2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[AwesomeBrian]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I like Joe Hiden. Basement Joe is OK ... Sleepy Joe not so good.

But no, the point of traveling across the country to give a speech is not only for the soundbites, otherwise a candidate would make 10 speeches a day in different towns. The point is also to drive up enthusiasm, get the town talking about the appearance, be part of the movement / event by showing up, making a day of it etc. Same reason you go to the football game vs. watching it on TV.

So it's sad to see the man never answer questions, never speak to other people; only to an empty room w/ a teleprompter. And it will be difficult for many to vote for such a man.

Joe really doesn't need to talk... his opponent is running his campaign for him every time he has a mic in front of his face.

[Hootiefish]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I like Joe Hiden. Basement Joe is OK ... Sleepy Joe not so good.

But no, the point of traveling across the country to give a speech is not only for the soundbites, otherwise a candidate would make 10 speeches a day in different towns. The point is also to drive up enthusiasm, get the town talking about the appearance, be part of the movement / event by showing up, making a day of it etc. Same reason you go to the football game vs. watching it on TV.

So it's sad to see the man never answer questions, never speak to other people; only to an empty room w/ a teleprompter. And it will be difficult for many to vote for such a man.

But we are in the middle of a pandemic. Those aren't options.

Well, they are options, but only for those that don't give a sh!t about the health of their constituents. Poor Herman Cain.

Biden knows he doesn't need to drive up enthusiasm. The enthusiasm is for voting Trump out. I'd be the first to admit I'm voting against Trump, not for Biden. The less Biden does to endanger his chances, the better. If he wants to go take a nap for the next month-or-so, I'm all for it.

In the meantime, Trump will continue to do and say stupid things, thus driving up the election enthusiasm for those of us who hate him.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by AwesomeBrian

Joe really doesn't need to talk... his opponent is running his campaign for him every time he has a mic in front of his face.

It's a strategy.

But it's the wrong strategy IMHO. You have got to get people to come out and vote for you when you have an election w/ 130 million votes. "I'm not him" didn't work in 2016, and I think it will be even less effective in 2020.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Hootiefish

But we are in the middle of a pandemic. Those aren't options.

Well, they are options, but only for those that don't give a sh!t about the health of their constituents. Poor Herman Cain.

Biden knows he doesn't need to drive up enthusiasm. The enthusiasm is for voting Trump out. I'd be the first to admit I'm voting against Trump, not for Biden. The less Biden does to endanger his chances, the better. If he wants to go take a nap for the next month-or-so, I'm all for it.

In the meantime, Trump will continue to do and say stupid things, thus driving up the election enthusiasm for those of us who hate him.

"Biden knows he doesn't need to drive up enthusiams" is going to be the sword his campaign falls on. It's just not correct.

Trump says stupid things daily. It has not and will not change the people who will come out in a hurricane and vote for him.

No one is standing in a hurricane to vote for Joe. And when you boil an election down to 12 swing states and who wants it more, it's just not going to go well for Biden to hide. He will be outed in three National debates, the economy will begin to improve, COVID will continue to slide into the background as life starts to work it's way back to normal and the young population is just not gonna care about voting for Joe. He represents nothing ... he's just not Trump.

[HillbillyCletus]

I think people are already wise to the Democrats' strategy to cheat, obfuscate, etc...any way they can to make Trump lose the election. The question will be whether Trump's team adequately anticipates such moves and can appropriately counter. We all know Joe is simply a placeholder for Kamala, should they win. Pelosi is in the mix too. I can't wait for the debates!

[Hootiefish]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

"Biden knows he doesn't need to drive up enthusiams" is going to be the sword his campaign falls on. It's just not correct.

I disagree. The elections in 2017, 2018, and 2019 have gone horribly for republicans, no matter how they try to spin it. Trump's election - and his ongoing overall terribleness - lit a fire under a base that was lackadaisical in 2016.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Hootiefish

I disagree. The elections in 2017, 2018, and 2019 have gone horribly for republicans, no matter how they try to spin it. Trump's election - and his ongoing overall terribleness - lit a fire under a base that was lackadaisical in 2016.

The elections in 17, 18 and 19 have gone exactly like all other elections when power shifts in office. You think it was any different for Obama? During his tenure, he lost so many seats in lower races ... more than Trump. And yet, he cruised to a 2nd term.

"His ongoing overall terribleness" is personal opinion. It's not reality for the country as a whole. If you can step outside that and look at this kinda sorta objectively; the country is not where you think it is. It wasn't under Obama and it isn't under Trump.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by AwesomeBrian

Don't forget to vote twice!

And one will count

Originally Posted by pac213up

You will have to vote Libertarian then.

If only that would make a difference. Maybe one day.

[HillbillyCletus]

Are Democrats really under the impression that Biden will stir up more people to vote than Hillary did? Is that really what they think?

[Hootiefish]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

"His ongoing overall terribleness" is personal opinion. It's not reality for the country as a whole. If you can step outside that and look at this kinda sorta objectively; the country is not where you think it is. It wasn't under Obama and it isn't under Trump.

I think you are underestimating how much people pay attention to what Trump says. His bungling of the pandemic, his bungling of race issues, his war against the environment ... all of these are issues that will drive people to the polls to vote against him.

Trump is hoping people vote regarding his impact on the economy. The economy only matters to those voters he already has locked up. Younger voters, they don't care about the economy. And the ones that do realize the economy is sh!t for them.

[Jopeal]

Is there even one person who voted Hillary in 2016, and now is a newly converted Trump voter in 2020?

I've heard of the inverse many times.

Edit: Biden is definitely not my boy, but I do enjoy pretending he is from time to time for comedic purposes

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by HillbillyCletus

Are Democrats really under the impression that Biden will stir up more people to vote than Hillary did? Is that really what they think?

No, which is why Kamala got the nod as the VP pick. Biden wasn’t going to do anything for anyone outside of the core Democratic base. He can only say “I’m not Donald Trump” so many times before people realize that’s all he has.

Sorry for putting your boy on blast like that Jojo.

[Hootiefish]

Originally Posted by HillbillyCletus

Are Democrats really under the impression that Biden will stir up more people to vote than Hillary did? Is that really what they think?

I'd be willing to bet that this election will have a much larger turnout (on both sides) than 2016.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Hootiefish

I think you are underestimating how much people pay attention to what Trump says. His bungling of the pandemic, his bungling of race issues, his war against the environment ... all of these are issues that will drive people to the polls to vote against him.

Trump is hoping people vote regarding his impact on the economy. The economy only matters to those voters he already has locked up. Younger voters, they don't care about the economy. And the ones that do realize the economy is sh!t for them.

No. You are massively overestimating.

And the things you said are again, personal opinions and not reality for the country as a whole. War against the environment is not real. Bungling of race issues is not real. Unless you have specific things to point to that effect specific communities; you're just generalizing a feeling you feel; but ones that others do not.

I posted an article yesterday in this thread about the things the Trump EPA have done that have shocked a lot of activists. They're pro Trump now ... because of the things his administration has been able to do to help people in this country. "Leaving the Paris Climate Accord" is just a talking point; it's meaningless for most people. Getting the toxic waste in their backyard cleaned up ... that matters.

Don't let the way you see the country from the computer screen fool you into thinking its how the country sees it too. Less than 6% of Americans tweet. Less than 11% go online at least once a day. It's an echo chamber in here.

[TheHeel]

I have to hand it to the Trumpers...they really know how to change the subject. They are even better at making up some silly nonsense excuses for our President.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

I have to hand it to the Trumpers...they really know how to change the subject. They are even better at making up some silly nonsense excuses for our President.

What was the subject?

[HillbillyCletus]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

No, which is why Kamala got the nod as the VP pick. Biden wasn’t going to do anything for anyone outside of the core Democratic base. He can only say “I’m not Donald Trump” so many times before people realize that’s all he has.

Sorry for putting your boy on blast like that Jojo.

I get that but I'd argue Kamala doesn't drum up any additional support than what Biden already had. Were Democrats hoping for a bump in the minority voting w/Kamala? Female voting? I understand identity politics, but it seems to me someone like Buttigieg or Warren could have garnered Biden more votes than Harris.

[BTownCards]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

No. You are massively overestimating.

And the things you said are again, personal opinions and not reality for the country as a whole. War against the environment is not real. Bungling of race issues is not real. Unless you have specific things to point to that effect specific communities; you're just generalizing a feeling you feel; but ones that others do not.

I posted an article yesterday in this thread about the things the Trump EPA have done that have shocked a lot of activists. They're pro Trump now ... because of the things his administration has been able to do to help people in this country. "Leaving the Paris Climate Accord" is just a talking point; it's meaningless for most people. Getting the toxic waste in their backyard cleaned up ... that matters.

Don't let the way you see the country from the computer screen fool you into thinking its how the country sees it too. Less than 6% of Americans tweet. Less than 11% go online at least once a day. It's an echo chamber in here.

I was telling someone this the other day, I can guarantee you the majority of check marks come from 2 states...it’s an echo chamber for democrats with republicans in there making people freak out. That’s pretty obvious, I think if Democrats should have had the msm chill out for the last 3 years and then ramp it up this last year...it might have worked.

Never should have riled up the protesters, that’s gonna be the nail that did them in. There’s one thing old people hate more than a Trump, it’s degenerates burning their home town up.

Watch.


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[Jopeal]

I can't wait choose between Pete Buttigieg/Kamala & Ivanka/Jeff Probst in 2024

#merica

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by AwesomeBrian

Joe really doesn't need to talk... his opponent is running his campaign for him every time he has a mic in front of his face.

This comment is hilarious.
I know Biden's been hiding the last couple of months but every single time he gets behind the mic he's a walking talking pile of jumbled mush.
Maybe not self awareness, but you are definitely lacking any awareness!

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[Hootiefish]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

War against the environment is not real.

I respectfully disagree. Over 100 regulations gutted or removed because of their "burden" on businesses.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/03/epa-...e-elected.html

[HillbillyCletus]

Control the media and you control the people. I agree that the Democrats should have instructed the media to scale back on a few things these past few years and then let it fly this year for them to have a legitimate shot at winning. I'm glad they didn't though!

[hairysasquatch]

Zogby saying Biden in trouble with Af-Am vote. Look it up yourself, not playing the post a link game.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by Hootiefish

I think you are underestimating how much people pay attention to what Trump says. His bungling of the pandemic, his bungling of race issues, his war against the environment ... all of these are issues that will drive people to the polls to vote against him.

Trump is hoping people vote regarding his impact on the economy. The economy only matters to those voters he already has locked up. Younger voters, they don't care about the economy. And the ones that do realize the economy is sh!t for them.

War against the environment is a new one.

[BTownCards]

Originally Posted by Hootiefish

I respectfully disagree. Over 100 regulations gutted or removed because of their "burden" on businesses.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/03/epa-...e-elected.html

So you still buying Chinese made stuff or what ?

That’s gotta be a tough stance for you with the child labor, Muslim camps and pollution.

But go on....

Hard for us to start making stuff when all the laws make it impossible. But I guess that caters to China. So that fits your candidates agenda I’d say.

Made in China.


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