Patrick Mahomes Prices

[Hellcat]

Originally Posted by Delta5

It's crazy how Ohtani is way more collectible with only 1 ring than mahomes is with 3 rings. Personality also a thing, nobody hate on Ohtani. Can't say the same thing about kermit

Baseball is different titles don't count as much as basketball or football. Ohtani is already the greatest baseball player of all-time! He has the globe not just America on lock down! If you were a savy investor you would liquidate all your Kermits and funnel the cash into Ohtani alot of room still for his cards to run!

[tjforce]

Happy 30th bday to Mahomes.



Amazing what he's accomplished by this age.

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Different eras bub.

[tjforce]

I just f'ing love when people take the bait



Also: Championships, Pro Bowls, MVPs, and Super Bowl MVPs aren't going to vary across these eras.

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by tjforce

I just f'ing love when people take the bait



Also: Championships, Pro Bowls, MVPs, and Super Bowl MVPs aren't going to vary across these eras.

Enjoy it while it lasted, his peak is past him while the others are just starting

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by Hellcat

Baseball is different titles don't count as much as basketball or football. Ohtani is already the greatest baseball player of all-time! He has the globe not just America on lock down! If you were a savy investor you would liquidate all your Kermits and funnel the cash into Ohtani alot of room still for his cards to run!

No doubt, on top of that, outside of KC nobody really likes mahomes

[KardsC1]

8 days left, red power mahomes RC 22k without BP..sheesh, wonder what a PSA 9 one is worth

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by tjforce

2 games into the season, so small sample size but Mahomes is:

-4th in the league in QBR
-1st in the league in Expected Points Added
-2nd in Points Contributed

Coupled with the fact that team has only scored 38 points in 2 games, its says a few things about this play:

-He's doing almost all of the work himself: not only is he just the second QB since 1950 to lead his team in rushing yards by 2x in back to back games, but his receivers and Oline aren't giving him much help either. I compared him with a few of his AFC contemporaries through two games and this helps us paint a picture of how little help he's getting:

Drops:
Lamar: 0
Herbert: 0
Allen: 3
Mahomes: 5

YAC per receptions:
Lamar: 5.3
Herbert: 5.0
Allen: 5.0
Mahomes: 4.6

Pressure Rate:
Herbert: 8.2%
Allen: 8.5%
Lamar: 12.7%
Mahomes: 21.2% (alarming)

So not only is there no run game, but his pass catchers are dropping balls at a high rate, not getting much yardage once they do catch it, and the Oline is allowing a pressure rate 2.5x what Herbert and Allen are.


This would almost seem like a lost cause for this offense if not for 2 things:
-Rashee Rice and Xavier Worthy should really change things when they are back.

-The Chargers and Eagles are two of the best defenses in football.

So there's the silver lining. 0-2 sucks, but Mahomes is playing well, so I'm not going to panic until they've lost 4 of their 6 games. At that point, there would be a lot of worry since the margin or error would become so thin.


But just to show that I'm not putting it all on the rest of the team, the biggest critique I have of his play so far have been his very slow starts to the game. In both games he's had almost no production in the first quarter, and then gets it going after that. He'll need to find a way to manufacture offense to start the game, and then maybe things look different if the team is playing with the lead.

You know it's pathetic when Mahomes fans starts to care more about arbitrary stats rather than what I thought they used to care the most which is winning. When Mahomes stop winning they became EPA and YAC fans or QB scramble fans. Glorious to watch

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by Delta5

You know it's pathetic when Mahomes fans starts to care more about arbitrary stats rather than what I thought they used to care the most which is winning. When Mahomes stop winning they became EPA and YAC fans or QB scramble fans. Glorious to watch

Last year: Don't look at his stats, just look at wins-losses!!
This year: Don't look at wins-losses, just look at his stats!!

[daveyc1]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Happy 30th bday to Mahomes.



Amazing what he's accomplished by this age.

cant directly compare stats from different eras. false equivalency.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by Fenway55

Last year: Don't look at his stats, just look at wins-losses!!
This year: Don't look at wins-losses, just look at his stats!!

Right on both of those graphics:

Championships: 3
Super Bowl MVPs: 3

I could add playoff wins as well, which at 17 is the most of any QB in their 20s, and behind only Brady for most in their career.

What's great about Mahomes is that no matter how you spin it, he had the greatest 20's decade of any QB in history. Stats, Championships, ratings.... he has the best body of work. Who knows what his 30s will bring: Brady didn't win a championship until 37 and he wound up with the greatest second half of a career in history.

As for his play this season: Nobody around here is happy he's 0-2, despite playing some pretty solid ball. The fact that he has to go into playoff mode and run for 60 yards a game this early isn't a good sign.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by KardsC1

8 days left, red power mahomes RC 22k without BP..sheesh, wonder what a PSA 9 one is worth

Ohh... what platform?

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Right on both of those graphics:

Championships: 3
Super Bowl MVPs: 3

I could add playoff wins as well, which at 17 is the most of any QB in their 20s, and behind only Brady for most :Din their career.

What's great about Mahomes is that no matter how you spin it, he had the greatest 20's decade of any QB in history. Stats, Championships, ratings.... he has the best body of work. Who knows what his 30s will bring: Brady didn't win a championship until 37 and he wound up with the greatest second half of a career in history.

As for his play this season: Nobody around here is happy he's 0-2, despite playing some pretty solid ball. The fact that he has to go into playoff mode and run for 60 yards a game this early isn't a good sign.

His style of play doesn’t age well as a player progresses into their 30s. If he was a classic pocket passer like Brady then I’d be shaking in my boots. But he iiiiisn’t.

[daveyc1]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

His style of play doesn’t age well as a player progresses into their 30s. If he was a classic pocket passer like Brady then I’d be shaking in my boots. But he iiiiisn’t.

this.

I have been saying this for a few years now, that Mahomes needs to tighten up his mechanics to become better in the pocket as he ages.

they say the arm is the last thing to go. the first is the legs/knees.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

His style of play doesn’t age well as a player progresses into their 30s. If he was a classic pocket passer like Brady then I’d be shaking in my boots. But he iiiiisn’t.

Originally Posted by daveyc1

this.

I have been saying this for a few years now, that Mahomes needs to tighten up his mechanics to become better in the pocket as he ages.

they say the arm is the last thing to go. the first is the legs/knees.

Glad you guys are so concerned. I'm sure you got on the Happy 30th Bday video that Adidas made.

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Glad you guys are so concerned. I'm sure you got on the Happy 30th Bday video that Adidas made.

Nobody is happier that he’s in his 30s than me. Look at similar styled guys who petered out in their early to mid 30s: scam newton was finished at 32. Russ, mcnabb, Elway would have but got rescued by an epic run game led by Terrell Davis. Young was saved by sporadic playing time in his 20s. Mahomes has played a lot of games before hitting 30. There’s a lot of wear and tear that will show itself in 3-4 years. His agility and ability to deliver torque on those off platform throws will have been degraded. Best case scenario for him is to get an all time running game like John Elway. Good luck with that!!!!!

[daveyc1]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Glad you guys are so concerned. I'm sure you got on the Happy 30th Bday video that Adidas made.

do you disagree?

do you think with the style of football he plays that Patrick will have a better second half to his career than the first half? do you think his game will age well?

[daveyc1]

all I can think of when I see Patrick running so much this season are flashbacks to 01 when Mo Lewis hit Bledsoe while he was running out of bounds.

it only takes one linebacker looking to make a name for himself...

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

His style of play doesn’t age well as a player progresses into their 30s. If he was a classic pocket passer like Brady then I’d be shaking in my boots. But he iiiiisn’t.

Mahomes has 2 major things working against him:

1) The legs really are the first thing to go. He is still a great scrambler, but it just won't be the same at 37

2) He has played his entire career with the best pass-catching TE in history. Well that TE is nowhere near the player he used to be and, by an amazing coincidence, Mahomes' numbers have dipped.

We don't know what the future holds. Maybe KC will draft the next Moss or Gronk and reinvigorate Mahomes' career. Or maybe not. But I think even Chiefs fans agree they need to do something to improve the offense.

[BostonNut]

Originally Posted by Fenway55

But I think even Chiefs fans agree they need to do something to improve the offense.

Nah, Free4 and the other guy will be all it takes to run the table.

[notfast]

Originally Posted by Fenway55

Last year: Don't look at his stats, just look at wins-losses!!
This year: Don't look at wins-losses, just look at his stats!!

Lamar vs Allen MVP race last year sounded like this.

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by Fenway55

Last year: Don't look at his stats, just look at wins-losses!!
This year: Don't look at wins-losses, just look at his stats!!

Or you could look at the statheads figure shown earlier and see that Patty Cakes is the best at both stats & winning? Or are we going to argue about what number is higher or lower.

We do live in a very confused society.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by daveyc1

do you disagree?

do you think with the style of football he plays that Patrick will have a better second half to his career than the first half? do you think his game will age well?

When Mahomes came into the league he was thought to have the biggest arm and had a gunslinger mentality. He played that style from 2018-2022 while they had Tyreek and Mahomes torched teams every week. After the AFCG loss to Cincy, Mahomes not only lost Tyreek but he was also forced to become a "take what the defense gives you" QB due to defenses taking away the deep ball and KC not having any deep threats. Not an easy task for most QBs to accomplish in 1 offseason but what did Mahomes do? He won SB MVP the next two years and made the SB 3 years in a row.

I think Mahomes is a chameleon at QB who can change and shift with whatever he needs to do. I also think he is also open to switching up the game plan based on team needs. He has arm talent, high IQ, and a willingness to change/adapt. No reason to think hitting his 30s will be any issue for him.

[dantheman514]

There is 2024 Prizm true gold Mahomes on the Bay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/17740766202...=10001&mkevt=1

[codered]

Originally Posted by daveyc1

all I can think of when I see Patrick running so much this season are flashbacks to 01 when Mo Lewis hit Bledsoe while he was running out of bounds.

it only takes one linebacker looking to make a name for himself...

I think this is more dangerously close to happening than people want to admit. The faking like he’s going out of bounds or trucking defenders as the are slowing down to not get a flag as he’s heading towards to sideline has put a target on his back. I feel like it’s not a matter of if but when at this point.

I feel like Mahomes scrambling on broken plays is more Brett Favre style than guys like Wilson, Newton or Jackson. Other than this year he runs to extend plays and make those backyard/broken play passes (and which admittedly he’s one of if not the best ever at). I don’t see this affecting him as a passer as much as some are thinking. I do think he’s gonna start getting hit a lot more though as he tries to extend plays and can’t escape the rush.