Patrick Mahomes Prices

[49erRCCollector]

Style of play? Yes. Personality? No.

[KardsC1]

Listen to him talk..he’s probably one of the most humble superstars we will ever see…obviously his charisma shines, ask all the companies that put him on their commercials..🤷🏻#@♂️

[CardClub2Elect]

Mahomes seems like a good dude but perception does equate to reality, I obviously don't really know him. Most of the good QB's right now seem like pretty likeable people. True character reveals itself when people are struggling and times are tough, Mahomes has had a few really bad games obviously but the Chiefs have never been bad or struggled since he has been there. I live in New England and there is a fair amount of Mahomes hate and it's mostly because the mainstream media dares to mention him in the same breathe as Brady.

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Originally Posted by KardsC1

People who buy Jordan cards: goat status and his style of play (athleticism), equates to a lot of true fans, long term investors

People who buy Kobe: not goat status but his style of play, equates to a lot of fans, who then collect his cards

Tim Duncan (great resume but his personality and style of play does not equate to a lot of fans , hence his cards are not as valuable as one would think relative to his achievements)

Tom Brady : people buy his cards mainly off of goat status …yes he has fans but his style of play is more like Duncan .. even his personality doesn’t bode well with fans.

Mahomes: people buy his cards on “hopes” of future goat status but also on his style of play and personality…(which equates to more fans)..yes I understand recently his style has took a hit with shorter passes but he still makes plays every now and then that wows people (ala TD to Kelce while falling)…while watching the “chip / putt” contest at the masters, announcer Mike Tirico stated that the chiefs were the number one team amongst all the teen competitors..of course that is a small sample size but it’s hard not to extrapolate since chiefs have been to 5 SBs recently and showcased in a lot of prime time games

One style of play is conducive to longevity. The other is not.

And Duncan was never a career leader in any major statistical category.

Brady has the rings and the stats and has the greatest comeback in NFL history on his resume. He is the MJ of Football.

[tjforce]

It's about the time of year that every September I look back on and say "Damn, I wish I would have picked up another nice Mahomes or two".

This year might be an exception for me, but maybe I should at least go window shopping now.

[KardsC1]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

One style of play is conducive to longevity. The other is not.

And Duncan was never a career leader in any major statistical category.

Brady has the rings and the stats and has the greatest comeback in NFL history on his resume. He is the MJ of Football.

Numbers yes, due to playing a long time..but visually - no..that matters when it comes to highlights and nostalgia, which matters for fans

When kids play basketball , they were trying to be like “mike”…that mainly is for his style of play… I assure you a lot more kids are trying to play qb like prime Mahomes than prime Brady..

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Originally Posted by KardsC1

Numbers yes, due to playing a long time..but he visually - no..that matters when it comes to highlights and nostalgia, which matters for fans

And how many highlights does Babe Ruth have?

Babe Ruth, Michael Jordan, Wayne Gretzky, Tom Brady.

That is the Mount Rushmore of sports. Mahomes will not be on that small circle of Goat supremacy, try as mahomies might to circumvent that notion.

We're only a few years past his retirement. Jordan 86 fleer psa 10s could be had for as low as 19k just several years back which was a good while after he hung them up.

We are in the early stages of Brady's post career rookie card trajectory.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

And how many highlights does Babe Ruth have?

Babe Ruth, Michael Jordan, Wayne Gretzky, Tom Brady.

That is the Mount Rushmore of sports. Mahomes will not be on that small circle of Goat supremacy, try as mahomies might to circumvent that notion.

We're only a few years past his retirement. Jordan 86 fleer psa 10s could be had for as low as 19k just several years back which was a good while after he hung them up.

We are in the early stages of Brady's post career rookie card trajectory.

Curious... how would you define "Several"

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Curious... how would you define "Several"

My point is it wasn't too long ago. Seems like yesterday. My point still stands. MJ's cards have skyrocketed well after he retired. Brady's cards are still fresh off his retirement relatively speaking.

And anybody lumping Brady in with Duncan is being disingenuous.

[KardsC1]

People buying babe Ruth is more for investment..no one actually saw babe play…what makes MJ so collectible is his goat status and his style of play …his fans are buying up his cards (of course some for investment but alot are due to being fans)..yes Brady does have his fans, but it’s not as much as you think..blame it on his style of play, how patriots played etc…they bore you out but they won…I assure you a lot of kids growing up were not thinking “be like Brady”

The main narrative out there is that Brady was good, but a lot of it was because his defense and overall team…that narrative maybe wrong but it’s there no matter how you slice it

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Originally Posted by KardsC1

People buying babe Ruth is more for investment..no one actually saw babe play…what makes MJ so collectible is his goat status and his style of play …his fans are buying up his cards (of course some for investment but alot are due to being fans)..yes Brady does have his fans, but it’s not as much as you think..blame it on his style of play, how patriots played etc…they bore you out but they won…I assure you a lot of kids growing up were not thinking “be like Brady”

The main narrative out there is that Brady was good, but a lot of it was because his defense and overall team…that narrative maybe wrong but it’s there no matter how you slice it

Is this boring to you? Are you even a football fan?

And what's the record of the Patriots shortly before he took over and since he left to go to TB?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KjTLUeHpQw

[KardsC1]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

Is this boring to you? Are you even a football fan?

And what's the record of the Patriots shortly before he took over and since he left to go to TB?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KjTLUeHpQw

It’s not just me, there are a large number of people with this view..just saying , don’t shoot the messenger

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by KardsC1

The main narrative out there is that Brady was good, but a lot of it was because his defense and overall team…that narrative maybe wrong but it’s there no matter how you slice it

It is only a small minority of Brady haters out there pushing that false narrative. Informed people know the Patriots sucked before Brady took over and they sucked after he left.

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Originally Posted by KardsC1

It’s not just me, there are a large number of people with this view..just saying , don’t shoot the messenger

Another disingenuous comment. Must be bored at work or something and need to entertain yourself.

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

See this card? Take a good look.You'll never see Mahomes with a card like this. See how it says GOAT?

[KardsC1]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

Is this boring to you? Are you even a football fan?

And what's the record of the Patriots shortly before he took over and since he left to go to TB?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KjTLUeHpQw

Let’s see Brady’s stats against packers for his last SB with the Bucs..I can assure you his defense carried him even on that day

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Originally Posted by KardsC1

Let’s see Brady’s stats against packers for his last SB with the Bucs..I can assure you his defense carried him even on that day

Are you Delta's alter ego? What kind of cherry picking crap is this?

[CardClub2Elect]

Hot take...

Brady is the GOAT.

Brady is also the luckiest QB ever.

In the NFL, you need a little luck to win, almost every Superbowl winning team has a moment in the playoffs or Superbowl where a lucky play helped them win. You have to win to be lucky, so the person who won the most has probably had the most luck. Every Brady Superbowl except his Tampa Superbowl was a one score game. You can use this to say "in not for this one play" he could have won less Superbowls or he could have won more.

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Originally Posted by CardClub2Elect

Hot take...

Brady is the GOAT.

Brady is also the luckiest QB ever.

In the NFL, you need a little luck to win, almost every Superbowl winning team has a moment in the playoffs or Superbowl where a lucky play helped them win. You have to win to be lucky, so the person who won the most has probably had the most luck. Every Brady Superbowl except his Tampa Superbowl was a one score game. You can use this to say "in not for this one play" he could have won less Superbowls or he could have won more.

Luck is a residue of design. He put himself in that position to be lucky. If he was a tier less as a quarterback, he's probably not getting to the Super Bowl as many times as he did.

[KardsC1]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

Are you Delta's alter ego? What kind of cherry picking crap is this?

It’s irrefutable evidence , again what was his stats that day?

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Originally Posted by KardsC1

It’s irrefutable evidence , again what was his stats that day?

Were the bucs Super Bowl contenders before Brady came on board? Would they have won the sb without him?

You can't see the forrest for the trees.

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by CardClub2Elect

Hot take...

Brady is the GOAT.

Brady is also the luckiest QB ever.

In the NFL, you need a little luck to win, almost every Superbowl winning team has a moment in the playoffs or Superbowl where a lucky play helped them win. You have to win to be lucky, so the person who won the most has probably had the most luck. Every Brady Superbowl except his Tampa Superbowl was a one score game. You can use this to say "in not for this one play" he could have won less Superbowls or he could have won more.

Isn't it just amazing how the greatest players always just get so darn lucky? Jordan.... Woods.... Brady... all so lucky!

[CardClub2Elect]

Originally Posted by Fenway55

Isn't it just amazing how the greatest players always just get so darn lucky? Jordan.... Woods.... Brady... all so lucky!

You get what I'm saying though, right? It's more of an observation. Also, I think luck plays less of a role in golf and basketball than football. It still plays a part but just the nature of the shape of a football a fumble recovery alone can come down to how it bounces off the ground. Golf is an interesting one as I always hate when a putt lips out of the hole and the announcers say "what bad luck". The putt wasn't hit on line, if it was, it would have went in. Where as a QB can put a pass right into the hands of receiver and that receiver can let it go right through his hands into the hands of a defender. The only thing in golf that can compare to that is maybe having to play a morning tee time in 40 mph winds while the afternoon players might get perfect conditions. Maybe hitting the flag stick and having it deflect sideways into a green side bunker or water hazard.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by Fenway55

Isn't it just amazing how the greatest players always just get so darn lucky? Jordan.... Woods.... Brady... all so lucky!

I wouldn't call Bonds lucky.

[tjforce]

Also...


Time to rename this the "Official Triggered Tom Brady Fans" thread.

Not all Tom Brady fans. Just the triggered ones. And me somehow, who like they both.