Luka traded to the Lakers

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by rms13

That whole narrative is fake news. Luka has averaged 66 games per year. That's more then Lebron, AD, Kawaii, Giannis, Curry, Embiid, Butler etc have averaged over that same period.

I got lost after this part but ill take the bait... You're comparing Luka's games played to guys in their 30s. So let's examine something more relevant, how these guys all held up their first 7 seasons:

In his first 6 1/2 seasons Luka has missed 113 games (and counting)

Through their first 7 full seasons:

LeBron: 23 games
Giannis: 46 games
Curry: 79 games
AD: 107 games
Butler: 116 games (but 40 came in rookie year where he just wasnt getting in the game)
Kawhi: 167 games.
Embiid: 1 Billion games

Through the first 7 years of his career Luka's availability has landed somewhere worse than Anthony Davis and better than Kawhi and Embiid.

[Nomad]

Wasn't Curry also played lightly his first couple years? Or coming off bench.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by Nomad

Wasn't Curry also played lightly his first couple years? Or coming off bench.

He was playing between 74-80 games every season, with the exception of the season he had a serious injury and was limited to 26

[49ersSF]

The more that comes out about Luka is starting to make the Mavs look brilliant for the move.

They made the move without allowing fan sentiment to possibly get in the way while getting better. They avoided paying Luka the super max and avoided being stuck with a cancer in the clubhouse who does nothing but complain on the court. Of course, they also avoid all the health issues of a 26 year old professional athlete who gets paid 50+ million a year and can't stay in shape.

[WaiverWire]

My favorite part about this trade is it’s hard to imagine this trade being viewed as “even” in 6-7 years. Either Luka dies of overeating Krispy Kreme donuts in an abandoned strip mall or he picks up an MVP trophy and a couple title runs.

Not only that, but what free agent is ever going to want to sign in Dallas? The most popular guy since Dirk and you stab in the back and screw him out of the supermax? He’s better than a lot of the guys on supermax (Bradley Beal, Rudy Gobert, etc). If I were NBA player, I’d avoid the Mavs altogether.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by WaiverWire

My favorite part about this trade is it’s hard to imagine this trade being viewed as “even” in 6-7 years. Either Luka dies of overeating Krispy Kreme donuts in an abandoned strip mall or he picks up an MVP trophy and a couple title runs.

Not only that, but what free agent is ever going to want to sign in Dallas? The most popular guy since Dirk and you stab in the back and screw him out of the supermax? He’s better than a lot of the guys on supermax (Bradley Beal, Rudy Gobert, etc). If I were NBA player, I’d avoid the Mavs altogether.

They would probably give him the supermax if he worked out.

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by WaiverWire

My favorite part about this trade is it’s hard to imagine this trade being viewed as “even” in 6-7 years. Either Luka dies of overeating Krispy Kreme donuts in an abandoned strip mall or he picks up an MVP trophy and a couple title runs.

Not only that, but what free agent is ever going to want to sign in Dallas? The most popular guy since Dirk and you stab in the back and screw him out of the supermax? He’s better than a lot of the guys on supermax (Bradley Beal, Rudy Gobert, etc). If I were NBA player, I’d avoid the Mavs altogether.

Ppl say this a lot (no other players will go there now!), but players will continue to sign with the Mavs.

Maybe the Mavs are offering the most money (and no state income tax). Maybe no one else is offering you a contract.

I haven't heard of too many professional athletes refusing to sign at a certain place. Maybe if all else is equal (which is rare), a player chooses x city over Dallas.

Most NBA players knew or had heard stories that Donald Sterling was racist. They still signed with the Clippers.

I admire guys who stand up for their principles, but I'm not going to fault someone for taking the money while they can and extending their career.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by 49ersSF

The more that comes out about Luka is starting to make the Mavs look brilliant for the move.

They made the move without allowing fan sentiment to possibly get in the way while getting better. They avoided paying Luka the super max and avoided being stuck with a cancer in the clubhouse who does nothing but complain on the court. Of course, they also avoid all the health issues of a 26 year old professional athlete who gets paid 50+ million a year and can't stay in shape.

Cancer to the team? Since when? He's never had any problems with teammates

[BambinoShuffle]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

Ppl say this a lot (no other players will go there now!), but players will continue to sign with the Mavs.

Maybe the Mavs are offering the most money (and no state income tax). Maybe no one else is offering you a contract.

I haven't heard of too many professional athletes refusing to sign at a certain place. Maybe if all else is equal (which is rare), a player chooses x city over Dallas.

Most NBA players knew or had heard stories that Donald Sterling was racist. They still signed with the Clippers.

I admire guys who stand up for their principles, but I'm not going to fault someone for taking the money while they can and extending their career.

Mavs are moving to Vegas.

[WaiverWire]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

Ppl say this a lot (no other players will go there now!), but players will continue to sign with the Mavs.

Maybe the Mavs are offering the most money (and no state income tax). Maybe no one else is offering you a contract.

I haven't heard of too many professional athletes refusing to sign at a certain place. Maybe if all else is equal (which is rare), a player chooses x city over Dallas.

Most NBA players knew or had heard stories that Donald Sterling was racist. They still signed with the Clippers.

I admire guys who stand up for their principles, but I'm not going to fault someone for taking the money while they can and extending their career.

Have you looked at the top 10 free agent signings in Mavs history? It’s not impressive.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by WaiverWire

Have you looked at the top 10 free agent signings in Mavs history? It’s not impressive.

Yeah, historically the Mavs never get premier free agents. They've traded for guys like Kyrie, Kidd, Nash etc.

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by WaiverWire

Have you looked at the top 10 free agent signings in Mavs history? It’s not impressive.

So the Mavs trading Luka is going to make the list that much worse?

Everything being equal, players are going to go where the money is. It's that simple. Trading a player doesn't move the needle as much as ppl think it does.

[Nomad]

Anthony Edwards believes he is next. "I just bought a crib too."

[Bosoxfan5990]

My favorite was when Anthony Davis's dad told reporters his son would never sign in Boston because of how the Celtics treated Isaiah Thomas.

How'd that work out for Ant in LA, Mr. Davis?

[2010GBPackers]

Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

My favorite was when Anthony Davis's dad told reporters his son would never sign in Boston because of how the Celtics treated Isaiah Thomas.

How'd that work out for Ant in LA, Mr. Davis?

Well, he won a Championship, so it seems like a horse-a-piece.

[mc1]

Originally Posted by Chris P

Yeah, historically the Mavs never get premier free agents. They've traded for guys like Kyrie, Kidd, Nash etc.

Kidd was drafted by Dallas and traded away. Eventually they got him back.
Nash was drafted by Phoenix and traded away. Eventually he went back to Phoenix.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by mc1

Kidd was drafted by Dallas and traded away. Eventually they got him back.
Nash was drafted by Phoenix and traded away. Eventually he went back to Phoenix.

I know..i was just saying that when they have made splash moves with All Star level players, it's typically been through trades not free agency

[rms13]

Originally Posted by tjforce

I got lost after this part but ill take the bait... You're comparing Luka's games played to guys in their 30s. So let's examine something more relevant, how these guys all held up their first 7 seasons:

In his first 6 1/2 seasons Luka has missed 113 games (and counting)

Through their first 7 full seasons:

LeBron: 23 games
Giannis: 46 games
Curry: 79 games
AD: 107 games
Butler: 116 games (but 40 came in rookie year where he just wasnt getting in the game)
Kawhi: 167 games.
Embiid: 1 Billion games

Through the first 7 years of his career Luka's availability has landed somewhere worse than Anthony Davis and better than Kawhi and Embiid.

It's more about the era of the NBA then it is about age. Luka entered the league when load management was in full swing. I don't know how many of teams top players play 70+ games at this point other then Joker and Tatum/Jaylen. How much of Luka's availability has been legitimately injured vs team resting him for important games. He's been there at the end of the season every year playing almost every minute of every playoff game when it counted, usually being the best player on the floor and getting his team further into the post season then they really should have every year. If he plays 65 games per year for the Lakers and they make the conference finals or finals every year I'm sure nobody will be complaining.

[PSA2Pac]

Originally Posted by Chris P

Cancer to the team? Since when? He's never had any problems with teammates

People just making stuff up now, it’s comical lol


Can’t wait to see how this all plays out. IMO Dallas will never win a title as currently constructed, regardless of good the starting five might look on paper

AD is one elbow away from a dilapidated spinal contusion of the everything extremities





Luka will eventually get his though in LA

[Thebirdman321]

Originally Posted by 49ersSF

The more that comes out about Luka is starting to make the Mavs look brilliant for the move.

They made the move without allowing fan sentiment to possibly get in the way while getting better. They avoided paying Luka the super max and avoided being stuck with a cancer in the clubhouse who does nothing but complain on the court. Of course, they also avoid all the health issues of a 26 year old professional athlete who gets paid 50+ million a year and can't stay in shape.

its the dumbest move in NBA history. Theres no rationalizing this one, they arent better this year, theyre future is cooked and Nico will be serving you french fries pretty soon

[KhalDrogo]

Doesn’t seem like all the Mavs PR hit pieces yesterday helped Nico out.

[rms13]

Originally Posted by Thebirdman321

its the dumbest move in NBA history. Theres no rationalizing this one, they arent better this year, theyre future is cooked and Nico will be serving you french fries pretty soon

No, Nico will be hired in the Lakers front office and given a statue outside of Staples

[KhalDrogo]

Nico can never be hired by the Lakers. The NBA isn’t stupid enough to allow those optics to occur.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by rms13

It's more about the era of the NBA then it is about age. Luka entered the league when load management was in full swing. I don't know how many of teams top players play 70+ games at this point other then Joker and Tatum/Jaylen. How much of Luka's availability has been legitimately injured vs team resting him for important games. He's been there at the end of the season every year playing almost every minute of every playoff game when it counted, usually being the best player on the floor and getting his team further into the post season then they really should have every year. If he plays 65 games per year for the Lakers and they make the conference finals or finals every year I'm sure nobody will be complaining.

So let's take a look at the top guys drafted in 2017 and 2018 and see how many games they've all missed:

Tatum: 54
Bam: 78
Trae: 82
Mitchell: 99
SGA: 100
Luka: 113 (about to become 114 tonight)


No matter which way you look at it, there's a valid reason to have some concerns about his ability to stay healthy.

[rms13]

Originally Posted by tjforce

So let's take a look at the top guys drafted in 2017 and 2018 and see how many games they've all missed:

Tatum: 54
Bam: 78
Trae: 82
Mitchell: 99
SGA: 100
Luka: 113 (about to become 114 tonight)


No matter which way you look at it, there's a valid reason to have some concerns about his ability to stay healthy.

You should have just as much concern about SGA. But I'm sure you don't because we all know he missed games to keep him healthy while the team tanked. This is Luka's longest consecutive games missed with injuries but I again question how much of that has to do with the team working on a trade for him for the past month. 12 games he missed were rest, 5 were covid health and safety protocols so subtract 17 from that total. Most of his injuries have been 1-2 game absences and a couple 5-7 games. He's missed 19 games with current injury but let's say it would have been 5 games if he they weren't working out a deal and then so subtract 14 so now you we subtract 31 from that total and he's really missed 82 because of various injuries. But all we can do is wait and see. If he is a guy that consistently plays around 70 regular season games and all of the post season games it's no big deal. If he truly turns in Embiid and his next contract is one of the worst in history then the Mavs were geniuses. I'm a C's fan so I should be rooting for the Embiid outcome but he's one of my favorite players to watch to I'll hope I we get another 10+ years of him being great.