Keeper Champions- Official Fantasy Thread

[Hollywood42]

This is how it works when each team only gets a few keepers and they cost a certain draft pick. For teams like mine that don't think they can win a title this year, there's absolutely no incentive to keep players that can't be kept at the end of the year. Looking at the first trade I made, for example, obviously Jose Ramirez and Giancarlo Stanton are much more valuable than Eddie Rosario and Scooter Gennett if you ignore keeper values. But I couldn't keep Stanton and it doesn't make much sense to keep JoRam at the cost of a first rounder, so from my perspective, why hang onto them?

There's very, very few players out there that are elite caliber and also have a strong keeper value. Rosario was one of the few guys that I think had a nice mix of both- Top 6 outfielder on the year and only costs a 10th rounder to keep. Scooter has nice value too as a top 4 2B at very little cost to keep. Now neither of those guys are elite talents like Trout, JoRam, and so on- But all of those guys were taken in the first few rounds. I think I can count on one hand the number of players I'd consider to be top tier talents that don't cost more than a 5th rounder to keep. So what is someone like myself supposed to do? I didn't have enough solid keeper players to be able to buy enough high quality players to make a playoff run. It does me no good to hold high end talent. So basically the only option is to trade for the players that have the best combination of talents and keeper values. Again, you're not going to find top tier talents with strong keeper values because they were all drafted in the first few rounds

That's how these things go. Obviously my team lost out big time this year. But I wasn't going to finish in the top group of teams anyways. I've set my team up as best I can for next year and beyond and will have to try again next year. Sure, I could have held onto some of the guys I traded today, but again, there's absolutely no incentive to if I'm not going to win and I'd just have to throw them back into the player pool at the end of the year anyways. I'll also add that this actually promotes competition and parity because while teams like semmel got a big boost for the rest of this year, there's probably only one guy that he got from me in trade that would even be a decent option to keep for next year. So while he wins out over me this year, I get a leg up on him for next year

Originally Posted by ksmith31

I don't even like these trading lesser values for elite talent on the basis of them being a more "valuable" keeper. It already sends the league into an imbalance, adding draft pick trades to it, wild wild west.

Edit: Makes it even worse when the trades that are being accepted are incredibly unbalanced. Should at least have some sort of fairness on both sides.

[ksmith31]

That's fine and all...but the trades shouldn't be THIS unbalanced keeper or no keeper.

[Hollywood42]

You have to consider keeper values as part of the trades though. You can't just ignore the keeper value aspect of trades in a keeper league

On top of that, nobody's been willing to give better value than what I've gotten today. Believe me, I've been trying for like 2 weeks...

Originally Posted by ksmith31

That's fine and all...but the trades shouldn't be THIS unbalanced keeper or no keeper.

[ksemmel]

The other thing is with these trades, everyone is able to do them, but it’s not a trade friendly league.

I’ve probably sent at least one trade offer to everyone in this group. If they were lopsided I apologize, but sometimes my offers are feelers to see if people are even open to trading. I’ve posted on this thread many ones that I wanted to trade specific people, and just heard crickets (which is fine), but I’ve always been open about who I wanted to move and what I wanted in return.

It’s the best part of keeper league, I sold almost all of my valuable keeper assets in hopes to win this year. In another keeper league I took over a few weeks ago, I moved all my best pieces for keepers. It’s all about strategy to put your team in the best position to win, much like a farm system in real baseball

[nateyad]

Problem is there is zero incentive for a manager to come back if they don't win this year and trade out their entire keeper system. Honestly next year there needs to be a monetary commitment to the year after. Whether it be half the next year entry fee or all.

[ksemmel]

Originally Posted by nateyad

Problem is there is zero incentive for a manager to come back if they don't win this year and trade out their entire keeper system. Honestly next year there needs to be a monetary commitment to the year after. Whether it be half the next year entry fee or all.

I like this idea a lot

[Hollywood42]

That is a fair point

Originally Posted by nateyad

Problem is there is zero incentive for a manager to come back if they don't win this year and trade out their entire keeper system. Honestly next year there needs to be a monetary commitment to the year after. Whether it be half the next year entry fee or all.

[ksemmel]

Originally Posted by Hollywood42

That is a fair point

I think half makes sense. Then gives another owner "inheriting" a team an incentive that he doesn't have to pay full buy in

[Cornerstore]

I like that

[Ray27Ray52]

From the rules list:

No player without MLB experience is eligible to be kept.


Guys, I love to trade. I'm all about that action. But please for the love of god stop sending me offers that include guys that have no chance of being called up this year. I'll pucker up for a little bit of trade raping but if you keep doing this I'm just going to decline as soon as I get the notification.

[Hollywood42]

Trout still available for a strong keeper. Preferably a pitcher. Pretty content with my keepers as they stand, but always willing to trade if it makes sense

[Hollywood42]

Reminder to everyone that the trade deadline is noon (eastern) on August 18th. All trades must be accepted on ESPN by that point

[nateyad]

Gary Sanchez, worst accidental pick in history.

[Hollywood42]

That's 55 points I've left on the bench in the past 24 hours between Guerra and Roark Coulda used those

[Hollywood42]

Big W for me this week! Still a few weeks to go, but it's looking like I have a chance to get into the playoffs after all

I'm still looking to make a few trades before the deadline. I'd do a little bit of both buying and selling. Still have Trout and a few other pieces for guys looking for playoff rentals, but I also have more keepers than I can hang onto next year. Willing to move a few of them for a rental, or swap a few of my keepers for one higher quality keeper if any team out there doesn't have many options yet

[Viking6]

If anybody wants Arenado/Kenley Jansen/Syndergaard/Archer

Send me some possible keeper options.

[Firerunner4]

Lost by 10 this week, ugghhhh

[Hollywood42]

My team has really turned it on lately. Maybe I sold too early. McCullers trade sure hurts now But it's looking like I might get in to the playoffs. If I could finish in the money, I'd be ecstatic, given the trades I made earlier on in the year

Still open to do a bit of buying and selling at the deadline. Still looking for a strong pitching keeper, I could either do stud non keepers (see Trout), or send a few of my current keepers (I have more than I can hang onto right now)

[ksemmel]

Originally Posted by ksmith31

That's fine and all...but the trades shouldn't be THIS unbalanced keeper or no keeper.

...lol

[ksemmel]

I am a seller the rest of the year if anyone wants anyone on my team that isn't a keeper I am looking to move the following:

Blackmon
Stanton
Correa
Greinke
Severino
Lester
Realmuto

[Hollywood42]

Shoot me some offers for Realmuto, Lester, and/or Stanton

Originally Posted by ksemmel

I am a seller the rest of the year if anyone wants anyone on my team that isn't a keeper I am looking to move the following:

Blackmon
Stanton
Correa
Greinke
Severino
Lester
Realmuto

[Hollywood42]

Not sure what to make of some of these trades. They're going to be lopsided because one team is trading for top end talent that can't be kept while the other side is trading for players generally not nearly as good but with good keeper value. I don't think it's super necessary to include fluff that nobody wants to make it look nicer, but some of them are getting crazy

[ksemmel]

Originally Posted by Hollywood42

Not sure what to make of some of these trades. They're going to be lopsided because one team is trading for top end talent that can't be kept while the other side is trading for players generally not nearly as good but with good keeper value. I don't think it's super necessary to include fluff that nobody wants to make it look nicer, but some of them are getting crazy

I do agree. And these recent deals actually turned me from a buyer to a seller because I do not think I can compete anymore. That being said, I think as the league grows these trades will come down to earth a little bit. This first year is a feeling out process so 15th rd keepers are being held for a King's ransom. I think as members become more experienced, the trades may not be so lopsided.

[Viking6]

I think the trade deadline needs to be pushed up as well. It runs right up to the playoffs as it is.... Maybe go for July 31st next year? Or even a week or 2 before

[Hollywood42]

I'd agree that the should become better as we move on. And I fully recognize that I in part helped set the crazy market for keepers. My first few trades were very difficult because I really needed to sell to put my team in a good position for next year, but it felt like nobody was very willing to make any moves until I overpaid for some good options. I think my most recent trade was a little bit better since one side got 2 decent keepers and the other got 2 non-keepers, but maybe even that one could have been a bit better. But really the only way to improve it would have been to add more fluff on the keeper side, and then what's the point if they're not going to be kept anyways?

The two most recent deals are really showing that things are off, though. Albies is a pretty solid keeper, but Trea, Paxton, and Andujar is a huge return. Then with the most recent one, wow. Blackmon, Grienke, Daniel Murphy, and a decent closer for basically just Patrick Corbin? I can't imagine Happ or Leclerc would be anywhere close to keepers at this point. That's just an insane trade to go through

Not sure if there's really much we can do about it at this point, but hopefully we all learn better values and better trades as we get more experience!

Originally Posted by ksemmel

I do agree. And these recent deals actually turned me from a buyer to a seller because I do not think I can compete anymore. That being said, I think as the league grows these trades will come down to earth a little bit. This first year is a feeling out process so 15th rd keepers are being held for a King's ransom. I think as members become more experienced, the trades may not be so lopsided.

Yeah that's on me, the 18th was much later in the year than I realized when I set it. I'll do something in early August next year around, I definitely agree the deadline should be a lot earlier

Originally Posted by Viking6

I think the trade deadline needs to be pushed up as well. It runs right up to the playoffs as it is.... Maybe go for July 31st next year? Or even a week or 2 before