LeBron Exquisite /99 - altered & damaged

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

You are correct though that the card is graded a 9.5 and at the end of the day that’s all anybody will care about.

Well that's simply untrue. As 312 has stated, a prospective buyer backed out after receiving this new information.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by rebbrooks

What about the bottom left corner damage, do you think that is photoshopped in? Or something else?

My beliefs are as follows:

1. The scan is extremely poor quality.
2. The card is in a soft sleeve that has dirt near both of the bottom corners.
3. The true location of the bottom edge cannot be definitively drawn.

[cking]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Well that's simply untrue. As 312 has stated, a prospective buyer backed out after receiving this new information.

Good.

312 saved them a huge headache

People crack cards out all the time and send them back to BGS and PSA to look at a second time.

Why is it ok to let PSA and BGS give something a second look but its not ok for 312?

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

I am not saying the card isn't trimmed. I am of the belief that the images and techniques used to demonstrate the trimming are inferior to what I would feel comfortable using to make a determination. Simply put, I don't know.

I don't want to argue the due diligence point again, so I will just say this. You can do your due diligence and be wrong. You can also not do your due diligence and be right.

I don't know if you agree, but 312's opinion carries major weight in this hobby. When BODA posts something, it is taken as gospel. And that is why they have been so very careful in making sure that everything they post is well researched and absolutely undeniable. If you're like me, when this all started I was looking at every example being posted and doing my own work to see if I agreed. Now, when I see a post by 312, Dan, or corndog, I don't bother because I have felt I could trust them unequivocally. I was guilty of that here. I looked briefly and agreed with 312 that the left corner was trimmed. But then I was surprised to see this not gain any traction. Are people so numb to this scandal that only a handful of people care about a $500k card being trimmed?

You guys can think what you want of me in questioning 312. I have asked what I think are some very reasonable questions so we can have a discussion about this card. 312 doesn't appear interested in engaging. I fully recognize I am putting my neck out there in disagreeing with 312, and if there are consequences for me, so be it.

That’s fair. I also think it’s fair to question whatever you want, but at this juncture it’s pretty cut and dry the card is trimmed. The dude trying to say COMC has hidden agendas and motives is beyond ridiculous.

If this was any other card everybody would agree that it’s been trimmed. You and I both know that.

COMC isn't the definitive answer, and at the time he gave the “okay” that could have been his opinion and now new information came to light and so the opinion changes. That literally happens throughout life.

To blame the messenger is lame. His opinion carries weight, but it’s just his opinion. It's not COMC job or responsibility to vet anything, and if you ask for his opinion and base yours around his that's on you.

The buyer tried his best to vet the card (good) and in the end he purchased a trimmed card (this sucks). All COMC has done was give his opinions based on the information he had. I think it would be completely unfair to ask his opinion and then blame him when it came back changed. He only works with the information he has at the time. We don’t know when he got the pictures in his post, and we really don’t even know if he got them from BBMJ. All we know is he got them after he gave his assessment. Sucks for the buyer and sucks for cards in general.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Well that's simply untrue. As 312 has stated, a prospective buyer backed out after receiving this new information.

Mine was a sweeping assessment of the hobby in general.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

All COMC has done was give his opinions based on the information he had.

I am glad we agree that 312 only provides an opinion, and what he says should not be taken as fact. I disagree with his opinion here.

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Mine was a sweeping assessment of the hobby in general.

But critically important in this case. I would imagine there was a substantial profit involved since the card was going to be flipped so quickly. That profit is now gone, and the card's future irreparably harmed because of the public outing.

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I dont want you to think I am just picking on BGS.

Is this one a 10 because PSA says so? I suppose its a 10 if you are looking to buy a ski jump ramp, because thats what the bottom looks like.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

I am glad we agree that 312 only provides an opinion, and what he says should not be taken as fact. I disagree with his opinion here.


But critically important in this case. I would imagine there was a substantial profit involved since the card was going to be flipped so quickly. That profit is now gone, and the card's future irreparably harmed because of the public outing.

A public outing which is a good thing mind you.

[amex]

Originally Posted by cking

I dont want you to think I am just picking on BGS.

Is this one a 10 because PSA says so? I suppose its a 10 if you are looking to buy a ski jump ramp, because thats what the bottom looks like.

Heard Twiggy is in the market:

https://youtu.be/dVfXF8O-lHw

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

A public outing which is a good thing mind you.

Only if 312's second assessment is correct. And there appears to be enough doubt to call that into question.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by cking

I dont want you to think I am just picking on BGS.

Is this one a 10 because PSA says so? I suppose its a 10 if you are looking to buy a ski jump ramp, because thats what the bottom looks like.

How many times have you regurgitated the same material? Honest question. You posted the Xander. Now the Lauri. When is the Blake Bortles 9.5 centering coming?

[usmc03vet]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

How many times have you regurgitated the same material? Honest question. You posted the Xander. Now the Lauri. When is the Blake Bortles 9.5 centering coming?

He owns 3 cards, give the guy a break!

[MNmoose78]

I believe 312 provides great information for these forums. That said, if he looked at 25/99 and at first couldn’t see there was anything to make it seemed trimmed, what is to say he may be wrong on others that he is saying are? Again, I’m indifferent on this as I have nothing to do with any of the cards called into question, but when people look at your info provided 312, and Blowout even sticking a BODA under your username people expect that what info you’re providing as the most accurate possible. Again like you said you wish you wouldn’t have to do it but the work you’ve done has brought you down this path. I’ve actually thought about asking you about certain cards in the past but knowing that you don’t want that in your life I will never bother to ask, but I still respect what you’re trying to do for the hobby.

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[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Only if 312's second assessment is correct. And there appears to be enough doubt to call that into question.

It’s only being questioned because of the circumstance and the value of the card.

We both assume BBMJ supplied the picture. Do you think he bothers supplying that picture if the card isn’t obviously trimmed?

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[MNmoose78]

Originally Posted by cking

That looks 60/40 to me

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Originally Posted by MNmoose78

That looks 60/40 to me

Not to me

[cking]

What about these 2? Clearly diffrent centering...same grade.

[MNmoose78]

Originally Posted by cking

What about these 2? Clearly diffrent centering...same grade.

And that’s why people send money to subjective companies to give their opinion. You can always start a company and set your limit at 50/50 centering top and bottom

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

It’s only being questioned because of the circumstance and the value of the card.

We both assume BBMJ supplied the picture. Do you think he bothers supplying that picture if the card isn’t obviously trimmed?

I only took the time to go back and look at it because of the magnitude and the way in which it was posted, so you are right. Even if 312 hadn’t initially reviewed it and been wrong, I would still be of the opinion that he has this posting wrong. I wish he would answer the questions I’ve asked, but it does not appear that will happen.

And I’m not speaking to what buybuymj may or may not have done. I don’t know if he provided the photo with no opinion, or if he rendered an opinion. And that doesn’t matter at all to the discussion at hand.

[KhalDrogo]

cking, go complain in another thread. You’re a distraction and add absolutely nothing to this.

[cking]

Originally Posted by MNmoose78

And that’s why people send money to subjective companies to give their opinion. You can always start a company and set your limit at 50/50 centering top and bottom

You do know why they use 60/40 instead of 50/50 right?

Its so they can give your cards that are NOT gem mint a gem mint grade.

It keeps you submitting if you know you can get cards like this to grade a 10.

In turn they make more money.

They dont give it a 10 because its actually a 10. They give it a 10 because thats what you want to see. Not because of the actual cards condition.

They are playing you. Like a fiddle.

[MNmoose78]

Originally Posted by cking

You do know why they use 60/40 instead of 50/50 right?

Its so they can give your cards that are NOT gem mint a gem mint grade.

It keeps you submitting if you know you can get cards like this to grade a 10.

In turn they make more money.

They dont give it a 10 because its actually a 10. They give it a 10 because thats what you want to see. Not because of the actual cards condition.

They are playing you. Like a fiddle.

So do exactly what I suggested you can do, start another company and set your limits to exact perfection.

[cking]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

cking, go complain in another thread. You’re a distraction and add absolutely nothing to this.

I will post where I want to post. Put me on ignore if you dont like it.