Will BBCE authenticated items take a dip?

[dizzydolse]

Originally Posted by ThunderKing

Yeah, I would be quiet if my name was jjeanius... Mr "just pressed the corner of the card a bit"... we don't want the opinions of known card tampering kings lol

the thunderking comin in hot with shots fired!

[HarryLime]

I'm not defending Steve. I'm simply saying that, as of right now, I'm not seeing the prosecution's case reach the "beyond a reasonable doubt" point yet.

That's it. No ulterior motives. I just want to see irrefutable proof that a crime has been committed. The barcode is bad but it's not a smoking gun. Everything else is circumstantial. I'm simply saying we should continue to dig deeper in order to find more concrete evidence and we should view all facts/rumors/opinions with an open mind that, perhaps, they're just BS.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to go angrily move all of my BBCE-wrapped cases around for a new feng shui and then polish my white knight armor.

Arthur

[ThoseBackPages]

still no video?

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by chezball

It's not bizarre, they're holding cases from them.
You can always tell who's holding what when these types of threads pop up.

Always talking out of your arse I see. Damn weirdo. I already posted what I have from BBCE, it's under 4 figures.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

I'm not defending Steve. I'm simply saying that, as of right now, I'm not seeing the prosecution's case reach the "beyond a reasonable doubt" point yet.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to go angrily move all of my BBCE-wrapped cases around for a new feng shui and then polish my white knight armor.

Arthur

It's not looking good no matter how it plays out but I doubt it takes a toll on BBCE business. When slabs are involved, money is involved and people will still send packs to PSA. Most dont even know the relationship. It very well could be that Pokemon dealers decide to say FU to PSA and BBCE but that's doubtful. If anything, it just means the premiere grader learns and becomes better. Besides, packs seems to be most of BBCE business. The sports side wont see an impact to pack submissions to PSA or box and case subs to BBCE. Bottom line, nobodies burning BBCE wrapped boxes or PSA slabs by the case load.

[CableRock]

I don't have any sealed product but I wouldn't be putting any extra weight onto a BBCE box after this, unless they detail exactly what happened and how they plan to mitigate that in the future. The whole "methods to authenticate a box is a secret" thing doesn't seem like it should be a thing.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by CableRock

I don't have any sealed product but I wouldn't be putting any extra weight onto a BBCE box after this, unless they detail exactly what happened and how they plan to mitigate that in the future. The whole "methods to authenticate a box is a secret" thing doesn't seem like it should be a thing.

I would hope they have a detailed system worked out for their next phase of grading modern, factory wrapped boxes. As someone mentioned though, you can identify questionable boxes if you know what to look for yourself. I do believe purchasing FASC modern boxes would have a strong market.

As for the old wax pack products, a lot in the hobby know what to look for already. Paying a premium for the work already being done is worth it for many and when its FASC, its even better. When it comes down to buying older wax online, I'd prefer it to have been authenticated. I'd buy BBCE, RVP FASC and OPC Baseball O-Pee-Chee Boxes.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by chezball

So how is that talking out my azz when you "do" have product from him?
Are you going to run to the mods to get this locked like the last time?
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1394258

That's what I'm saying, your a freaking weirdo dude. Is this your way of cancelling me on BO? I already posted what I had in this thread. Its not much. Also, what's up with the gay reference? Are you homophobic or something?

[HarryLime]

Originally Posted by chezball

Who's on the bottom you or steve? So how is that talking out my azz when you "do" have product from him?
Are you going to run to the mods to get this locked like the last time?
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1394258

Arthur

[Archangel1775]

What people think I have wrapped from BBCE


What I actually have

[chezball]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

That's what I'm saying, your a freaking weirdo dude. Is this your way of cancelling me on BO? I already posted what I had in this thread. Its not much. Also, what's up with the gay reference? Are you homophobic or something?

canceling, why would you even think?

[Boredlawyer]

Let's be realistic.

The entire premise of "secretive ninja skills to verify whether a box of cards, which was never factory-sealed with cellophane, hasn't been tampered with, involving unknown criteria known only to one man, but taken as gospel" was weird, and the hobby put an inordinate amount of faith in it.

Regardless of whether the guy is stand-up/made a mistake, it was going to fail at some point. Unless you're buying something directly from the manufacturer, there's always some level of risk. Yeah, it was really fun to hold unopened wax from 2017-2021, when the prices never dropped. For the fifteen years before that, just about every single release, with the exception of a few key Bowman/Topps base releases, lost value from year to year. Most hobby boxes that cost $100 in 2004 cost like, $45 in 2014. Factor in the redemptions, and outside of a few rookie-specific releases (or something like first year A&G), you probably lost money.

The only thing that seems to carry any value is the "FASC" designation for boxes which have a single enormous case hit, like early SP Legendary Cuts. Even then, you could always open "FASC" boxes until you landed the case hit, and sell the rest. That's such a small amount of the hobby at this point, I don't understand why people were paying huge bucks to get their boxes cellophaned.

It seems that the larger issue is people holding a huge amount of unopened wax thought it was like holding QQQ based on the last four years of upward prices.

[mc1]

How trustworthy are FASC wrapped boxes? He claims to be an expert in sealed sports cases and boxes.

I dont know how accurate his authentication of sealed cases is.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by Boredlawyer

Let's be realistic.

The entire premise of "secretive ninja skills to verify whether a box of cards, which was never factory-sealed with cellophane, hasn't been tampered with, involving unknown criteria known only to one man, but taken as gospel" was weird, and the hobby put an inordinate amount of faith in it.

Regardless of whether the guy is stand-up/made a mistake, it was going to fail at some point. Unless you're buying something directly from the manufacturer, there's always some level of risk. Yeah, it was really fun to hold unopened wax from 2017-2021, when the prices never dropped. For the fifteen years before that, just about every single release, with the exception of a few key Bowman/Topps base releases, lost value from year to year. Most hobby boxes that cost $100 in 2004 cost like, $45 in 2014. Factor in the redemptions, and outside of a few rookie-specific releases (or something like first year A&G), you probably lost money.

The only thing that seems to carry any value is the "FASC" designation for boxes which have a single enormous case hit, like early SP Legendary Cuts. Even then, you could always open "FASC" boxes until you landed the case hit, and sell the rest. That's such a small amount of the hobby at this point, I don't understand why people were paying huge bucks to get their boxes cellophaned.

It seems that the larger issue is people holding a huge amount of unopened wax thought it was like holding QQQ based on the last four years of upward prices.

why do people spend huge bucks to grade cards? There's your answer.

[Boredlawyer]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

why do people spend huge bucks to grade cards? There's your answer.

Moreover, paying huge premiums for graded wax. Just don't see the upside. At least with a graded card, you're verifying condition, which is paramount to value.

[Triple B]

Trying to sort through all of the name calling and conspiracies to find my own answer, has BBCE even said anything about this yet?

[jerryw]

Originally Posted by Triple B

Trying to sort through all of the name calling and conspiracies to find my own answer, has BBCE even said anything about this yet?

The silence is deafening lol

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by Triple B

Trying to sort through all of the name calling and conspiracies to find my own answer, has BBCE even said anything about this yet?

If you don't know how this is going to play out by now...you might need to evaluate other things in your life. Motorcycle(s) are going to be returned. A person or 2 "might" end up going deep sea diving w/ their new concrete shoes. JP will fight a Pokepika at the National. PokeKing (or whatever he's called) will still be playing every side of the fence. And the Canadian scammer will be basking in the sun on a beach in Bali, laughing at all of the idiots.

PS...Arthur will still be angry while standing on his soapbox.

[Triple B]

Originally Posted by jerryw

The silence is deafening lol

Ah...the self-inflicted gunshot wound.

[ThoseBackPages]

where is the video?

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

where is the video?

Khals has it but wont show it to anyone. I heard he's selling it to Netflix.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Khals has it but wont show it to anyone. I heard he's selling it to Netflix.

ughhhh!!!!

[Pacmeyer]

Originally Posted by mc1

How trustworthy are FASC wrapped boxes? He claims to be an expert in sealed sports cases and boxes.

I dont know how accurate his authentication of sealed cases is.

In order to trust that a box is authenticated as FASC, you need to trust that the case it's from was accurately identified as factory sealed. That's just straightforward logic. Too bad many only hear that BBCE is the authority on vintage unopened and never ask even the most basic questions.

The Pokemon case controversy is good for collectors. It gets the word out that buyers should look more closely at all sealed wax before buying. Anyone who thinks it's only about attacking BBCE is telling others how to spend their money.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Khals has it but wont show it to anyone. I heard he's selling it to Netflix.

HBO Max. Get it right.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by Boredlawyer

Moreover, paying huge premiums for graded wax. Just don't see the upside. At least with a graded card, you're verifying condition, which is paramount to value.

Your at a card show: you see a BBCE wrapped 1978 baseball box vs. the same box unwrapped.


re-sale value is clearly in favor of the BBCE box.

as far as grading box "condition" GAI graded unopened boxes for a short period of time.