Is Kyle Schwarber a HOFer?

[Archangel1775]

Sheffield is tainted from admitting minor steroid use. He apparently tried it without knowing exactly what it was. Honesty was not the best policy in his case.

Juan Gonzalez was a 2x MVP and on his way to the HOF without needing to reach any significant milestone.

Delgado was pretty damn good and is the non-steroid stand out on the list.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by premium1981

You think Kyle Schwarber could still play for another 10 years? Like for real? Do you seriously think that is a possibility? I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but that is absolutely not happening. The Rockies have about an equal shot at winning the NL West this year.

If he gets a 4 year contract from the Phillies, that's probably all he has left. He could get an extra year from them afterwards. I just don't see any teams signing a 37 year old DH that is going to likely hit only 20-25 home runs with a .200 average at that age. I cant think of any hitter the last 5 years aside from Pujols that played into their 40's.

[premium1981]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

If he gets a 4 year contract from the Phillies, that's probably all he has left. He could get an extra year from them afterwards. I just don't see any teams signing a 37 year old DH that is going to likely hit only 20-25 home runs at that age. I cant think of any hitter the last 5 years aside from Pujols that played into their 40's.

Not only that, but think of the hitter Pujols was in his prime and compare that to Schwarber, a career .231 hitter. At the same age (without looking) I would guess Pujols had 80 points better on his career BA, not even counting his actual production of HR and RBI. His was year and and year out dominance. And he looked crippled the last few years of his contract. Schwarber will be lucky to be in the league as a regular in 5 years. I know its hard when we are a fan of someone to see down the road, but these type of hitters just collapse when their time ends. Look at Ryan Howard at 31 and the production that he had. Absolute domination, and destroys Schwarber in every category. Then look at his last 5 years that followed as he retired. This thread is going to look silly in a few years.

[ScooterD]

Originally Posted by premium1981

You think Kyle Schwarber could still play for another 10 years? Like for real? Do you seriously think that is a possibility? I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but that is absolutely not happening. The Rockies have about an equal shot at winning the NL West this year.

You and I usually agree on things - we don’t have any issues.

I don’t know that Schwarber will hit 500 HRs or play until he’s 42; however, there is no current fact precluding it - and you are definitely (unambiguously) stating that neither will happen in the future. I’m just saying that it’s possible.

The preclusionary statement of what may happen in these circumstances seems extreme. Both may be unlikely based on XYZ, but neither are definitely impossible. That’s all I’m saying - tell me how you know (not think… KNOW) what will happen?

If you have facts of what will happen in the future with him that are undebatable and impossible to change/be wrong, please provide them and the source.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by premium1981

Not only that, but think of the hitter Pujols was in his prime and compare that to Schwarber, a career .231 hitter. At the same age (without looking) I would guess Pujols had 80 points better on his career BA, not even counting his actual production of HR and RBI. His was year and and year out dominance. And he looked crippled the last few years of his contract. Schwarber will be lucky to be in the league as a regular in 5 years. I know its hard when we are a fan of someone to see down the road, but these type of hitters just collapse when their time ends. Look at Ryan Howard at 31 and the production that he had. Absolute domination, and destroys Schwarber in every category. Then look at his last 5 years that followed as he retired. This thread is going to look silly in a few years.

Citing batting average is very 1960s of you and outdated as to why he won't hit in the future (career .346 OBP!)

With that said he's not a HOFer, this discussion is as pointless as when people were trying to champion Nick Markakis. I know the bar is low sometimes in Baseball, but it should be a given if you're NEVER a top 30 player in MLB (this is basically his first chance to be that at age 32?) it's an easy no regardless of counting stats.

[premium1981]

Originally Posted by ScooterD

You and I usually agree on things - we don’t have any issues.

I don’t know that Schwarber will hit 500 HRs or play until he’s 42; however, there is no current fact precluding it - and you are definitely (unambiguously) stating that neither will happen in the future. I’m just saying that it’s possible.

The preclusionary statement of what may happen in these circumstances seems extreme. Both may be unlikely based on XYZ, but neither are definitely impossible. That’s all I’m saying - tell me how you know (not think… KNOW) what will happen?

If you have facts of what will happen in the future with him that are undebatable and impossible to change/be wrong, please provide them and the source.

Obviously none of us can see into the future. But history has shown us that similar hitters do not age well and he won't just magically start getting better. He seems like a great guy, and for him, I hope he does reach that milestone. But if I was a betting man I would put down a very large amount of money that it doesn't happen. And I will feel very confident in that bet. I will say again, that only 2 years ago he didn't even reach the Mendonza Line. He just isn't as good as some people are claiming. Most players have peaked by this age. And according to BR he has never even finished Top 10 for a single season in the MVP voting. And we are talking about the HOF? Ummm, no.

[premium1981]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Citing batting average is very 1960s of you and outdated as to why he won't hit in the future (career .346 OBP!)

Its one of many reasons. But you can't overlook it when its this low. Maybe you can take it out of the equation if he is in the .260s or something. Everyone doesn't have to bat .300, because like the point you are making, there is much more to the equation. But BA is absolutely a stat worth mentioning. Especially when its so low.

[oldgoldy97]

Schwarber has a better chance at 500 than Topps lowering prices.

[premium1981]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Schwarber has a better chance at 500 than Topps lowering prices.

We can all agree on that.

[duwal]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Citing batting average is very 1960s of you and outdated as to why he won't hit in the future (career .346 OBP!)

totally agree, some seem to think the low average means either he's not productive aside from the home runs or that he isn't getting on base. Last year he led the league in walks, the year before he had an even higher total. This year he is at .398 OBP so far. He has a great eye for the strike zone, top notch power and body is not getting worn down by playing in the field

[backtothe50s]

maybe david ortiz like numbers then?

[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by duwal

totally agree, some seem to think the low average means either he's not productive aside from the home runs or that he isn't getting on base. Last year he led the league in walks, the year before he had an even higher total. This year he is at .398 OBP so far. He has a great eye for the strike zone, top notch power and body is not getting worn down by playing in the field

Fair, but batting average contributes to his OBP. As he ages, that Batting Average is likely going to drop to an unsustainable level.

[f2tornado]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Schwarber has a better chance at 500 than Topps lowering prices.

100 points

But he still needs 198 to get there. I think he's got a fair chance if he doesn't decline too quickly but that's the only way he even gets some votes. Getting 75% is a tall order. Postseason resume can help. Fred McGriff was close to 500 and was a superior all around player and got neglected until the vets stepped in. Tall order but not implausible in my opinion.

[Mightymango]

Originally Posted by ScooterD

I agree with all of the above - I love Bernie too!

The problem is there are some one-trick ponies in the Hall already - Kiner seems to fit that mold.

I forgot all about Bernie's numbers as well. One of the best switch hitters ever to have played, plus his post season numbers. I could see him getting in with the Vets Committee over Schwarber in the normal voting, even if Schwarber gets 500hr or more.

[HeritageKing]

Gotta love comparing stats of guys who played 16 years vs. Schwarber’s 11. Bernie Williams has had 3000 more at bats. Andrew Jones played 18 years and Nelson Cruz 19 years. Just do me a favor and clear a spot right now. Thanks

[finfangfan]

It would be interesting to see a list of “late bloomer” hall of famers? Which member of the Hall of Fame was the oldest to debut in the majors?

[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by finfangfan

It would be interesting to see a list of “late bloomer” hall of famers? Which member of the Hall of Fame was the oldest to debut in the majors?

Probably Satchel Paige. Of the non-Negro Leaguers, probably Ichiro.

[Soxrule111]

Originally Posted by premium1981

You think Kyle Schwarber could still play for another 10 years? Like for real? Do you seriously think that is a possibility? I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but that is absolutely not happening. The Rockies have about an equal shot at winning the NL West this year.

10 years puts him at 42 years old. Yes, I think he could still play DH Left handed hitter at that .Doubtful, but possibility.

More of, so I think he can play 7 more years until age 40. In those 7 hears avg 29 homers and get to 500, yes.

The guys posted in the comparison were Nelson Cruz (42) Encarnacion (37), Torii Hunter (39) and Andruw Jones (who I think should be in)

So I dont think its crazy to say that in the rest of this season, plus 7 years (he retires at 39 then) Yes I think he can get 200 Home Runs in that span.

This offseason will be the big sign, if he Stays healthy and only gets a 2 year 30 Million dollar deal, itll be hard for him to stay around long enough. If he can get a 5 or 6 Year Deal, and hes within 25HRs I think a team signs him to chase 500 and sell tickets.

But, Schwarber has to get to 500 (or something crazy like 2 MVPS next 4 years and 3 World Series Rings) otherwise he will not have a shot. He retires at 422 hes as good as Adam Dunn.

[finfangfan]

I always liked Schwarber and thought the short porch at Camden Yards would be a great fit for him. Maybe the Orioles get final season Schwarber as a DH. Kind of like when they got minutes from retirement Jim Thome.

[jhssketchcards]

Schwarber could end his career with 500 HR and less than 30 WAR…
If anyone thinks that’s HOF worthy (nothing else he has done is) I don’t know what else to say.


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[Retired hobbist]

Originally Posted by Robles Fan

Schwarber is basically Adam Dunn in quite literally every aspect. If Dunn (who still has a longer career) has no hope of making it into the HOF, then neither should Kyle Schwarber.

Yes there is no way he is hall of fame candidate less he hits high 500 home run totals or of course 600 plus but at 32 with a bare 300 home run total that shouldn't happen.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Soxrule111

If Kyle can Keep up 30+ HRs for 4 More years, hes 100% in the HOF when he hits 500. If he blows his knee out this season or next he isnt close.

Schwarber has 0% chance to make the HOF no matter how many HRs he hits. The only way he gets in is if he buys a ticket like you or me.

[Retired hobbist]

Originally Posted by whitmm

That's nice. Hope he wins it and wins the WS MVP, still not going to make him a hall of famer

Bernie Williams has 22 post season home runs, 83 post season runs and 80 post season RBI. Has an ALCS MVP and 4 rings. He's not in.

I think Bernie could get in as senior's candidate down the road. If you look at some of the weaker candidates who have been inducted in recent years why not Bernie too?

[rats60]

Originally Posted by finfangfan

It would be interesting to see a list of “late bloomer” hall of famers? Which member of the Hall of Fame was the oldest to debut in the majors?

Hoyt Wilhelm debuted at 29 years 267 days old, but he was a knuckle ball pitcher who pitched his last game at age 49 350 days. I would not count Negro League players like Satchel Paige because he was Hall of Famer without pitching a single game in the majors.

[ScooterD]

Originally Posted by rats60

Hoyt Wilhelm debuted at 29 years 267 days old, but he was a knuckle ball pitcher who pitched his last game at age 49 350 days. I would not count Negro League players like Satchel Paige because he was Hall of Famer without pitching a single game in the majors.

Just came here to post about Wilhelm.

Phil Niekro had a negative WAR on his 28th birthday. He also (later) lead the league (all players) in WAR and losses in the same season - which is kind of amazing