2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

Soon, the only people left who seek to be cops will be like the Droogs in Clockwork Orange.

Edit: also, suicide by cop was and is a thing.

Great movie.

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

By Election?

Magically go away like a miracle?

(I'm just looking for some consistency here.)

I do not know. I cannot tell the future like our President can.

The things Trump stated in the past, pertained to the future (even when he knew about the dangers in his, I believe, January intel briefings).

"It's 15, it'll be zero soon."

"Like a miracle...."

"Easter...."

"Summer heat will kill the virus..."

He probably even stated more but I cannot remember every lie he spews.

Trump even stated that he will have the vaccine out late October. Maybe he and his crush, Ivanka, can shoot the vaccine up first to show us how safe it will be.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by budd2222

My niece is a nurse in the local hospital she gets tested every week. What do you do work in the office, sling a mop. She just took care of a 36 y/o man that has both heart and lung damage and will never be able to work again. Tough news for a young man with a family. Deaths may be down but we are not out of the woods yet. It could be a red state blue state or just a hospital policy for your testing.

Budd what happened? You said something pretty crazy yesterday about the forest fires in CA being Trump's fault and never backed it up.

Checking today, did you want to back that up or are you good?

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Budd what happened? You said something pretty crazy yesterday about the forest fires in CA being Trump's fault and never backed it up.

Checking today, did you want to back that up or are you good?

I wish your passion would shine through when others on your side is asked a question and not respond.

[wood minis]

Dear Mr. President,

Could you un-commute Roger Stone's sentence for suggesting you should declare martial law if you lose the election? Or at least let us all know that isn't what you have in mind?

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

I wish your passion would shine through when others on your side is asked a question and not respond.

Sure, I've got a little time.

AMA.

[xbignick]

It won't happen but this would be amazing.

[budd2222]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Budd what happened? You said something pretty crazy yesterday about the forest fires in CA being Trump's fault and never backed it up.

Checking today, did you want to back that up or are you good?

I never said it was his fault. What I said was he blamed the state and local governments for lack of doing forest control and yet a large part of the land on fire is Federal land. I didn't blame Trump for the fires I just suggested to Trump don't throw stones in a glass house. Did the states do enough for fire prevention? I don't know I'm not an expert. Are you. Did the Feds under Trump do enough for fire prevention, again I don't know. Do you? Before Trump puts all the blame on someone have all the facts and be able to prove it.

[Jgil316]

If the virus isn't a big deal:

Why does the Trump campaign have people sign waivers prior to attending a rally?
Why doesn't the President go down to the crowd and shake the hands of he devout followers?

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by budd2222

I never said it was his fault. What I said was he blamed the state and local governments for lack of doing forest control and yet a large part of the land on fire is Federal land. I didn't blame Trump for the fires I just suggested to Trump don't throw stones in a glass house. Did the states do enough for fire prevention? I don't know I'm not an expert. Are you. Did the Feds under Trump do enough for fire prevention, again I don't know. Do you? Before Trump puts all the blame on someone have all the facts and be able to prove it.

Well here are a few good ones Budd.

-- The Good Neighbor Authority allows State governments to act on Federally owned Land to assist in conservation efforts (among other things). So even though the land is Federally owned, the state of California has autonomy to tend it it's forests as it pleases.

-- September of 2016, Jerry Brown vetoed SB 1463, a bill in the California legislature which would have required the California Public Utilities Commission to prioritize areas at increased risk from overhead wires in their management of wildfires.

For many of these kinds of facts, the Little Hoover Commission has a terrific report that highlights all of the mismanagement from the state of California over the years and what needs to be done in order to tackle the issue (https://lhc.ca.gov/report/fire-mount...-sierra-nevada)

Hint, nowhere in the entire report does it mention the Federal Government (other than providing funding).

[gopherfan]

Originally Posted by wood minis

That would be correct, because I'm in New York.

Jo Jorgensen has never been accused of rape. And I'm sure her platform is better than Trump's. And Biden doesn't have a platform.

[AwesomeBrian]

Originally Posted by xbignick

It won't happen but this would be amazing.

Would be amazing...

Rogan: "Pres. Trump, what will you do with the Virus?"
Trump: "Open everything up!"
Rogan: "Great idea!"

Rogan: "Mr. Biden, what will you do with the Virus?"
Biden: "Shut everything down!"
Rogan: "Great idea!"

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

If the virus isn't a big deal:

Why does the Trump campaign have people sign waivers prior to attending a rally?
Why doesn't the President go down to the crowd and shake the hands of he devout followers?

I don't think people are saying the virus isn't a big deal, it's the actions that have been made. You'd think millions of Americans have died from this virus with everything going on. Instead of the 12,000 that have died from the virus (with the other 180,000+ dying with/from the virus).

[KhalDrogo]

Hospitals are reimbursed more for services on anyone with Covid as a diagnosis.

[budd2222]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Well here are a few good ones Budd.

-- The Good Neighbor Authority allows State governments to act on Federally owned Land to assist in conservation efforts (among other things). So even though the land is Federally owned, the state of California has autonomy to tend it it's forests as it pleases.

-- September of 2016, Jerry Brown vetoed SB 1463, a bill in the California legislature which would have required the California Public Utilities Commission to prioritize areas at increased risk from overhead wires in their management of wildfires.

For many of these kinds of facts, the Little Hoover Commission has a terrific report that highlights all of the mismanagement from the state of California over the years and what needs to be done in order to tackle the issue (https://lhc.ca.gov/report/fire-mount...-sierra-nevada)

Hint, nowhere in the entire report does it mention the Federal Government (other than providing funding).

And how did i accuse Trump of starting the fires? I love how your side has learned from Trump. Get caught not telling the truth, skip over it and attack and give worthless information to divert divert divert,

[gopherfan]

Originally Posted by Onions

This is why Lady Clinton told Biden to never concede, if they need more votes, they will find them. Zuck seems to be willing to help and make sure everyone is comfortable with however much time it will take them to do it.

When it comes to election interference, Russia has nothing on the democrat party.

Maybe Zuckerberg should just do a Facebook poll. Whoever wins gets to be POTUS. He can suspend any conservative just before this poll goes live. Seems fair.

[Jgil316]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

I don't think people are saying the virus isn't a big deal, it's the actions that have been made. You'd think millions of Americans have died from this virus with everything going on. Instead of the 12,000 that have died from the virus (with the other 180,000+ dying with/from the virus).

Why try and make that distinction, it is false and disingenuous - and frankly, just plain wrong.

Would the 180,000+ in the US (and more around the world) STILL be alive, right now - without Covid here?

[discostu]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Well here are a few good ones Budd.

-- The Good Neighbor Authority allows State governments to act on Federally owned Land to assist in conservation efforts (among other things). So even though the land is Federally owned, the state of California has autonomy to tend it it's forests as it pleases.

-- September of 2016, Jerry Brown vetoed SB 1463, a bill in the California legislature which would have required the California Public Utilities Commission to prioritize areas at increased risk from overhead wires in their management of wildfires.

For many of these kinds of facts, the Little Hoover Commission has a terrific report that highlights all of the mismanagement from the state of California over the years and what needs to be done in order to tackle the issue (https://lhc.ca.gov/report/fire-mount...-sierra-nevada)

Hint, nowhere in the entire report does it mention the Federal Government (other than providing funding).

Did you read the report?

Hint, I'm assuming you did not. Perhaps you just read the overview.

[wood minis]

Originally Posted by gopherfan

Jo Jorgensen has never been accused of rape. And I'm sure her platform is better than Trump's. And Biden doesn't have a platform.

I have no problem with Jo Jorgensen. But what does voting for her accomplish?

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by wood minis

I have no problem with Jo Jorgensen. But what does voting for her accomplish?

1. Morally clear conscience.

2. A vote that can actually make a difference in our winner-takes-all state systems by contributing to the 5% threshold for federal election funding for a Third Party in 2024.

3. Sending a message that there are Americans who refuse to use their God-given, blood-soaked right to vote on "the lesser evil."

4. The ability to talk with Americans across the political spectrum for the next four years without immediately turning them off because you voted for "the other guy."

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

Why try and make that distinction, it is false and disingenuous - and frankly, just plain wrong.

Would the 180,000+ in the US (and more around the world) STILL be alive, right now - without Covid here?

How is it wrong?

At least half of them, would have probably died anyways. The average length of time someone spends in the nursing home is a year.

https://www.geripal.org/2010/08/leng...es-at-end.html

Plus, think about everyone who has died as a result of the lockdowns. The overdoses, the suicides, etc. We are willing to lockdown the country to extend grandma living 6 more months, but we're okay when a 23 year old blows his head off because he lost everything?

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

Why try and make that distinction, it is false and disingenuous - and frankly, just plain wrong.

Would the 180,000+ in the US (and more around the world) STILL be alive, right now - without Covid here?

With all of the tagging of covid due to the monetary kick backs for covid I don't think it's unfair to say that a lot of those people wouldn't be here regardless of covid. I remember our health director saying even someone who died from a stroke if they had covid then that was the reason they died. I don't think that is a fair correlation. Covid didn't kill them the stroke did.

[Jgil316]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

With all of the tagging of covid due to the monetary kick backs for covid I don't think it's unfair to say that a lot of those people wouldn't be here regardless of covid. I remember our health director saying even someone who died from a stroke if they had covid then that was the reason they died. I don't think that is a fair correlation. Covid didn't kill them the stroke did.

Can you say that they wouldn't have had the stoke and died - without having covid?

The answer is NO - why is it SO difficult for anyone to just step back and accept this without parroting what the Trump campaign network wants to spin this as??


So - let me ask you this - since my father had stage 4 prostate cancer but died due to sepsis - I shouldn't say he died due to cancer?

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

Can you say that they wouldn't have had the stoke and died - without having covid?

The answer is NO - why is it SO difficult for anyone to just step back and accept this without parroting what the Trump campaign network wants to spin this as??


So - let me ask you this - since my father had stage 4 prostate cancer but died due to sepsis - I shouldn't say he died due to cancer?

So you are trying to say that covid caused the stroke?? I'm not understanding what you are trying to prove, I'm not talking about Trump at this point.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

Can you say that they wouldn't have had the stoke and died - without having covid?

The answer is NO - why is it SO difficult for anyone to just step back and accept this without parroting what the Trump campaign network wants to spin this as??


So - let me ask you this - since my father had stage 4 prostate cancer but died due to sepsis - I shouldn't say he died due to cancer?

Colleague of mine told me of a friend whose relative hit her head and died.. ruled as covid since she had covid. I thought this was widely known and accepted that non covid deaths were being attributed to covid so long as the deceased was covid positive.