2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[Wade Mulroy]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

I wonder if anyone in this thread who believes in creationism has the courage to state they do.

You can add me to the list that absolutely does.

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

Says the guy who has internet accolades as his signature.

Says the guy unable to detect irony.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

Voluntarily believe? They are taught.

I always enjoyed this article. Don't get yourself into a frenzy because it is New York Times.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...textbooks.html

It is an interesting link and I'm not at all surprised about the differences.

That being said I'm confused as to what that had to do with belief in the creation story versus being taught the 1619 project.

Neither of those has anything to do with your link....

Yes people can voluntarily believe relgion. It's not like in school where you are taught something and must pass a test on that to continue on. At that point it is not voluntary. It is mandated that you learn and show competency. That is the difference.

I hope you're not advocating for self-proclaimed revisionist propaganda to be taught in schools.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

I do.


But I also don’t advocate for its teaching in school. The difference between creationism and 1619 project is that people voluntarily believe the creation story. 1619 project is manufactured propaganda that is being taught to students to indoctrinate them.

Huge difference. The biggest difference.

Religion as a whole was manufactured to indoctrinate...so that difference isn't exclusive to beliefs like the 1619 Project.

Faith is faith, people place it in certain things, in certain levels and show it in certain ways.

Now, everything said, there is a lot of revisionist history when it comes to the 1619 Project no doubt. It's not merely an attempt to tell history from a different side, that is its primary flaw.

History (like virtually all things...including politics) from opposing views is incredibly important. Only recently have we been teaching history from opposing (including the losing sides) sides.

All in all, you can't argue with faith. And I don't intend to do so.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

It is an interesting link and I'm not at all surprised about the differences.

That being said I'm confused as to what that had to do with belief in the creation story versus being taught the 1619 project.

Neither of those has anything to do with your link....

Yes people can voluntarily believe relgion. It's not like in school where you are taught something and must pass a test on that to continue on. At that point it is not voluntary. It is mandated that you learn and show competency. That is the difference.

I hope you're not advocating for self-proclaimed revisionist propaganda to be taught in schools.

Anyone could to the time to study and pass a test on Christianity without believing it.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by discostu

Anyone could to the time to study and pass a test on Christianity without believing it.

But the point being no public school does this. It is not forced upon students by the state or federal government.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by discostu

Anyone could to the time to study and pass a test on Christianity without believing it.

Yes, they could, however, that isn't mandated by California schools and written into their curriculum.

You are missing the forest for the trees.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by discostu

Religion as a whole was manufactured to indoctrinate...so that difference isn't exclusive to beliefs like the 1619 Project.

Faith is faith, people place it in certain things, in certain levels and show it in certain ways.

Now, everything said, there is a lot of revisionist history when it comes to the 1619 Project no doubt. It's not merely an attempt to tell history from a different side, that is its primary flaw.

History (like virtually all things...including politics) from opposing views is incredibly important. Only recently have we been teaching history from opposing (including the losing sides) sides.

All in all, you can't argue with faith. And I don't intend to do so.

No, you can't argue with faith, but you do intend to make sure you take your shots at "religion as a whole" while in the same breath, excusing the determined effort with project 1619 to create revisionist propaganda.

Nice chatting though

[BTownCards]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

Record 7,423 US bombs dropped in Afghanistan in 2019: Report

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/...142958633.html

Dropping bombs on terrorists’ heads does not bother me. Bush, Obama, and Trump all have done so. I do have an issue when civilians are killed but, unfortunately, that is what happens. The fact is that America does take precautions against civilian casualties but these horrible errors do occur. Try again with your Google search links with ‘Putin Trump Russian Bounty’.

Why would I go look up something that has already existed for 40-50 years at least ?

Having memebers in the armed forces, it isn’t news sadly. I don’t expect anything less.

I thought Trump was working with Russia though that’s a little counter narrative ?

Or is that part of the deal?

Put bounty’s on us to make it look like you don’t like us, so then the American Democrat’s can say look “ Russia is putting bounty’s on American heads !” It doesn’t make any sense why you bring that up lol.


Let me ask though, back to the topic at hand, so you are going to just totally step over the fact Obama was glorifying his killings of those children? Here’s some not so warm fuzzy HuffPost -

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_4...Q24FA307rHDFvx


Imagine if any President today said this “Turns out I’m really good at killing people,” Obama said quietly, “Didn’t know that was gonna be a strong suit of mine.”

I guess a week later he killed a 16 yr old American citizen with a strike.

It’s just astounding the ability Hypocrites have and the selective memory they posses.

Sad to see really, keep trusting your politicians and they will either put you or your children in the ground prematurely. It’s a proven fact.

My point of reply was to show you that your prior post about enjoying Obama over McCain wasn’t really a great look as far as killing goes, but there is more important things than killing people right ?!?!!


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[discostu]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

Yes, they could, however, that isn't mandated by California schools and written into their curriculum.

You are missing the forest for the trees.

Am I really missing the forest through the trees? Was this what the trees were telling me?

" It's not like in school where you are taught something and must pass a test on that to continue on. At that point it is not voluntary. It is mandated that you learn and show competency. That is the difference. "

Merely stating that being tested on something
where competency is mandated as part of the curriculum, it doesn't make it indoctrination.

We all learned things that we don't believe. Throughout school and the rest of our lives.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I mean, that kind of stuff happens ... L Ron Hubbard drew a bit on Freud but largely created his own thing. People swooped in.

What was amazing to me was the tone in which OG asked his question. As if being Christian is some kind of embarrassing position in today's world where the best place to practice your religion is quietly and in hiding, lest you be ridiculed by the masses for being "outed".

The United States is comprised of more than 200 million Christians at last count. Better than 60% the entire population (down considerably from 2001 however). An amazing question and one that kicks rcmb off the signature.

It is the elitist way though. You ridicule what you don’t like or see as below you.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by discostu

Am I really missing the forest through the trees? Was this what the trees were telling me?

" It's not like in school where you are taught something and must pass a test on that to continue on. At that point it is not voluntary. It is mandated that you learn and show competency. That is the difference. "

Merely stating that being tested on something
where competency is mandated as part of the curriculum, it doesn't make it indoctrination.

We all learned things that we don't believe. Throughout school and the rest of our lives.

Yes you are.

When that “thing” is revisionist propaganda and it’s a mandated part of the curriculum, you’re missing the forest.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

What an amazing request in 2020. "Does anyone have the courage to say they're Christian?"

Wow.

What are you talking about? Do you really think every Christian believes in creationism? You’re actually saying that if you’re a Christian you need to believe in creationism? Really? To even draw that line is the utmost of ridiculousness.

Keep my question in your signature. It makes YOU look like an insufferable know-it-all.

[BTownCards]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

It is an interesting link and I'm not at all surprised about the differences.

That being said I'm confused as to what that had to do with belief in the creation story versus being taught the 1619 project.

Neither of those has anything to do with your link....

Yes people can voluntarily believe relgion. It's not like in school where you are taught something and must pass a test on that to continue on. At that point it is not voluntary. It is mandated that you learn and show competency. That is the difference.

I hope you're not advocating for self-proclaimed revisionist propaganda to be taught in schools.

Some people don’t read the articles you provide, they read the “topic” or what they think you are talking about then send you back an article that has nothing to do with what you were talking about...or at least that’s what just happened to me.


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[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

It is the elitist way though. You ridicule what you don’t like or see as below you.

Aren’t you ridiculing 1619? Or is that okay to do because it’s your interpretation of things?

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

Says the guy who has internet accolades as his signature.



Voluntarily believe? They are taught.

I always enjoyed this article. Don't get yourself into a frenzy because it is New York Times.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...textbooks.html



I am Christian. What's the issue?

If you don’t check all the boxes that these experts have laid out you apparently can’t be one.

[jlzinck]

2 years ago we had a local Police Officer killed in a line of duty by someone who should have already been in a cage for life or gunned down like a god. No redeeming worth as a human being.
As a result I have been hanging a Blue Line American flag on my garage.

This week a part time resident was walking their dogs and stopped to talk.
They asked me why I was "flying that divisive flag"

I explained and they told me that the flag supports police brutality. I told them they were wrong and asked the last time there was any brutality in our town.

Crickets.

All they while they fly a BLM flag and take it down when they leave.

Silly wabbits

[gopherfan]

Originally Posted by rcmb3220

Show me where I put words in your mouth before the post you quoted.

You said you didn’t have a problem defending him, so let’s hear your defense.

I know this is from a week or more ago.

Can I say that I am 100% against him showing up with a rifle. But defend his actions from that point forward?

From most of what I have read, he did everything possible to avoid the first confrontation, running away and only firing when he felt he couldn't escape.

He did the same with the second and third shootings. He didn't wildly spray bullets everywhere, he found the dangerous (to him) targets and shot them.

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by jlzinck

2 years ago we had a local Police Officer killed in a line of duty by someone who should have already been in a cage for life or gunned down like a god. No redeeming worth as a human being.
As a result I have been hanging a Blue Line American flag on my garage.

This week a part time resident was walking their dogs and stopped to talk.
They asked me why I was "flying that divisive flag"

I explained and they told me that the flag supports police brutality. I told them they were wrong and asked the last time there was any brutality in our town.

Crickets.

All they while they fly a BLM flag and take it down when they leave.

Silly wabbits

You WILL think like us!

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by jlzinck

2 years ago we had a local Police Officer killed in a line of duty by someone who should have already been in a cage for life or gunned down like a god. No redeeming worth as a human being.
As a result I have been hanging a Blue Line American flag on my garage.

This week a part time resident was walking their dogs and stopped to talk.
They asked me why I was "flying that divisive flag"

I explained and they told me that the flag supports police brutality. I told them they were wrong and asked the last time there was any brutality in our town.

Crickets.

All they while they fly a BLM flag and take it down when they leave.

Silly wabbits

Why people need to be for BLM and against police makes no sense. Why can’t they support both?

[Timmay]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Why people need to be for BLM and against police makes no sense. Why can’t they support both?

Go to a BLM protest and support the police. You will find out why pretty quickly.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Aren’t you ridiculing 1619? Or is that okay to do because it’s your interpretation of things?

No, it’s highly criticized throughout historical circles as being inaccurate. Even by the fact checkers that were working on the project.

I have no issue with fictional reimagining, but that it not what Project 1619.
I’m not ridiculing, I’m echoing the intended factual inaccuracy of it to paint an idealized narrative.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_1619_Project

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by Timmay

Go to a BLM protest and support the police. You will find out why pretty quickly.

I have to protest to take part?

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

I wonder if anyone in this thread who believes in creationism has the courage to state they do.

Evangelical Christians
Muslims
Native Americans
Most Indigenous groups

In fact, there is a large faction of Native Americans who find Western evolutionary science to be incredibly racist and offensive. Modern science argues that Native Americans originated elsewhere and then migrated to the Americas—which flies in the face of their deeply-held beliefs that they were created and originated on the land they claim. Indigenous scholars like Vine Deloria Jr build careers and held major university chairs while arguing against modern science.

Additionally, creationism didn’t become a major part of evangelicalism until the 1960s. (See: Ronald Number’s The Creationists) The initial conflict between evangelicalism and evolution had almost nothing to do with the actual science, the argument was over how the theory devalued human life by placing it on the level of animals. Especially in the midst of two World Wars and the brutal loss of life, many conservative religious folk weren’t upset by science at all—but they were determined to defend the idea that human life meant something. That it had intrinsic value far beyond that of plants and animals. And as the wars showed us how science could take the art of slaughtering humans far beyond any religious crusade or inquisition (the machine gun, poison gas, the Holocaust, fire bombings, the atomic bomb, etc), this insistence that humans mattered only gained more and more importance to them.

But this insistence was focused on issues of value until the 1960s when two influential books on “Flood Geology” began arguing that there was scientific proof for creationism. Then the debate began to look more like we see to today.

[Timmay]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

I have to protest to take part?

You just have to attend holding a sign that says, BLM and Police lives matter. And please record it.