Patrick Mahomes Prices

[kipgen]

Originally Posted by tjforce

The thing to keep in mind about these cards is that the Optic is a parallel of base and the Prizm 269 and XRC are the base.

There are 4,745 Optic Base PSA 10s. That helps dilute the overall Optic market. Comparing the overall PSA 10 population for each card and it's parallels:

Select XRC: 242
Prizm 269: 1,628
Optic RR: 7,894

Even if you excluded the Base, there are more Optic PSA 10 parallels than the entire Prizm run (3,149).


I think all 3 of these cards are great, but they just printed too many of them to keep up with the other 2 IMO.

I get the whole prizm being the iconic card thing but a psa 10 copy for both the xrc and the prizm are about the same right now and I'd much rather have the xrc, it's a way better looking card

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by CorndogWasp

The Beckett slab really is ugly lol, two different hues of “gold” for the labels. My god that thing is objectify ugly. Color theory is real.

Beckett Labels > PSA labels

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by kipgen

I get the whole prizm being the iconic card thing but a psa 10 copy for both the xrc and the prizm are about the same right now and I'd much rather have the xrc, it's a way better looking card

Same here.... I've actually owned an XRC and just gave it up over the past few months and only moved it because I had to. I've never owned a Prizm 269..... base, that is.

[CorndogWasp]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

Beckett Labels > PSA labels

You brought up PSA.

[boxbuster7]

you brought up beckett

[CorndogWasp]

Yeah I was calling out it’s awful look that makes even a hack artist weep.

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Beckett labels are fine but I don't like the way the inner sleeve obscures the card somewhat

[Delta5]

Mahomes ranked 4th as best QB entering 2025. Even NFL agrees he's not the best no more..

[Delta5]

I'd say even 4th best is generous.

Remember, this is who's the best QB ENTERING 2025 season. There's no talk about career so past accolades wont carry over

Chiefs 2024 Stats

PPG 15TH
Total YPG 16TH
YDS/PLAY 23TH
REDZONE TD T-22TH
20+ YDS PLAY 27TH

strip the stats from the name and nobody on their right mind would think the QB anchoring those offense is top 10

[jjrpilot]

Originally Posted by tjforce

I've never owned a Prizm 269..... base, that is.

Even the 269 is has diff camps per se. The best 269 would be a PSA 10 with no dimple but there are a number of them with dimples. That being said, I'd rather own a PSA 9 dimple free than a PSA 10 with a dimple. It's kind of mind blowing that PSA graded a number of dimpled 269's with dimples.

[boxbuster7]

not the biggest 269 fan either...the dimple makes it even confusing and the fact that chandarick west has a quote on the back

[slyguy]

Originally Posted by kipgen

Beckett labels are fine but I don't like the way the inner sleeve obscures the card somewhat

You'd rather have the card bouncing around like a SGC or PSA slab?

...I don't really care for the Prizm or the XRC Mahomes RCs. They don't look good to me. The Optic holo does. Select does.
I will stick with the 'cheap stuff' Select, Panini, Optic base and parallels, Donruss and parallels, Contenders, Playoff etc.
I don't love the R&S or the Crown, but as long as it's pro jersey RC Mahomes, that's ok in my book. I'll keep stacking them.

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by tjforce

You can see that it varies from sale to sale, but yes, pretty flat overall.

That being said, there was room for profit on all of these if you sold in Dec/Jan.

My guess is that prices climb a bit between now and the end of training camp, but after fees and all it seems to hard to make a ton of profit off of.

Very true, everyone's buy/sell price is different. Wouldn't be surprised if some made $ during the "flat" period too (buying off-eBay and selling on/off-eBay).

And there still might be room for profit in the near future as you're getting at (training camp, regular season bumps, playoff bumps, championship/MVP award possibilities, etc).

These days, in order to consistently make money off cards, one needs to be open to buying/selling off-eBay. Minimize cost/fees.

[slyguy]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

...These days, in order to consistently make money off cards, one needs to be open to buying/selling off-eBay. Minimize cost/fees.

Yeah, or you can just have a real job... and buy buying on/off ebay as a hobby

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by slyguy

You'd rather have the card bouncing around like a SGC or PSA slab?

...I don't really care for the Prizm or the XRC Mahomes RCs. They don't look good to me. The Optic holo does. Select does.
I will stick with the 'cheap stuff' Select, Panini, Optic base and parallels, Donruss and parallels, Contenders, Playoff etc.
I don't love the R&S or the Crown, but as long as it's pro jersey RC Mahomes, that's ok in my book. I'll keep stacking them.

I'm the opposite. I think both R&S and Crown look awesome with the Chiefs uniform.

[slyguy]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

I'm the opposite. I think both R&S and Crown look awesome with the Chiefs uniform.

Yeah, they're not bad... I have quite a few of each.

I can't figure R&S out: is it digital art? A photo that's just over-saturated and over-contrasted with a photo tool?
Probably same for Crown Royale and Playoff RCs of his... maybe Panini 104 too... digitally over-edited photo? Just the way Panini did most cards? Not sure.
They just don't look like real photos like Donruss, Optic, Select, etc.
But at least it's not a cheesy cartoon like the new set NFL inserts, lol.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by slyguy

Yeah, or you can just have a real job... and buy buying on/off ebay as a hobby

S Tier: Having a real job. Buying and selling cards. Spending even more money on cards.

[weeds73]

Originally Posted by tjforce

The thing to keep in mind about these cards is that the Optic is a parallel of base and the Prizm 269 and XRC are the base.

There are 4,745 Optic Base PSA 10s. That helps dilute the overall Optic market. Comparing the overall PSA 10 population for each card and it's parallels:

Select XRC: 242
Prizm 269: 1,628
Optic RR: 7,894

Even if you excluded the Base, there are more Optic PSA 10 parallels than the entire Prizm run (3,149).


I think all 3 of these cards are great, but they just printed too many of them to keep up with the other 2 IMO.

I completely get your point, and you may very well be right in the long-term , but it seems the pricing data is saying otherwise on the holo (at least right now…). I have all of these (multiple copies), but my favorite of the three is the XRC and believe it has the most long-term upside. But, the point you are making above with the significant delta in print run is one of the very reasons why I believe the optic image will end up being his most iconic rookie card image (like Griffey upper deck or Tom Brady Bowman). This is exacerbated by the fact that the base Donruss shares the same image . I just feel that Donruss Optic is the equivalent of topps chrome for the Panini era. You have base Donruss (ie, Topps) and then you have Donruss optic (ie Topps Chrome) with the Holo parallel (i.e. Topps chrome refractor). That familiarity gives it longevity. It is also more accessible price-wise right now. I could be completely wrong, but that is my take.

Frankly, I’m not looking to buy any more of these cards anymore, as I am only focused on low serial number and low pop Case hits these days for Mahomes


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[weeds73]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

I'm the opposite. I think both R&S and Crown look awesome with the Chiefs uniform.

I actually think they look good as well. But, can we all agree that the Elite draft picks image is hands-down, the worst image from his rookie year?




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[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by weeds73

I actually think they look good as well. But, can we all agree that the Elite draft picks image is hands-down, the worst image from his rookie year?




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Is he about to punt or drop kick the football?

[weeds73]

Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

Is he about to punt or drop kick the football?

I’m pretty sure he trying to hold in a sh*t…


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[CorndogWasp]

Will like a 2023 “case hit” of Mahomes have long term value? What about the 2028 Case hits? They keep making these every year. Are some years gonna be better than others?
I think rookie cards are where it’s at long term.

[weeds73]

Originally Posted by CorndogWasp

Will like a 2023 “case hit” of Mahomes have long term value? What about the 2028 Case hits? They keep making these every year. Are some years gonna be better than others?
I think rookie cards are where it’s at long term.

Nobody will argue that rookie cards will always be in demand, but not sure that there will be as much price appreciation in the high print, base rookies.

However, people love great-looking SSP inserts regardless of year. Plus, they are more fun to collect.


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[Delta5]

Originally Posted by CorndogWasp

Will like a 2023 “case hit” of Mahomes have long term value? What about the 2028 Case hits? They keep making these every year. Are some years gonna be better than others?
I think rookie cards are where it’s at long term.

This is the last year of those so Called "case hits". Next year toops took over and their case hit are mostly junk

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by weeds73

Nobody will argue that rookie cards will always be in demand, but not sure that there will be as much price appreciation in the high print, base rookies.

However, people love great-looking SSP inserts regardless of year. Plus, they are more fun to collect.


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The rookie market is more fleshed out and set that the SSP market.

I can't imagine that there's some overlooked rookie year card that is suddenly going to be way more popular in 5-10 years, but there will likely more some SSP that will be.

That being said, the majority of SSPs will fade in popularity over time (way too many Kabooms, Downtowns etc), and some will just never get their due. So rookies and no brainers like Prizm Golds and 1/1s are the safer bets.