Patrick Mahomes Prices

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by CardClub2Elect

You get what I'm saying though, right? It's more of an observation. Also, I think luck plays less of a role in golf and basketball than football.

You must not watch much golf.

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by KardsC1

People who buy Jordan cards: goat status and his style of play (athleticism), equates to a lot of true fans, long term investors

People who buy Kobe: not goat status but his style of play, equates to a lot of fans, who then collect his cards

Tim Duncan (great resume but his personality and style of play does not equate to a lot of fans , hence his cards are not as valuable as one would think relative to his achievements)

Tom Brady : people buy his cards mainly off of goat status …yes he has fans but his style of play is more like Duncan .. even his personality doesn’t bode well with fans.

Mahomes: people buy his cards on “hopes” of future goat status but also on his style of play and personality…(which equates to more fans)..yes I understand recently his style has took a hit with shorter passes but he still makes plays every now and then that wows people (ala TD to Kelce while falling)…while watching the “chip / putt” contest at the masters, announcer Mike Tirico stated that the chiefs were the number one team amongst all the teen competitors..of course that is a small sample size but it’s hard not to extrapolate since chiefs have been to 5 SBs recently and showcased in a lot of prime time games

What personality are we talking about here? Is it him getting mad at the sideline for obvious calls? Aside from his fanbase pretty much most of the people hates him

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by KardsC1

Listen to him talk..he’s probably one of the most humble superstars we will ever see…obviously his charisma shines, ask all the companies that put him on their commercials..����#@♂️

Cant even listen to what he said when he sounded like kermit. But, I do know he's a sore loser

[Delta5]

Comparing Brady to Tim Freakin Duncan is really something lol

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by CardClub2Elect

Hot take...

Brady is the GOAT.

Brady is also the luckiest QB ever.

In the NFL, you need a little luck to win, almost every Superbowl winning team has a moment in the playoffs or Superbowl where a lucky play helped them win. You have to win to be lucky, so the person who won the most has probably had the most luck. Every Brady Superbowl except his Tampa Superbowl was a one score game. You can use this to say "in not for this one play" he could have won less Superbowls or he could have won more.

Weird, all of Chiefs regular season games last season are 1 score game, with that logic with zerro luck Chiefs would've been 0-17

[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Also...


Time to rename this the "Official Triggered Tom Brady Fans" thread.

Not all Tom Brady fans. Just the triggered ones. And me somehow, who like they both.

I’m not a Brady fan.

I do think he’s the best I may ever see, though I’ll gladly argue for Montana with anyone.

But I open this thread and it’s not about Patty prices, it’s KC fans or sellers so deep into Patty sales that they’ve convinced themselves he can heal dying children just by singing “it isn’t easy being green”.

I think that tends to invite pushback.

Mahomes is obviously spectacular. But some sense of reason or balance would probably keep Brady fans from getting riled.

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

But I open this thread and it’s not about Patty prices, it’s KC fans or sellers so deep into Patty sales that they’ve convinced themselves he can heal dying children just by singing “it isn’t easy being green”.

[slyguy]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

...I do think he’s the best I may ever see...

How in the world would Brady be the 'best I may ever see?'

You saw better any recent Sunday that you watched, man (Josh Allen, Lamar, even Jayden).

Brady is very good for a VERY long career, but there have been dozens of QBs with better arm, speed, strength, athleticism. Quite a few QBs playing now and playing when Brady did can throw and run circles around him. However, there are only a few on Tom's level of decision making in the game's history, and none have played well nearly as long as he did.

Brady did not make the interceptions or field goals to win most of those SBs, though.
He was a very good player on some very good teams... who played basically forever.
That can't be mistaken for raw talent or ability, though. Well, I suppose it's subjective.

Look at some of the NE rosters and especially the 2020 Tampa roster and see just how many HOF/fringe (and future HOF/fringe) guys they had over the years. It's a team game.

...and fwiw, Mahomes will likely be similar in the end (many HOF/fringe guys as teammates) assuming the KC staff and GM keep acquiring talent around him. It is that way for any great, but Tom was not the best by any stretch (unless you are purely trying to argue results and decision making?).

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by slyguy

How in the world would Brady be the 'best I may ever see?'

You saw better any recent Sunday that you watched, man (Josh Allen, Lamar, even Jayden).

Brady is very good for a VERY long career, but there have been dozens of QBs with better arm, speed, strength, athleticism. Quite a few QBs playing now and playing when Brady did can throw and run circles around him.

With all due respect, it is weaksauce to think that a quarterback's athleticism makes him a better quarterback.

I mean, I'd be the first to admit that Lamar Jackson has superior athleticism, speed and arm strength compared to Brady. But not a single NFL fan in history has ever put Lamar Jackson and "GOAT" in the same sentence.

[CorndogWasp]

Originally Posted by slyguy

How in the world would Brady be the 'best I may ever see?'

You saw better any recent Sunday that you watched, man (Josh Allen, Lamar, even Jayden).

Brady is very good for a VERY long career, but there have been dozens of QBs with better arm, speed, strength, athleticism. Quite a few QBs playing now and playing when Brady did can throw and run circles around him. However, there are only a few on Tom's level of decision making in the game's history, and none have played well nearly as long as he did.

Brady did not make the interceptions or field goals to win most of those SBs, though.
He was a very good player on some very good teams... who played basically forever.
That can't be mistaken for raw talent or ability, though. Well, I suppose it's subjective.

Look at some of the NE rosters and especially the 2020 Tampa roster and see just how many HOF/fringe (and future HOF/fringe) guys they had over the years. It's a team game.

...and fwiw, Mahomes will likely be similar in the end (many HOF/fringe guys as teammates) assuming the KC staff and GM keep acquiring talent around him. It is that way for any great, but Tom was not the best by any stretch (unless you are purely trying to argue results and decision making?).

Your top 3 list of greatest you've ever seen (so modern players) doesn't have Tom Brady on it? Thats not possible. Hes the Michael Jordan of our sport.

[slyguy]

Originally Posted by CorndogWasp

Your top 3 list of greatest you've ever seen (so modern players) doesn't have Tom Brady on it? Thats not possible. Hes the Michael Jordan of our sport.

He accomplished a ton, won a ton, played forever.

Would I say he's the best football player or best QB that I have seen? Heck no.
I'm not saying plug n play any old QB and Pats (or 2020 Bucs) win those SBs, but for athletics and for highlights, Tom's not super fun to watch. He makes good/correct plays consistently, and he is a winner. Absolutely, yes.

But will anyone confuse him for having a cannon arm or escape speed? No.

You will not see this:



or this



...but yes, Tom's an all time great. Nobody disputes that.
All time athlete or best player or best to watch? Probably no and no and no (for me).

MJ would make the highlights and win the trophies. Ditto for Messi, Mahomes, etc.
Guys like Bo Jackson or Josh Allen or Deion or would make the highlights... but few/no trophies.
Tom won a lot of trophies, but there were few highlights in there imo.
Spectacular decisions and big wins (so still fun to watch)... but not "best I may ever see" by any means. Again, jmo.

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by slyguy

You will not see this:

That's an interesting image you selected there to try and prove your point. Your image is an incomplete pass from the Super Bowl where Tom Brady beat Patrick Mahomes 31-9.

But yeah, you're right... Tom never manages to throw wild, crazy sideways passes into triple coverage. He just calmly wins the championship game by 3 touchdowns.

I guess incomplete passes excite you more than Super Bowl Championships. Sure made for a great highlight though!!

[KardsC1]

People collect who they like ..I will say most people collect who’s more fun to watch (assuming they also have rings)…Brady’s the most accomplished, there’s no question .. but exciting , no…that matters regardless of what people say..what makes MJ so great is he was both a winner and exciting, same with Kobe, Lebron and Curry…Mahomes so far fits that mold..it’s not just rings, if so Robert Horry would be highly sought after

[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by slyguy

How in the world would Brady be the 'best I may ever see?'

You saw better any recent Sunday that you watched, man (Josh Allen, Lamar, even Jayden).

Brady is very good for a VERY long career, but there have been dozens of QBs with better arm, speed, strength, athleticism. Quite a few QBs playing now and playing when Brady did can throw and run circles around him. However, there are only a few on Tom's level of decision making in the game's history, and none have played well nearly as long as he did.

Brady did not make the interceptions or field goals to win most of those SBs, though.
He was a very good player on some very good teams... who played basically forever.
That can't be mistaken for raw talent or ability, though. Well, I suppose it's subjective.

Look at some of the NE rosters and especially the 2020 Tampa roster and see just how many HOF/fringe (and future HOF/fringe) guys they had over the years. It's a team game.

...and fwiw, Mahomes will likely be similar in the end (many HOF/fringe guys as teammates) assuming the KC staff and GM keep acquiring talent around him. It is that way for any great, but Tom was not the best by any stretch (unless you are purely trying to argue results and decision making?).

Good lord this is… something.

Decision making IS the position. Especially on the biggest stage.

Mahomes throwing that terrible pass that Cooper Dejean intercepted? Awful.

Favre throwing that champ game int to the Saints? Awful.

Wilson Goalline int in the SB? Awful.

Brady winning 7 out of 10? May be the best I ever seen. Even in his SB losses he kept his team close.

Many of these NE rosters were real blue collar teams. Guys came and went. The one constant? Brady.

If you are trying to sell me on the idea that the guy that went to 10 SBs was just “on good teams”? I ain’t buying.

I’ll take Brady over the combined “talent” of Allen, Lamar and Daniels any day.

[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by KardsC1

People collect who they like ..I will say most people collect who’s more fun to watch (assuming they also have rings)…Brady’s the most accomplished, there’s no question .. but exciting , no…that matters regardless of what people say..what makes MJ so great is he was both a winner and exciting, same with Kobe, Lebron and Curry…Mahomes so far fits that mold..it’s not just rings, if so Robert Horry would be highly sought after

So Mahomes is MJ and Brady is Robert Horry?

Step outside your fandom. That’s only real in your head.

[KardsC1]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

So Mahomes is MJ and Brady is Robert Horry?

Step outside your fandom. That’s only real in your head.

Reread what I said..if you think that, it’s on you

[mjekase]

“Tom Brady may be the greatest QB but not the greatest athlete, passer or highlight provider” may be the most pointless argument I’ve ever heard.

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by KardsC1

People collect who they like ..I will say most people collect who’s more fun to watch (assuming they also have rings)…Brady’s the most accomplished, there’s no question .. but exciting , no…that matters regardless of what people say..what makes MJ so great is he was both a winner and exciting, same with Kobe, Lebron and Curry…Mahomes so far fits that mold..it’s not just rings, if so Robert Horry would be highly sought after

Get back to us when they throw parades for the most exciting player of the year.

[mjekase]

I should really start investing in Randall Cunningham. Dude was a better athlete and had a few more highlights than Brady. Also won 3 playoff games in his career.

[Onepocketj]

Pretty sure there's a Tom Brady thread and also a Kermit vs. Brady thread. Please take all this pointless discussion there.

[KardsC1]

Originally Posted by Fenway55

Get back to us when they throw parades for the most exciting player of the year.

We are not talking about MVPs or SB rings, we are talking about what makes a player collectible..I will stick to what I stand by …a player is more sought after with a combination of rings, MVPs, stats, athleticism, clutch plays, highlight reels…no one says rings don’t matter

[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by KardsC1

Reread what I said..if you think that, it’s on you

Reread what you wrote.

You said Brady was not exciting, and it wasn’t just about rings. Then you brought up Horry.

You wrote it, it’s on you.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

Pretty sure there's a Tom Brady thread and also a Kermit vs. Brady thread. Please take all this pointless discussion there.

Kinda says something that the Mahomes thread is full of Brady, Allen, and Montana fans.

A few pages ago I actually tried to post about some Mahomes card prices... and crickets. Would be nice to stick on topic.

[slyguy]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Kinda says something that the Mahomes thread is full of Brady, Allen, and Montana fans. ...

Yep.

"The man on top of the mountain didn't fall there."

[imbluestreak23]

And it reverts back to being a cesspool again.

Tsk tsk tsk