Patrick Mahomes Prices

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by KardsC1

There will never be a consensus goat…

There kinda really is right now a consensus GOAT. I mean, you'll never get 100% of people to agree on the color of shite but as far as QB GOAT conversations go, right now there is overwhelming consensus that it is Brady.

Even the Mahomes fans have to rely on hypothetical future accomplishments to put their guy above Brady. They know he is not there right now.

[slyguy]

Originally Posted by Fenway55

There kinda really is right now a consensus GOAT. I mean, you'll never get 100% of people to agree on the color of shite but as far as QB GOAT conversations go, right now there is overwhelming consensus that it is Brady.

Even the Mahomes fans have to rely on hypothetical future accomplishments to put their guy above Brady. They know he is not there right now.

Lol. Welp, it's not a bad start, eh? (nobody will be "there right now" against someone who played FIFTEEN more seasons than the seven which they currently have, lol)

Brady at age 30: 21564yds,
147td,
78int,
0mvp,
70-24 record reg,
12-2 record playoffs,
4 afc champ appear,
3sb appear,
3sb won,
2sb mvp

Mahomes at age 30: 32352yds,
245td,
74int,
2mvp,
83-23 record reg,
17-4 record playoffs,
7afc champ appear,
5sb appear,
3sb won,
3sb mvp

Guys, just watch the games to come. That's all people can do. It'll unfold soon enough.

Mahomes is absolutely ahead at current age, but Brady was an ironman with an obviously very freakishly long career (played until 45yo). But to say Mahomes won't do this or do that that is craaazy based on what we've seen so far. The league has never seen a talent like his. It'll only be foolish to doubt or naysay him in the end. Dude has made AFC champ game or better every year he's started. His "bad" years like 2023 and 2024 are good years for most QBs or still avg years for Brady (28.3td and 9.2int/yr). The league is more competitive than ever, and he's consistently dominant from both an individual or a team standpoint - or both.

As was said above by KcCard, people will try to find ways to discredit him even if he smashes all the records. People love tearing greats down. It's sad.

[KardsC1]

A lot of people put Montana over Brady ..a lot of people also put LeBron over MJ..debates will go on eternity..people will continue to collect who they like, that’s all that matters

[Dereth]

Originally Posted by KardsC1

A lot of people put Montana over Brady ..a lot of people also put LeBron over MJ..debates will go on eternity..people will continue to collect who they like, that’s all that matters

The LeBron/MJ stuff is fed largely by sports programming that want to try to generate discussion and clicks. IMO, once LeBron has been retired for a few years, it will start to fade and then largely disappear.

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by KardsC1

There will never be a consensus goat…even if mahomes wins 10 SBs, people will argue that the league is soft and make excuses for their GOAT.. so therefore there is no sense in this debate ..all that matters is mahomes will likely have his fair share of fans..that’s all that matters

What kind of delusional mahomes fan think he's the goat now? Even Nick Wright think he's still nowhere near goat status

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by slyguy

Lol. Welp, it's not a bad start, eh? (nobody will be "there right now" against someone who played FIFTEEN more seasons than the seven which they currently have, lol)

Brady at age 30: 21564yds,
147td,
78int,
0mvp,
70-24 record reg,
12-2 record playoffs,
4 afc champ appear,
3sb appear,
3sb won,
2sb mvp

Mahomes at age 30: 32352yds,
245td,
74int,
2mvp,
83-23 record reg,
17-4 record playoffs,
7afc champ appear,
5sb appear,
3sb won,
3sb mvp

Guys, just watch the games to come. That's all people can do. It'll unfold soon enough.

Mahomes is absolutely ahead at current age, but Brady was an ironman with an obviously very freakishly long career (played until 45yo). But to say Mahomes won't do this or do that that is craaazy based on what we've seen so far. The league has never seen a talent like his. It'll only be foolish to doubt or naysay him in the end. Dude has made AFC champ game or better every year he's started. His "bad" years like 2023 and 2024 are good years for most QBs or still avg years for Brady (28.3td and 9.2int/yr). The league is more competitive than ever, and he's consistently dominant from both an individual or a team standpoint - or both.

As was said above by KcCard, people will try to find ways to discredit him even if he smashes all the records. People love tearing greats down. It's sad.

Wanna bet who will have better career during age 30-40?

[mc1]

Originally Posted by Delta5

Wanna bet who will have better career during age 30-40?

From age 28 to 36 Brady had no Super Bowl wins. Just imagine how much hate and negativity Mahomes will get if he does not win for the next 5-6 years?!

[mjekase]

I don't think it would be hate as much as indifference. Whoever is winning them over the next 5-6 years will fill the void.
And every great QB has a different trajectory to their career. Brady's was very unique and I don't think it's fair to expect Mahomes' to be similar. There are too many variables.

[Scottish Punk]

Originally Posted by mjekase

I don't think it would be hate as much as indifference. Whoever is winning them over the next 5-6 years will fill the void.
And every great QB has a different trajectory to their career. Brady's was very unique and I don't think it's fair to expect Mahomes' to be similar. There are too many variables.

Correct. Different eras make a difference (referring more to Montana). I will always say bringing up farm animal debates in sports is just the lowest common denominator debates. It is all just dumb. You are going to argue for whoever you like better. Older people will say Montana, this generation will say Mahomes. Just put them all as inner tier and call it a day. I know it is boring and doesn't drive clicks.

[blackandgold]

Originally Posted by Dereth

The LeBron/MJ stuff is fed largely by sports programming that want to try to generate discussion and clicks. IMO, once LeBron has been retired for a few years, it will start to fade and then largely disappear.

And MJ will still be the Goat

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by slyguy

Lol. Welp, it's not a bad start, eh? (nobody will be "there right now" against someone who played FIFTEEN more seasons than the seven which they currently have, lol)

The discussion is "GOAT" which means greatest of all time, not greatest at age 30.

Your post proves my point: Even the Mahomes fans know that in order to compare Mahomes favorably to Brady you have to either (A) project out stats for Mahomes that he hasn't accomplished yet or (B) take away stats from Brady that he has accomplished.

[imbluestreak23]

This thread has become so pathetic

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

This thread has become so pathetic

It's the offseason.....

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

This thread has become so pathetic

Agreed....

bad look for anybody needlessly engaging in this never ending conversation. I'm guessing we'll see the same people do so for the next 10 years. Nothing will be accomplished.


Does anybody have some cool pickups, or cards to talk about?

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Originally Posted by slyguy

Lol. Welp, it's not a bad start, eh? (nobody will be "there right now" against someone who played FIFTEEN more seasons than the seven which they currently have, lol)

Brady at age 30: 21564yds,
147td,
78int,
0mvp,
70-24 record reg,
12-2 record playoffs,
4 afc champ appear,
3sb appear,
3sb won,
2sb mvp

Mahomes at age 30: 32352yds,
245td,
74int,
2mvp,
83-23 record reg,
17-4 record playoffs,
7afc champ appear,
5sb appear,
3sb won,
3sb mvp

Guys, just watch the games to come. That's all people can do. It'll unfold soon enough.

Mahomes is absolutely ahead at current age, but Brady was an ironman with an obviously very freakishly long career (played until 45yo). But to say Mahomes won't do this or do that that is craaazy based on what we've seen so far. The league has never seen a talent like his. It'll only be foolish to doubt or naysay him in the end. Dude has made AFC champ game or better every year he's started. His "bad" years like 2023 and 2024 are good years for most QBs or still avg years for Brady (28.3td and 9.2int/yr). The league is more competitive than ever, and he's consistently dominant from both an individual or a team standpoint - or both.

As was said above by KcCard, people will try to find ways to discredit him even if he smashes all the records. People love tearing greats down. It's sad.

Apples and oranges. The nfl Brady came into was different than the nfl mahomes came into.

[CorndogWasp]

The average points scored a game has fluctuated within approx. 3 points since 1996. (2020 Covid year is the oddman out)
https://www.pro-football-reference.c...FL/scoring.htm
Lots of consistency in these stats since 1996.

Mahomes isn't 30. He turns 30 during the next season.

[imbluestreak23]

Since 2017 when I began tracking, this is the amount of gross margin after fees I have made off of the following players:

Patrick Mahomes: $145,176.60
Tom Brady: $3,482.13

Big difference

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

Since 2017 when I began tracking, this is the amount of gross margin after fees I have made off of the following players:

Patrick Mahomes: $145,176.60
Tom Brady: $3,482.13

Big difference

Bluey trying to tell us something without context.

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

Bluey trying to tell us something without context.

[tjforce]

Talking cards here...

The latest sale of the PSA 10 Prizm 269 was $4550 on ebay. Seems to be a bit up from it's mid-March low of $4000. Lower than playoff prices, but very much in line with what we saw in October. I'd anticipate that if all goes well in the broader market, this creeps back up near $5k as the season approaches.



Performing actually a little bit stronger of late is his 2016 Select XRC PSA 10. Last 2 sales were at $4650 and $4825. That's really the top of its range that it sold for in all of 2024, and not that far off his playoff run prices (ranging from $4950 to $5650 the week of the Super Bowl).

It's not a surprise to most of us, but seeing some staying power.

Most Prizm Golds and better are ghosts that mostly only move on the private market at this point.

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

Since 2017 when I began tracking, this is the amount of gross margin after fees I have made off of the following players:

Patrick Mahomes: $145,176.60
Tom Brady: $3,482.13

Big difference

I made the most from Mahomes but definitely a nice five figures from Brady. Your numbers don't really mean too much since we know you were all in on Patty the whole time. I'm sure the number of cards sold of each is pretty lopsided...

I actually would have thought your number for Patty would be higher. Still awesome though.

[slyguy]

I'm surprised you guys sell many Mahomes... it's been nearly a one-way street for me since I got back into cards 2022 preseason.

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

...I actually would have thought your number for Patty would be higher. Still awesome though.

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

I made the most from Mahomes but definitely a nice five figures from Brady. Your numbers don't really mean too much since we know you were all in on Patty the whole time. I'm sure the number of cards sold of each is pretty lopsided...

I actually would have thought your number for Patty would be higher. Still awesome though.

I've got a handful left that once sold should push higher than 150k.

In 2024, Patty was my 7th highest grossing player.

Interestingly, in 2021, there was not a player that I lost more money on than Mahomes.

-$7901.43

[thenwhatjk]

I’m reinvesting my Patty profits into getting a couple ribs removed

[KardsC1]

People who buy Jordan cards: goat status and his style of play (athleticism), equates to a lot of true fans, long term investors

People who buy Kobe: not goat status but his style of play, equates to a lot of fans, who then collect his cards

Tim Duncan (great resume but his personality and style of play does not equate to a lot of fans , hence his cards are not as valuable as one would think relative to his achievements)

Tom Brady : people buy his cards mainly off of goat status …yes he has fans but his style of play is more like Duncan .. even his personality doesn’t bode well with fans.

Mahomes: people buy his cards on “hopes” of future goat status but also on his style of play and personality…(which equates to more fans)..yes I understand recently his style has took a hit with shorter passes but he still makes plays every now and then that wows people (ala TD to Kelce while falling)…while watching the “chip / putt” contest at the masters, announcer Mike Tirico stated that the chiefs were the number one team amongst all the teen competitors..of course that is a small sample size but it’s hard not to extrapolate since chiefs have been to 5 SBs recently and showcased in a lot of prime time games