SGC Grading

[Jsquared123]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

The problem with these specials, is that you are competing against everyone else sending in the same 2023 Topps to make money as well. So much crappy base being slabbed from people trying to make a dollar on a 25-cent card by paying $9. If you put "SGC 2023 Topps" into eBay, you get over 2400 results and it will continue to get worse.

SGC is fine for subbing vintage to make money, but it is a PC company for anything newer than that unless it is truly rare or desired. If all you care about is money, you would be silly to use anything but PSA unless you have some pre-war cards, which SGC can compete with PSA.

These specials by SGC are absolutely idiotic in my opinion. All it does for the company is make them look like a crap grading company with tons of base 2023 Topps cards slabbed on eBay. All SGC is doing is trying to get flippers to pay $9 to grade cards that should never be graded, and this is successful from all the crap you see on eBay. Can't wait for their next crappy special to get more 10 cent cards into slabs.

It's smart business on the SGC side. They've graded well over 10k cards at last check under that special and that number is only going up.

We know they don't care that the market is going to be (if not already) flooded with base Adley rookies among others, they're laughing all the way to the bank.

That being said, the more cards in SGC slabs, the better it is for their product/service. Can you blame them? Flippers gonna flip..

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by Jsquared123

It's smart business on the SGC side. They've graded well over 10k cards at last check under that special and that number is only going up.

We know they don't care that the market is going to be (if not already) flooded with base Adley rookies among others, they're laughing all the way to the bank.

That being said, the more cards in SGC slabs, the better it is for their product/service. Can you blame them? Flippers gonna flip..

That last part I don't know about. It was my same argument when CSG was grading for $8 at the height of the insanity. If you search ebay sales and cards available, it shows a bunch of junk in their slabs. The average sales history looks horrible as well. It gives the impression that SGC is for low end cards. This only helps PSA as they have more higher end cards in their slabs and a stronger per card sales history. CSG suffered from this in the beginning when people were sending in crap to try to make a dollar during the boom.

[Jsquared123]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

That last part I don't know about. It was my same argument when CSG was grading for $8 at the height of the insanity. If you search ebay sales and cards available, it shows a bunch of junk in their slabs. The average sales history looks horrible as well. It gives the impression that SGC is for low end cards. This only helps PSA as they have more higher end cards in their slabs and a stronger per card sales history. CSG suffered from this in the beginning when people were sending in crap to try to make a dollar during the boom.

I don't disagree with some of that but unlike CSG, SGC has established themselves as a very reliable and accurate grading service for vintage and prewar. The sale of the 52T 311 and the buzz from The National last year garnered a ton of press for them. CSG doesn't really have anything they can point to in that realm.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by splitrockgamer

Unless you PC SGC, dont EVER EVER grade with SGC. If you want to sell then do PSA, because SGC is an absolute joke. If a modern gets a SGC 10 it sells for about raw plus maybe $5.

I can't believe what a hold PSA has, I made the mistake of sending some to SGC when PSA was shut down and I said I would never again. Then of course I seen the 2023 topps special and was like lets do it. Quick turnaround cheap grading can't fail right? Nope I hit 15/23 SGC 10s and after selling fees probably won't even cover grading.

SGC IS WORTHLESS THIS IS YOUR WARNING IF YOU HAVE NOT USED SGC AND ARE WONDERING. DO PSA ONLY PSA ONLY if you want to sell and make money.

Yeah. It's not really as bad as all that. You do you, though...

[atk825]

Originally Posted by splitrockgamer

Unless you PC SGC, dont EVER EVER grade with SGC. If you want to sell then do PSA, because SGC is an absolute joke. If a modern gets a SGC 10 it sells for about raw plus maybe $5.

I can't believe what a hold PSA has, I made the mistake of sending some to SGC when PSA was shut down and I said I would never again. Then of course I seen the 2023 topps special and was like lets do it. Quick turnaround cheap grading can't fail right? Nope I hit 15/23 SGC 10s and after selling fees probably won't even cover grading.

SGC IS WORTHLESS THIS IS YOUR WARNING IF YOU HAVE NOT USED SGC AND ARE WONDERING. DO PSA ONLY PSA ONLY if you want to sell and make money.

I mean I hate to tell you but ultra modern base cards in PSA slabs also go for dirt cheap. If you have 23 cards from 2023 Topps actually worth grading, you must really be cracking a lot of product or buying singles up the wazoo.

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by Jsquared123

I don't disagree with some of that but unlike CSG, SGC has established themselves as a very reliable and accurate grading service for vintage and prewar. The sale of the 52T 311 and the buzz from The National last year garnered a ton of press for them. CSG doesn't really have anything they can point to in that realm.

Until recently, investors and flippers didn't care about vintage. SGC is taken a bit more seriously now because of the new trend of influencers getting involved in vintage. CSG is nothing but a great PC slab company and caters towards collectors with a registry. They also have a huge issue with their slabs not accommodating all card sizes and they have to BVG style slab them with crimped plastic sleeves or just outright not slab slightly oversized early Topps cards because they won't fit in their holders. CSG got into the 52T 311 game by buying a PSA 7.5 and putting it in a CSG 8 slab and throwing it on SCP Auctions. It sold for $1.25 million.

Grading is out of control at this point, but I do it for collecting. I would slab a ton of 1951 Topps Red/Blue Backs with SGC, but $20 is just insane. If you are listening SGC, have a 1951 Topps Red/Blue back special! You would make dozens of people happy.

[The_Reverend]

I am not an SGC fan, but they can be used effectively. I was at the Dallas Card Show and they were accepting submissions at $20.40 per card with 5 day TAT I believe. I submitted 3 red PMG’s and 2 Young Guns Black. Why? Pop zero on them from any company. PMG’s pop with the black insert. The cards went in their system 3/11.

[atk825]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

I am not an SGC fan, but they can be used effectively. I was at the Dallas Card Show and they were accepting submissions at $20.40 per card with 5 day TAT I believe. I submitted 3 red PMG’s and 2 Young Guns Black. Why? Pop zero on them from any company. PMG’s pop with the black insert. The cards went in their system 3/11.

Yeah, they have definitely built out a niche on quick turnaround, good customer service and competitive deals. They aren't PSA but I don't think they are trying to be. And they do have a value add and their slabs move just fine when it's the right card.

[sandlotsportcards]

My 9 card order was received on March 7, graded by March 9, and shipped back today. Crazy turn around time. I figured I could squeeze a little money out of the cards I sent with grading only being $9. I didn't check the grades, would prefer to be surprised. My 16 card PSA submission arrived on March 3 and was just received today.

[CheapThief]

Originally Posted by splitrockgamer

Unless you PC SGC, dont EVER EVER grade with SGC. If you want to sell then do PSA, because SGC is an absolute joke. If a modern gets a SGC 10 it sells for about raw plus maybe $5.

I can't believe what a hold PSA has, I made the mistake of sending some to SGC when PSA was shut down and I said I would never again. Then of course I seen the 2023 topps special and was like lets do it. Quick turnaround cheap grading can't fail right? Nope I hit 15/23 SGC 10s and after selling fees probably won't even cover grading.

SGC IS WORTHLESS THIS IS YOUR WARNING IF YOU HAVE NOT USED SGC AND ARE WONDERING. DO PSA ONLY PSA ONLY if you want to sell and make money.

Not sure this is 100% accurate, but I agree with the general sentiment. If you're grading cards to make money, and you're using more than one company, then you're making this a lot harder then it needs to be.

[atk825]

Originally Posted by CheapThief

Not sure this is 100% accurate, but I agree with the general sentiment. If you're grading cards to make money, and you're using more than one company, then you're making this a lot harder then it needs to be.

There's a market for people to make money by being able to flip their graded cards in a quick manner. There's plenty of people selling base SGC dimes of the rookies from 2023 for like $25. SGC has graded 15,000 2023 topps cards while PSA has a total pop of 134...and those were likely graded at a higher submission level.

[87toppsproject]

I just received my 21-card 2023 Topps Series 1 Special sub. I knew the results prior to opening the package and was pleased with the results especially since two of the cards were going into my PC.

7 of the cards have fingerprints on the fronts of the cards. Some of the cards have 2 or 3 fingerprints.

2 of the cards, Ohtani Aces (both 10s), have debris floating around. I was going to keep one and sell one, but there is no way I can sell them with black strands right in front. I have graded with SGC once before and was pleased with the results and the sale prices were decent. I will not grade with them for the foreseeable future as this is too much of a hassle. Of those 9 cards, 2 were PC cards with a total value of around $85, and the other cards are around $175.00 in completed eBay sales value.

I suppose this is a case of where you get what you pay for.

/end rant, hopping off my soapbox.

[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by splitrockgamer

Unless you PC SGC, dont EVER EVER grade with SGC. If you want to sell then do PSA, because SGC is an absolute joke. If a modern gets a SGC 10 it sells for about raw plus maybe $5.

I can't believe what a hold PSA has, I made the mistake of sending some to SGC when PSA was shut down and I said I would never again. Then of course I seen the 2023 topps special and was like lets do it. Quick turnaround cheap grading can't fail right? Nope I hit 15/23 SGC 10s and after selling fees probably won't even cover grading.

SGC IS WORTHLESS THIS IS YOUR WARNING IF YOU HAVE NOT USED SGC AND ARE WONDERING. DO PSA ONLY PSA ONLY if you want to sell and make money.

You paid them to grade them and that is what they did. Do you think you are entitled to 23/23 10s?

[CheapThief]

Originally Posted by rfgilles

You paid them to grade them and that is what they did. Do you think you are entitled to 23/23 10s?

All he said is that the gem rate didn't justify the submission price.

[87toppsproject]

Originally Posted by 87toppsproject

I just received my 21-card 2023 Topps Series 1 Special sub. I knew the results prior to opening the package and was pleased with the results especially since two of the cards were going into my PC.

7 of the cards have fingerprints on the fronts of the cards. Some of the cards have 2 or 3 fingerprints.

2 of the cards, Ohtani Aces (both 10s), have debris floating around. I was going to keep one and sell one, but there is no way I can sell them with black strands right in front. I have graded with SGC once before and was pleased with the results and the sale prices were decent. I will not grade with them for the foreseeable future as this is too much of a hassle. Of those 9 cards, 2 were PC cards with a total value of around $85, and the other cards are around $175.00 in completed eBay sales value.

I suppose this is a case of where you get what you pay for.

/end rant, hopping off my soapbox.

Just an update.

I sent SGC a message last night and woke up this morning to a reply email. After a couple correspondences they sent me a return shipping label and said they will wipe off the smudges, remove debris and re-slab the cards for me.

[atk825]

Originally Posted by CheapThief

All he said is that the gem rate didn't justify the submission price.

PSA giving out a bunch of soft 10s because they don't have a 9.5 grade is likely why so many people like them.

[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by CheapThief

All he said is that the gem rate didn't justify the submission price.

The gem rate has nothing to do with submission price. Gem rate should be based solely on card condition.

[sandlotsportcards]

My 9 card submission arrived yesterday. The one card I figured wouldn’t gem didn’t but was still happy.

AL HR League Leaders Foil 9.5
Adley Rutschman RC 9.5
Adley Rutschman RC 10
Gunnar Henderson RC 10
Vaughn Grissom RC 10
Vaughn Grissom RC 10
Oscar Gonzalez RC 10
Oscar Gonzalez RC 10
James Outman Baseball Stars RC Auto 10/10

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by sandlotsportcards

My 9 card order was received on March 7, graded by March 9, and shipped back today. Crazy turn around time. I figured I could squeeze a little money out of the cards I sent with grading only being $9. I didn't check the grades, would prefer to be surprised. My 16 card PSA submission arrived on March 3 and was just received today.

I will keep everyone updated. The system says they were received into their system, dropped off at show, but have not seen an update yet. I dropped out to BGS and they marked over to grading on 03/13. I would assume that is the same thing with SGC, but my account has not been updated.

[TXRunner]

Does SGC ever run any specials (non Pokemon or Topps S1) where they lower the minimum amount to get $20 or below pricing? I want to try them out, but only want to send like 5-10 cards.

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by TXRunner

Does SGC ever run any specials (non Pokemon or Topps S1) where they lower the minimum amount to get $20 or below pricing? I want to try them out, but only want to send like 5-10 cards.

I wouldn't count on it unless they get real desperate for submissions and they lower prices across the board. They will continue some specials for TCG to increase their submission rate for that, which is poor, and also new releases. I don't think we will see anything like PSA used to do like 80's baseball.

[atk825]

Originally Posted by TXRunner

Does SGC ever run any specials (non Pokemon or Topps S1) where they lower the minimum amount to get $20 or below pricing? I want to try them out, but only want to send like 5-10 cards.

Go through Boca Card Subs and it's $19 a card. He lives right next to SGC, so the cards hit the mail only from you and back to you. I have used him numerous times and he has been great. I have had to get a couple slabs fixed because a variation was mislabeled and he's right on it. I'm sure tons would vouch for him as well.

[TXRunner]

Originally Posted by atk825

Go through Boca Card Subs and it's $19 a card. He lives right next to SGC, so the cards hit the mail only from you and back to you. I have used him numerous times and he has been great. I have had to get a couple slabs fixed because a variation was mislabeled and he's right on it. I'm sure tons would vouch for him as well.

Just checked them out. Thanks for that info. I may try to submit through them. I am trying to do a comparison of similar cards between PSA and SGC.

I like how you can also order supplies to be shipped back to you with your cards. Some of those prices are really good to.

[atk825]

Originally Posted by TXRunner

Just checked them out. Thanks for that info. I may try to submit through them. I am trying to do a comparison of similar cards between PSA and SGC.

I like how you can also order supplies to be shipped back to you with your cards. Some of those prices are really good to.

Also, if you ship your cards to him in Card Savers, he will send you back the card savers.

The only sort of thing I have done with PSA so far is that I have gotten a few low numbered PSA 9 cards that looked really clean. Cracked them both and got SGC 10s. I think there's definitely things each company takes more seriously than the others.

[TXRunner]

Originally Posted by atk825

Also, if you ship your cards to him in Card Savers, he will send you back the card savers.

The only sort of thing I have done with PSA so far is that I have gotten a few low numbered PSA 9 cards that looked really clean. Cracked them both and got SGC 10s. I think there's definitely things each company takes more seriously than the others.

Thanks again. I am looking to send some 1990 Marvel Universe. I sent some pack fresh cards to them that appeared to have no flaws. But since they are a little older, I have a feeling PSA will find something wrong with them. I curious to see how SGC treats them.