Topps Project 2020 is the worst product since 1991 Fleer

[Pacmeyer]

Originally Posted by Shinjoy

Oh, I was giving Blake the benefit of the doubt, and it had looked dirty/messy in a hand-painted way in the pictures that I had seen. A faux hand-painted bag is pretty bad.

Anything hand embellished by these artists goes for much higher. Ermsy companion card for example is 300 euro.

[AirplaneDon]

Originally Posted by byronscott4ever

Wasn’t there a Topps tweet about using both Blake Ichiro versions or did I misread?

No, everyone misunderstood it. Topps was saying they couldn't decide so they both Liked and Retweeted to vote for both. They weren't saying they were printing both.

[ThoseBackPages]

The Fanny

a one-night only for the viewers OF THE STREAM THAT NIGHT Fanny Pack promotion

$199. you get a Fanny Pack featuring the Living Canvas art (if you dont watch the stream, you dont know what that means) thats filled with the art of Blake, including multiple autos and a shot at one of his P2020 Jackie

how many of you that are complaining about "assigned sales value" were there watching the stream?

i get it, you want your money and you want more money.

im guessing some of you got caught up in the hype. that does happen to all of us sometimes for sure.

someone who doesnt even like Blake mentioned earlier here, some of you are rushing to send artists $100 for one companion card on regular card stock, that isnt even signed. Why is that? to support the artist, or to try to sell it for more money?

as someone that refuses to spend over $30 on any single P2020 card, i get it, things can be costly. i also understand things as a card collector. the thing is, these artists are not from the card world. id venture to say that $100 is not a lot of money to most of the non-card people that call themselves fans of these P2020 artists.

btw, there were not over 400 people watching the stream that night. i dont remember exactly how many, but it was probably around 100 people. with there being over 400 fannys ordered, a new supplier had to be found that could fill the order, which lead to the delay in having them shipped to buyers

[Silas Barnaby]

Has Funko Cook shown Friday's cards yet?

[cp312]

Despite tracking not having updated since June 29, my Ichiro Ermsy auto finally arrived:

[daeve]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

The Fanny

a one-night only for the viewers OF THE STREAM THAT NIGHT Fanny Pack promotion

$199. you get a Fanny Pack featuring the Living Canvas art (if you dont watch the stream, you dont know what that means) thats filled with the art of Blake, including multiple autos and a shot at one of his P2020 Jackie

how many of you that are complaining about "assigned sales value" were there watching the stream?

i get it, you want your money and you want more money.

im guessing some of you got caught up in the hype. that does happen to all of us sometimes for sure.

someone who doesnt even like Blake mentioned earlier here, some of you are rushing to send artists $100 for one companion card on regular card stock, that isnt even signed. Why is that? to support the artist, or to try to sell it for more money?

as someone that refuses to spend over $30 on any single P2020 card, i get it, things can be costly. i also understand things as a card collector. the thing is, these artists are not from the card world. id venture to say that $100 is not a lot of money to most of the non-card people that call themselves fans of these P2020 artists.

btw, there were not over 400 people watching the stream that night. i dont remember exactly how many, but it was probably around 100 people. with there being over 400 fannys ordered, a new supplier had to be found that could fill the order, which lead to the delay in having them shipped to buyers

[cubsfan2154]

How many Ermsy Companion cards are there? 2 or 5?

[dOubleO]

FYI, we might be getting all 4 cards today

[dOubleO]

Originally Posted by cubsfan2154

How many Ermsy Companion cards are there? 2 or 5?

2. Started with TW

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by dOubleO

FYI, we might be getting all 4 cards today

that makes sense, as they are a day behind

[skiumah]

Originally Posted by cubsfan2154

How many Ermsy Companion cards are there? 2 or 5?

2 released thus far (Williams, Gibson). Believe I read that he is eventually releasing companions for Trout, Ichiro, Gooden but not sure on timing

[Silas Barnaby]

Jamieson has definitely done the best job of creating a little community where people watch him every night and think of him almost like a personal friend.

And it is important to remember that this is all about art, not looking at eBay prices and print runs.

[AirplaneDon]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

someone who doesnt even like Blake mentioned earlier here, some of you are rushing to send artists $100 for one companion card on regular card stock, that isnt even signed. Why is that? to support the artist, or to try to sell it for more money?

as someone that refuses to spend over $30 on any single P2020 card, i get it, things can be costly. i also understand things as a card collector. the thing is, these artists are not from the card world. id venture to say that $100 is not a lot of money to most of the non-card people that call themselves fans of these P2020 artists.

I just wanted to quote this bit again, and then add my emphasis. This is so true, at least IMO. I just can't see the long term buyers for artist autos being in the card world. Now that could be my ignorance of card collectors, but I know my value of the artist auto comes solely from an artist signing his work, which is something I started to value when following and collecting art. I also have bought some for the sake of support because I want some of these artists to gain some more traction or funds to so they grow (selfishly for my consumption and pieces I may own of theirs already). I really don't know where the market will be for artist autos down the line, but I imagine most would resell at a loss given the quantities out there and if the base card is not valuable already.

[ThoseBackPages]

Thank You Don for your contribution. i appreciate someone whos coming from the "other side" adding their opinions to the thread

sidenote: im not calling anyone out, just stating things how i see it

[AirplaneDon]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

Thank You Don for your contribution. i appreciate someone whos coming from the "other side" adding their opinions to the thread

sidenote: im not calling anyone out, just stating things how i see it

Totally get it, and I agree. I think my earlier comment comes across a bit snarky when I was asking if people are buying artist autos to flip, but it's genuine. I just don't think there is a market for most of them unless the base card it is on is valuable. I think Taylor's LE will help, and Ermsy's popularity within the set and in the art world will help as well. But I'm really struggling to see it for most of the others.

[samcam]

If you could predict the future, fanny was overpriced.

You can't though. Imagine two months of growth on Jackie Blake at the pace it was growing at the time.

It almost sounds like a discord in here: 'Should I buy this card will I be able to flip it for double tomorrow?' or 'I bought seven of these autos to flip and now they aren't worth anything, I hate Blake for being so greedy.'

[AirplaneDon]

Originally Posted by samcam

If you could predict the future, fanny was overpriced.

You can't though. Imagine two months of growth on Jackie Blake at the pace it was growing at the time.

It almost sounds like a discord in here: 'Should I buy this card will I be able to flip it for double tomorrow?' or 'I bought seven of these autos to flip and now they aren't worth anything, I hate Blake for being so greedy.'

I mean, I would say if the Fanny was hand "splattered" $199 is worth it (even if not for me personally). If it's a print on fabric, hard pass (though I don't value the cards inside in the same manner).

[Ra3]

Originally Posted by Silas Barnaby

Jamieson has definitely done the best job of creating a little community where people watch him every night and think of him almost like a personal friend.

And it is important to remember that this is all about art, not looking at eBay prices and print runs.

I think I’ve been pretty consistent about saying I feel there should be a balance for the artists between taking advantage of the immediate commercial opportunities presented by project2020 and taking advantage of the collectors/buyers in the card community. Once again, I am of the opinion that this is an example of the latter.

I haven’t purchased anything by Jamieson, primarily because of my personal taste and opinion on his relative talent and the fact that I believe I can recognize someone whose major talent is more marketing than artistic. Seeing this post by Blake and thinking about his pumping that week still seriously irritates me on behalf of those of you who were taken advantage of; as I mentioned before: even if you are all more graceful about it than I am.

I think a lot of you are holding back because you know there are other artists on here and reading these posts. Most of those artists, in my opinion, have done an admirable job of that balance I mentioned above. Blake has not, and should be called out for it.

[hammertime]

It's obvious from the way eBay gets flooded with listings whenever a new companion or auto ships that a lot of people are buying them to flip. Just like the base cards I think that will die down once people realize there's no (reliable) money to be made.

[samcam]

That's the other side of it too, the actual fanny. If you would never wear one, why the hell would you buy one?

I agree hand splattered would be better though. I thought the signed and numbered aspect was cool for someone into Blake's art.

Say the project blows up, bigger than could be imagined. Blake goes global and they write the book and the chapter on fanny mania is written. The documentary shows the livestream. Gary Vee discloses that he owns 100 Fannies. What happens?

[AirplaneDon]

Originally Posted by hammertime

It's obvious from the way eBay gets flooded with listings whenever a new companion or auto ships that a lot of people are buying them to flip. Just like the base cards I think that will die down once people realize there's no (reliable) money to be made.

I agree in general for sure, but my question was more specifically for the people in here. I view most people as collectors versus flippers in here, and perhaps that's a poor assumption on my part and that's why I'm curious.

[samcam]

Originally Posted by Ra3

I think I’ve been pretty consistent about saying I feel there should be a balance for the artists between taking advantage of the immediate commercial opportunities presented by project2020 and taking advantage of the collectors/buyers in the card community. Once again, I am of the opinion that this is an example of the latter.

I haven’t purchased anything by Jamieson, primarily because of my personal taste and opinion on his relative talent and the fact that I believe I can recognize someone whose major talent is more marketing than artistic. Seeing this post by Blake and thinking about his pumping that week still seriously irritates me on behalf of those of you who were taken advantage of; as I mentioned before: even if you are all more graceful about it than I am.

I don't see how you could make that claim when Blake was having fun and had a spur of the moment idea and everyone on the board here was excited as could be.

An artist for P2020 shouldn't have pumped the project? Imagine how boring this would be if every artist were Don C.

Sounds like you just don't like Blake and that is totally fine, but no one was taken advantage of by insidious action.

[AirplaneDon]

Whoa whoa whoa....let's not go dragging valuable names through the mud.

[samcam]

All respect to Don, he just came late to the pumping party

[samcam]

And if it makes you feel any better Dons is the second companion I have my hands on LOL...