The Unofficial 2020-21 European Football Leagues Discussion Thread - Page 16

fadster · 03-09-2021, 10:01 AM

Some fourfourtwo writers chime in on what they think the England squad will look like at EURO 2020 https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features...ke-this-summer

In the more attacking roles, all would take Kane, Sterling, Rashford, Sancho, Foden, Grealish and Mount. DCL makes six of the seven squads, Maddison four, Barnes two, Greenwood two and Saka one.

Gin&Juice · 03-09-2021, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by fadster

Some fourfourtwo writers chime in on what they think the England squad will look like at EURO 2020 https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features...ke-this-summer

In the more attacking roles, all would take Kane, Sterling, Rashford, Sancho, Foden, Grealish and Mount. DCL makes six of the seven squads, Maddison four, Barnes two, Greenwood two and Saka one.

Interesting, if this had been written two weeks ago, I suspect that Maddison and Mount would have been reversed. Good problems to have.

Tones · 03-15-2021, 04:24 AM

Man I know it's early, but I am starting to see Odegaard as Ozil's perfect replacement. I really hope we are able to convince Real to make the deal permanent.

Amazing derby win, lot of people saying the penalty and the red card was what won us the game, but we controlled the entire match and forced Spuds to play defensively. Which made my day because it rendered Bale useless

YayNJ · 03-15-2021, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by fadster

Some fourfourtwo writers chime in on what they think the England squad will look like at EURO 2020 https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features...ke-this-summer

In the more attacking roles, all would take Kane, Sterling, Rashford, Sancho, Foden, Grealish and Mount. DCL makes six of the seven squads, Maddison four, Barnes two, Greenwood two and Saka one.

LOL @ whomever picked Harry Winks.

fadster · 03-15-2021, 05:53 AM

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LOL @ whomever picked Harry Winks.

I've never understood any of the adulation for him, he's so averagely average. It was only in late 2017 Danny Murphy suggested England should build the team around him, Alli and Kane.

threepointplay · 03-15-2021, 06:33 AM

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Man I know it's early, but I am starting to see Odegaard as Ozil's perfect replacement. I really hope we are able to convince Real to make the deal permanent.

Amazing derby win, lot of people saying the penalty and the red card was what won us the game, but we controlled the entire match and forced Spuds to play defensively. Which made my day because it rendered Bale useless

I do like the look of Odegaard, but my big open question with him, is are he & Smith-Rowe too similar players and can they both play in the same together in the long term? Can you run a team with two no. 10s in it?

The club does not have the funds to buy Odegaard & then rotate him with Smith-Rowe, so I would like to see more of them playing together this season before making a final call.

[n.b. Arsenal season ticket holder & old-school NBA card collector here, who is starting to turn his attention towards 'soccer' cards].

threepointplay · 03-15-2021, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by fadster

Some fourfourtwo writers chime in on what they think the England squad will look like at EURO 2020 https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features...ke-this-summer

In the more attacking roles, all would take Kane, Sterling, Rashford, Sancho, Foden, Grealish and Mount. DCL makes six of the seven squads, Maddison four, Barnes two, Greenwood two and Saka one.

OK I am slightly biased, but I would have thought when building a 23-man squad then including Saka - who can play in more than one position - is a bit of a no-brainer. Injuries always seem to play a part in tournaments and having the in-form utility player seems the obvious choice?

YayNJ · 03-15-2021, 06:50 AM

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OK I am slightly biased, but I would have thought when building a 23-man squad then including Saka - who can play in more than one position - is a bit of a no-brainer. Injuries always seem to play a part in tournaments and having the in-form utility player seems the obvious choice?

Saka's hype is currently larger in the hobby than his current actual real life ability.

Immense talent, but there's players I'd take over him in a small squad for this tourney.

Between Chillwell, Barnes and Grealish (none of which are guaranteed starters) there's no need for Saka.

YayNJ · 03-15-2021, 06:57 AM

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I've never understood any of the adulation for him, he's so averagely average. It was only in late 2017 Danny Murphy suggested England should build the team around him, Alli and Kane.

One of lifes mysteries. Perhaps there is an unwritten rule that Spuds players have to be in the England set-up. How else can you explain Eric Dier?

fadster · 03-15-2021, 07:38 AM

Personally, I'd take:

Pope, Pickford, Henderson
TAA, Walker, Stones, Maguire, Mings, Keane, Chilwell, Shaw
Henderson, Rice, Mount, Grealish, Foden
Kane, DCL, Rashford, Sancho, Sterling

That's 21, the final 2 spots would be between Trippier, Phillips, Maddison and Saka. If Southgate want's to play three at the back (which I hate) then I think Saka makes sense for his versatility (and the fact that Chilwell has been struggling a bit as a left wing back under Tuchel), I don't think there is room for him solely as a winger. In the case of 4 at the back I'd go for Trippier. If Maddison is fit I'd likely take him for the final spot. However as usual I suspect some big late season injuries will shake things up anyway, some players are already looking pretty ragged.

threepointplay · 03-15-2021, 07:46 AM

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Saka's hype is currently larger in the hobby than his current actual real life ability.

Immense talent, but there's players I'd take over him in a small squad for this tourney.

Between Chillwell, Barnes and Grealish (none of which are guaranteed starters) there's no need for Saka.

You could be right. I think a lot of it will depend on the formation Southgate is planning on. If he is going to play 3CBs then Saka as a wing-back & a back-up wide midfielder looks like a good squad option.

As I said, above I am biased; but he (alongside Smith-Rowe) basically picked up Arsenal off the ground in Dec/Jan and turned what was a total disaster of a season into an almost acceptable one. But I do appreciate at only 19 and with 50 senior games under his belt, it could be too early for him.

fadster · 03-15-2021, 07:48 AM

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I do like the look of Odegaard, but my big open question with him, is are he & Smith-Rowe too similar players and can they both play in the same together in the long term? Can you run a team with two no. 10s in it?

The club does not have the funds to buy Odegaard & then rotate him with Smith-Rowe, so I would like to see more of them playing together this season before making a final call.

[n.b. Arsenal season ticket holder & old-school NBA card collector here, who is starting to turn his attention towards 'soccer' cards].

He's done a decent job but I agree that in a summer where purse strings are tight it feels a luxury to have him and ESR together or rotating. I'd take him on loan for a second season (preferably with an option to buy) and spend on RB and CF, depending on sales I'd also look at replacing Xhaka.

threepointplay · 03-15-2021, 07:49 AM

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Personally, I'd take:

Pope, Pickford, Henderson
TAA, Walker, Stones, Maguire, Mings, Keane, Chilwell, Shaw
Henderson, Rice, Mount, Grealish, Foden
Kane, DCL, Rashford, Sancho, Sterling

That's 21, the final 2 spots would be between Trippier, Phillips, Maddison and Saka. If Southgate want's to play three at the back (which I hate) then I think Saka makes sense for his versatility (and the fact that Chilwell has been struggling a bit as a left wing back under Tuchel), I don't think there is room for him solely as a winger. In the case of 4 at the back I'd go for Trippier. If Maddison is fit I'd likely take him for the final spot. However as usual I suspect some big late-season injuries will shake things up anyway, some players are already looking pretty ragged.

I was typing at the same time; but we seem to have hit on the same point.

Your squad looks about right; no obvious omissions.

YayNJ · 03-15-2021, 08:06 AM

This would be my squad :

Pope, Pickford, Henderson
Trent, Walker, Stones, Keane, Maguire, Coady, Chilwell, Shaw
Philips, Rice, Mount, Grealish, Foden
Kane, Bamford, Rashford, Sancho, Sterling.

two from : Barnes, Maddison, Ward-Prowse, Mings, DCL, Saka.

No place for Jordan Henderson - He's been poor this season, way off the pace and shouldn't be a "gimmie". Southgate is pretty defensive, so Phillips in for me for Henderson, Ward-Prowse makes the stand-by.

Gin&Juice · 03-15-2021, 08:45 AM

I would be incredibly tempted to take 2 GK in order to get another of these deserving field players into the team. Heck, you always have Walker if you need him. Realize you can't do it but how frustrating for guys like Ward-Prowse, Watkins, and Maddison who might have their best chance right now.

YayNJ · 03-15-2021, 08:58 AM

Watkins is too similar (and lower quality) than what England already have. Kane, Sancho and Sterling all play where he would or could fit in.

DCL adds muscle and areal threat, Bamford offers close control, selfless play and defensive contributions.

threepointplay · 03-15-2021, 09:17 AM

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I would be incredibly tempted to take 2 GK in order to get another of these deserving field players into the team. Heck, you always have Walker if you need him. Realize you can't do it but how frustrating for guys like Ward-Prowse, Watkins, and Maddison who might have their best chance right now.

Unless the rules have been changed & missed it, I am pretty sure you have to take three GKs to the tournament. FIFA has always been worried about a GK getting injured during a tournament and a team then not being able to start a match with a reserve GK on the bench.

Gin&Juice · 03-15-2021, 09:19 AM

Agree- don't see a way into the squad for Watkins. Was more commenting that his odds are just going to get worse given his age. I really do think a healthy Maddison deserves a spot.

YayNJ · 03-16-2021, 05:31 PM

Belgian League votes to discuss merger with Dutch Eredivisie

mfw13 · 03-16-2021, 06:14 PM

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Belgian League votes to discuss merger with Dutch Eredivisie

They should really take it one step further and also merge with Ligue Un.

Would also like to see the Spanish and Portuguese 1st divisions merge.

mfw13 · 03-16-2021, 06:15 PM

So far the Champions League R16 has been fairly predictable, with Porto's upset of Juventus being the only moderately surprising result.

YayNJ · 03-16-2021, 06:58 PM

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They should really take it one step further and also merge with Ligue Un.

Would also like to see the Spanish and Portuguese 1st divisions merge.

Don't think Spain and Portugal need to merge, or France joining Holland and Belgium.

Scotland and Ireland would make sense.

Gin&Juice · 03-17-2021, 03:51 PM

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This would be my squad :

Pope, Pickford, Henderson
Trent, Walker, Stones, Keane, Maguire, Coady, Chilwell, Shaw
Philips, Rice, Mount, Grealish, Foden
Kane, Bamford, Rashford, Sancho, Sterling.

two from : Barnes, Maddison, Ward-Prowse, Mings, DCL, Saka.

No place for Jordan Henderson - He's been poor this season, way off the pace and shouldn't be a "gimmie". Southgate is pretty defensive, so Phillips in for me for Henderson, Ward-Prowse makes the stand-by.

Watching Reece James and Kieran Trippier and wondering if there is any tougher roster competition in the world than England RB? TAA, Walker, Trippier, AWB, Reece James, Matty Cash, James Justin (when healthy). Geez.

YayNJ · 03-17-2021, 04:26 PM

James Justin, Matty Cash etc are nowhere near the England team.

Southgate is apparently looking at calling up Luke Ayling from Leeds, and rightfully so - he's been one of the best players this season in defence, his stats are incredible this year.

Walker and Tripper are slowly getting phased out, AWB is/was allegedly opting to play for the DR Congo before this week so not sure what's happening with him yet.

The real future of RB for England will be Max Aarons & Tariq Lamptey if they progress.

fadster · 03-17-2021, 04:26 PM

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Watching Reece James and Kieran Trippier and wondering if there is any tougher roster competition in the world than England RB? TAA, Walker, Trippier, AWB, Reece James, Matty Cash, James Justin (when healthy). Geez.

https://www.planetfootball.com/quick...ate-the-euros/

How about an entire team of right backs

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fadster Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: London, UK Posts: 3,275 fadster	Some fourfourtwo writers chime in on what they think the England squad will look like at EURO 2020 https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features...ke-this-summer In the more attacking roles, all would take Kane, Sterling, Rashford, Sancho, Foden, Grealish and Mount. DCL makes six of the seven squads, Maddison four, Barnes two, Greenwood two and Saka one. __________________ IG: @goldenballrookies Last edited by fadster; 03-09-2021 at 10:05 AM.

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03-15-2021, 07:38 AM	#385
fadster Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: London, UK Posts: 3,275 fadster	Personally, I'd take: Pope, Pickford, Henderson TAA, Walker, Stones, Maguire, Mings, Keane, Chilwell, Shaw Henderson, Rice, Mount, Grealish, Foden Kane, DCL, Rashford, Sancho, Sterling That's 21, the final 2 spots would be between Trippier, Phillips, Maddison and Saka. If Southgate want's to play three at the back (which I hate) then I think Saka makes sense for his versatility (and the fact that Chilwell has been struggling a bit as a left wing back under Tuchel), I don't think there is room for him solely as a winger. In the case of 4 at the back I'd go for Trippier. If Maddison is fit I'd likely take him for the final spot. However as usual I suspect some big late season injuries will shake things up anyway, some players are already looking pretty ragged. __________________ IG: @goldenballrookies

03-15-2021, 08:06 AM	#389
YayNJ Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: London / Oahu Posts: 8,273 hanelcocards	This would be my squad : Pope, Pickford, Henderson Trent, Walker, Stones, Keane, Maguire, Coady, Chilwell, Shaw Philips, Rice, Mount, Grealish, Foden Kane, Bamford, Rashford, Sancho, Sterling. two from : Barnes, Maddison, Ward-Prowse, Mings, DCL, Saka. No place for Jordan Henderson - He's been poor this season, way off the pace and shouldn't be a "gimmie". Southgate is pretty defensive, so Phillips in for me for Henderson, Ward-Prowse makes the stand-by. Last edited by YayNJ; 03-15-2021 at 08:15 AM.

03-15-2021, 08:58 AM	#391
YayNJ Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: London / Oahu Posts: 8,273 hanelcocards	Watkins is too similar (and lower quality) than what England already have. Kane, Sancho and Sterling all play where he would or could fit in. DCL adds muscle and areal threat, Bamford offers close control, selfless play and defensive contributions. Last edited by YayNJ; 03-15-2021 at 09:01 AM.

03-15-2021, 08:45 AM	#390
Gin&Juice Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Yardley, PA Posts: 1,162 edelsteind	I would be incredibly tempted to take 2 GK in order to get another of these deserving field players into the team. Heck, you always have Walker if you need him. Realize you can't do it but how frustrating for guys like Ward-Prowse, Watkins, and Maddison who might have their best chance right now.

03-15-2021, 09:19 AM	#393
Gin&Juice Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Yardley, PA Posts: 1,162 edelsteind	Agree- don't see a way into the squad for Watkins. Was more commenting that his odds are just going to get worse given his age. I really do think a healthy Maddison deserves a spot.

03-16-2021, 05:31 PM	#394
YayNJ Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: London / Oahu Posts: 8,273 hanelcocards	Belgian League votes to discuss merger with Dutch Eredivisie

03-16-2021, 06:15 PM	#396
mfw13 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 17,373	So far the Champions League R16 has been fairly predictable, with Porto's upset of Juventus being the only moderately surprising result.

03-17-2021, 04:26 PM	#399
YayNJ Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: London / Oahu Posts: 8,273 hanelcocards	James Justin, Matty Cash etc are nowhere near the England team. Southgate is apparently looking at calling up Luke Ayling from Leeds, and rightfully so - he's been one of the best players this season in defence, his stats are incredible this year. Walker and Tripper are slowly getting phased out, AWB is/was allegedly opting to play for the DR Congo before this week so not sure what's happening with him yet. The real future of RB for England will be Max Aarons & Tariq Lamptey if they progress. Last edited by YayNJ; 03-17-2021 at 04:28 PM.