chat.

Yeah, once things got into real world identities there'd be problems. Keep it anonymous and fun!