Patrick Mahomes Prices

[JRX]

Originally Posted by Yanks23

I also have wondered in today NFL with QB getting so much more $$ than before will QBs want to play until 40's if I made $500M already. I guess if Mahomes is still healthy in late 30's and chasing Brady he would continue but given he would have made well over $500M by then why risk the long term health.

Well if you assume it keeps growing, QBs might get 100M a year in 10 years. Would you play one year for a 100M etc?

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by Fenway55

I know facts can sometimes be darned inconvenient things, but I have steadfastly stated the following:

1) No intelligent person can deny that Mahomes is on a downward trajectory statistically over the past 2 years.

2) His stats were so great his first 5 years that his "downward trajectory" still makes him one of the best in the League.

3) Downward trajectories can certainly be reversed. But right here, right now, February 2025, no intelligent person can deny that Mahomes is on a downward trajectory statistically over the past 2 years.

It is hilarious how upset some people get over the above statements of fact. They get absolutely outraged at anyone who dares say Mahomes is "only" a top-5 QB in the League. Anyone who doesn't state that Mahomes is, was and always will be the best of the best is labelled a "hater".

If you're going to respond, at least try to be accurate. You didn't say Mahomes statistics were on a downward trajectory. You said his career was. I know facts are hard but feel free to go back and read your own quote.

Again, stating that someone who just went 15-1 in the regular season and had the best record in the NFL is on a "downward trajectory" is just stupid. But feel free to defend that stance. Has the team changed their style of play? Yep. Do they take less deep shots down the field? Yep. Are they winning as much as they have been under Mahomes? Yep.

Personally I couldn't care less who people think is the GOAT in football. It's a dumb arguement to have. I think Lawrence Taylor is the best defensive player ever. Others make fine cases for Reggie White or Bruce Smith or many others. That's fine as well. I doubt anyone's opinion is going to change becuase someone on an internet forum told them they're wrong.

[Brian W]

Cold list...sell sell sell!!!! Just kidding Mahomes will be fine...his cards will always be sought after....Still a great quarterback... Despite opinions on both sides!

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[Yanks23]

Originally Posted by JRX

Well if you assume it keeps growing, QBs might get 100M a year in 10 years. Would you play one year for a 100M etc?

Given how players are yes they will continue to play unless they are forced to stop. There are very few that walk away like Barry did. I'm just curious given how much more money qb are making today vs even 5 years ago will any of them just walk away and say im set before my health gets worse.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by Yanks23

Given how players are yes they will continue to play unless they are forced to stop. There are very few that walk away like Barry did. I'm just curious given how much more money qb are making today vs even 5 years ago will any of them just walk away and say im set before my health gets worse.

Its all relative though. Today it looks like a lot, but 10-15 years from now it could look small relative to what younger QBs make.

[slyguy]

Originally Posted by Yanks23

Given how players are yes they will continue to play unless they are forced to stop. There are very few that walk away like Barry did. I'm just curious given how much more money qb are making today vs even 5 years ago will any of them just walk away and say im set before my health gets worse.

Heck no. Not at all. Completely disagree.

They get PAID IN COLLEGE now!

No more borrowing a ton in college and then paying that off with interest once pro. They make NIL as well as team/individual money in NCAA. They make even more a pros.

You will see many more guys who are half smart make good money in college, invest that, play a few years in pros, invest that, and retire in their 20s (esp if they get an injury or concussion scare or two).

If anything, most all time records (Rice yards, Bruce Smith sacks, etc) are safer than ever - even with 17 and soon 18 games/yr. There is just little incentive for most of the young guys now to play to a late age when they're injured and trying to push themselves through late career. Nope.

[Yanks23]

Originally Posted by slyguy

Heck no. Not at all. Completely disagree.

They get PAID IN COLLEGE now!

No more borrowing a ton in college and then paying that off with interest once pro. They make NIL as well as team/individual money in NCAA. They make even more a pros.

You will see many more guys who are half smart make good money in college, invest that, play a few years in pros, invest that, and retire in their 20s (esp if they get an injury or concussion scare or two).

If anything, most all time records (Rice yards, Bruce Smith sacks, etc) are safer than ever - even with 17 and soon 18 games/yr. There is just little incentive for most of the young guys now to play to a late age when they're injured and trying to push themselves through late career. Nope.

i agree with what you are saying. I was wondering how all the money that current qb - Mahomes and others are making today will influence their decisions to continue to play into late 30s to 40s as other qb have done. I believe all this money qb are making today will have impact on how long some guys will play in the future vs just 5 to 10 years ago.

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

If you're going to respond, at least try to be accurate. You didn't say Mahomes statistics were on a downward trajectory. You said his career was. I know facts are hard but feel free to go back and read your own quote.

Yes, his career and his stats are on a downward trajectory. I am not saying he can't turn it around but seriously, man.... just look at the numbers. The guy didn't even get selected for the Pro Bowl this year. I have repeatedly stated his numbers were so great in the past that even a downward trend keeps him near the top of the League - but the downward trend cannot be denied.

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

Again, stating that someone who just went 15-1 in the regular season and had the best record in the NFL is on a "downward trajectory" is just stupid.

Ah yes, the old Mahomes 2-step.

When others talk about stats, focus on record.
When others talk about record, focus on stats.

Yes we get it. They were a phenomenally lucky 15-1 this year (prior to the final game where they rested starters). And all sorts of KC fans kept whistling past the graveyard thinking they were really that great when the stats showed a team who probably should have had 11 or 12 wins. Then they got exposed this past Sunday.

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

But feel free to defend that stance. Has the team changed their style of play? Yep. Do they take less deep shots down the field? Yep. Are they winning as much as they have been under Mahomes? Yep.

They may have had the best record this season but I can think of one recent game they didn't win...

[pejc300]

Is no one considering that maybe he loves to play football? You think Brady kept playing for the money? Is Lebron playing for the money? Ya'll are acting like once you get rich, you just stop doing the things you love. Mahomes wants to be great. The only way he'll hang them up early is if he's just too injured or some other life event happens. He's not Andrew Luck. I hope he doesn't stick around long enough to do what Aaron Rodgers has done the last two years, but if you all think he's done by 35 you're crazy. He loves football and wants to be a legend.

[slyguy]

Originally Posted by pejc300

Is no one considering that maybe he loves to play football? You think Brady kept playing for the money? Is Lebron playing for the money? Ya'll are acting like once you get rich, you just stop doing the things you love. Mahomes wants to be great. The only way he'll hang them up early is if he's just too injured or some other life event happens. He's not Andrew Luck. I hope he doesn't stick around long enough to do what Aaron Rodgers has done the last two years, but if you all think he's done by 35 you're crazy. He loves football and wants to be a legend.

Yes... for the potential all-time greats.
They will play awhile.
And those top stars also happen to be making "your whole family is set for another generation for every additional year you play" money.

But for the vast majority of normal NFL players and ok-not-great ones? No.
Many guys will now be set for life with just NCAA money + their rook contract NFL.
You will see many earlier retirements... even a good amount of non-injury ones. Even some good ones will step away like Aaron Donald or Barry or Calvin Johnson... it's FAR more financially possible now.

It all comes down to follow the money for 99% of them. They get paid [well] in college now.

Originally Posted by pejc300

... Ya'll are acting like once you get rich, you just stop doing the things you love. ...

I sure as hell will stop. (and my job has 0.000x% risk of head/ortho trauma)

99% of pro players think that way too. It's money... pure and simple.

None of them want to be carted off or CTE if they don't have to be.

Very few will keep rolling the dice once they don't need to. A few will go for legacy/GOAT, but most absolutely won't. Wait and see.

[daveyc1]

Originally Posted by 2010GBPackers

That's a bit hyperbolic. The truth is the Eagles were getting good pressure with their front 4, but Mahomes was also holding the ball for far too long and seemed confused and rattled by the slightest bit of pressure. I think his indecisiveness was as much of an issue as the Eagles pressuring him.

And let's not act like Mahomes is some statue. He has shown the ability to scramble throughout his career and had many opportunities to get out of the pocket last night. He just didn't.



You're going to have a high pressure rate when you hold the ball this long:

From The Athletic - Through three quarters Sunday, Mahomes held the ball longer, on average, than he had in all but one career start (3.65 seconds). That shrunk to 3.30 by game's end, thanks to garbage-time production.



Preach!



Agreed. This was another instance of great teams (Eagles) beating great schemes (Chiefs). Whether folks want to admit it or not, Mahomes has been throwing to schematically open receivers since 2022. As I mentioned in my previous response to a poster, I'd like to see Mahomes return to his true self in the near future. I do wonder if it's been conditioned out of him at this point as their success had depended less on their players than their scheme(s). Mahomes will most likely have to play 8+ years for a coach who won't come close to Reid's level. That is where the rubber will hit the road. The Tyreek's and Kelce's can be replaced. Reid cannot.

As the regular posters in here know, I already have him ahead of Brady because, to me, Brady was the ultimate "system" QB. He had great intellect, but nothing else to marvel at. Mahomes has shown to have greater skill than pure system QB's do, though he's had to play like that the past three years. Manning (my #1 QB all-time) and Rodgers never had anything close to the coaches or systems both Brady and Mahomes have had and why I have them higher than most people do. All QB's who've won 3+ SB's have one thing in common - tippy-top of the mountain head coaches -

Bradshaw - Noll
Montana - Walsh
Aikman - J. Johnson (the most questionable of the bunch)
Brady - Belichick
Mahomes - Reid

To all of the true trolls in this thread, the dude has 3 SB's already, plus 5 combined MVP's. He has insane abilities and highlight reel plays that will be played forever. Let's not act as though he's Jeff Garcia or something. I would be nervous that the second half of his career will not come close to mirroring his first half and that prices will decline dramatically in the short-term. However, just like we're seeing with Peyton now, he'll see a rise after his retirement, and in the long-term, he's as no-brainer an investment as anyone. It just depends on when you bought in.

first off, all QB's are "system QB's" All professional QBs play within the system their coaching staff has developed. Patrick is a system QB, Brady, Manning, Marino, all of them.

To say that all Brady had to "marvel at" was his intelligence is disingenuous and shows your clear agenda. Brady had processing speed at the very top end of the greatest QB's of all time. He had impeccable pocket presence and was an all time great at moving within the pocket to miss the rush. He had above average/great velocity on his throws and had a laser quick release (at age 44 in 2021, his average release time was 2.5 seconds, 2nd in the league)

secondly, your list of qb's who won 3+ SB's having in common only being with great head coaches? I would disagree.

Montana won with George Seifert.
Aikman won with Barry Switzer
Brady won with Bruce Arians.
Patrick has only ever played for one head coach.

Great coaches are important, great players/rosters are more important.

the three-peat could have been a big feather in Pattys cap. instead, he got the brakes beat off from him. Actually, Patrick has been blown out in 40% of the Super bowls that he has played in. That never happened to Brady in a Super Bowl. In the biggest games, Brady had a 4th quarter lead in all of them. well, except for that one game when he lead the biggest comeback in SB history...

Patrick has a LONG way to go if he wants to be the GOAT QB.

[pejc300]

Originally Posted by slyguy

Yes... for the potential all-time greats.
They will play awhile.
And those top stars also happen to be making "your whole family is set for another generation for every additional year you play" money.

But for the vast majority of normal NFL players and ok-not-great ones? No.
You will see many earlier retirements... even a good amount of non-injury ones. Even some good ones will step away like Aaron Donald or Barry or Calvin Johnson... it's FAR more financially possible now.

It all comes down to follow the money for 99% of them. They get paid [well] in college now.

I was just speaking for Mahomes, not all the other guys.

[f2tornado]

Originally Posted by Fenway55

They may have had the best record this season but I can think of one recent game they didn't win...

KC won three regular season games on rare scenarios/flukes. A blocked FG against Denver, a lucky doink against LAC, and Vegas coach being an idiot. They also had relatively close calls against a few weaker teams. Certainly a solid team but one where the record was a better than overall performance. Flip those three wins and they're on the road through the playoffs but that's revisionist history. They got further than I expected this season as it felt like a bridge season at the beginning.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by jjrpilot

I've got a nice Patty arriving today!

So it hit me...the trolls in here hate Mahomes bc they know he IS good. They wouldn't hate Mahomes if he was horrible bc then only the Chiefs fans would hate him. (He also wouldn't have his own thread.)

The trolls then say "Well we hate Mahomes bc you all think he's the best."

Fine you can think that but don't hate us when we look at the QBs you like and chuckle when you try to compare them to Mahomes (outside of Brady.)

The Chiefs and Mahomes definitely have work to do in the offseason. Mahomes said something in his interview after the game that hit me.

He mentioned that he had work to do...that when defenses send him different looks etc that he has to be better prepared to know what to do.

THIS is where he has to improve. Brady in my opinion was much more of a cerebral player. Mahomes typically tends to rely on sheer skill which works most of the time....but when the skill lining up against you is better....that's where he has to play smarter.

I think Mahomes will definitely get there. I think had he won (which still would have been amazing) it would reinforce that maybe he doesn't need to work as hard. I think he'll grow from this.

Great post.


Mahomes needs to get better at defensive reads and game prep.

I do blame Patty for the early pick 6--he didn't see dejean and that was a backbreaker. I still think he will improve and adapt, he's already learned to "dink and dunk", hopefully, the mental game is next.


In regards to legacy, this game does tarnish things a bit for him. The late TD's helped, but he was a disaster. I think everyone here can safely put the "GOAT" discussion on hold.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by MyckKabongo

I don't know who needs to hear this but..

* Mahomes and the Chiefs have had an incredible run. More SB appearances than playoff losses. Never lost in the playoffs earlier than OT of AFCCG. 3 rings and 5 Lamar Hunt trophies. Team of the decade locked up before we even made it halfway through the decade. Even if everything stopped there (it wont), that's a run rivaled by only a few other franchises.

* Mahomes and the Chiefs will be right back in it. Vegas knows it. We all know it. Sure, there's some loudmouths wishcasting the end of the run. Said loudmouths have been saying the same things every ******* year. People like that aren't worth listening to.

* KC has the ignomious honor of having the two worst O-line meltdowns in Super Bowl history. It sucks. Perspective, though. This is the thing Chiefs fans have to bear. It happens. Brady lost his shot at a perfect season as a 12-point favorite (12 points!). He also lost to a backup QB when people had declared him GOAT. Peyton Manning lost a SB 43-8. Montana was perfect in the SB but had some early playoff exits and bad losses to NYG and BUF. It happens.

* That said, I can't complain as a Chiefs fan. Could be a Bills fan or Bengals fan. Could be a 9ers or Pats fan just hanging on to past glories, channeling their energy into being Chiefs haters because their teams are irrelevant. Could be any number of other fan bases but you know what? I am extremely content to be a Chiefs fan. Take all the shots you want. Everything you say is easily batted down by the lightest of brushes from a hand with 3 rings on it. And there's more to come. Believe that!

* Casuals and motivated Mahomes haters are trying their darnedest to pin this on Mahomes. Fact is, he's far down the list of who's to blame behind the O-line, Veach for not having a vet LT in camp and waiting way too late to sign one, coaches for bad game planning on protections and next to no in game adjustments, and receiver drops on would be 1st downs.

* If anything, Mahomes papers over serious issues on this team. The past two years, KC has had MAJOR issues at WR and O-line. It seriously impacted his stats. And yet, he carried his team with clutch performances galore through that mess to two SB appearances, a franchise record 15 wins and a ring. That's incredible. Look around the league. Teams with these types of issues usually fall out of the playoffs entirely (e.g. just this year: SF, CIN) and no one really blames the QB. Mahomes has carried this team to the AFCCG every single year despite straight up bad defenses early in the run and the more recent OL and WR debacle. Stats be damned, that's massively impressive.

* Reasons for optimism abound. This is a dynastic league where success begets more success. Betting against Mahomes in the long run is a fool's errand. Even his haters have to acknowledge he's already at 29 in rarified air on the all time QB list. All of his peers on that list had plenty of success in their 30s and thrived through coaching, personnel and even team changes. The OL is a problem and KC won't have a ton of cap this offseason but WR is finally on the right track and the defense will only need a few light touch ups.

* KC has been here before. It was only four years ago in fact. The same haters and loudmouths were dancing on their graves. "They might never win another SB!" "He's Wilson/Rodgers/Favre!" "His contract will ruin them!" Etc. Etc. Etc. Myself and other Mahomies were clairvoyant voices of reason. Others not so much. For real, take a roll back through the history of this thread. Who was right and who was wrong. My friends, the more things change the more they stay the same.

* Final note: congrats to the Eagles and their fans.

agree with this too.

The Chiefs are still the kings of the AFC and will likely be right in it next year with a few tweeks. I don't think if Kelce retires that will be as big of a hit as others are saying. The AFC west is getting stronger, but I still see the Chiefs winning the division in 2025.


Patty absolutely bears some (not all) of the blame for this loss. He held the ball too long and threw a back breaking pick 6 early which put the team down 17-0 and THEN threw another pick deep in Chiefs territory which pretty much sealed the game.


In regards to Brady losing to a backup: Not sure what the argument is there. He threw for 505 yards (superbowl record), 3 TD's, no INT's in that game.

[chompie99]

Originally Posted by Fenway55

Yes we get it. They were a phenomenally lucky 15-1 this year (prior to the final game where they rested starters). And all sorts of KC fans kept whistling past the graveyard thinking they were really that great when the stats showed a team who probably should have had 11 or 12 wins.

I would happily whistle past the graveyard if it means a Super Bowl every year, win or lose.

[JRX]

I know most of this is cyclical, but they really do seem to get all the prime matchups at home. Next year they game home games vs phi, hou, was, bal, det. They do have to go to buf again next year.

[daveyc1]

let us keep in mind, that with Mahomes 40% blowout rate in Super Bowls, he currently has a -23 point differential (which could have been much worse if not for 3 garbage time scores) whereas Brady has a +34 point differential, having never been blown out in the big game.

[slyguy]

Originally Posted by daveyc1

let us keep in mind, that with Mahomes 40% blowout rate in Super Bowls, he currently has a -23 point differential (which could have been much worse if not for 3 garbage time scores) whereas Brady has a +34 point differential, having never been blown out in the big game.

I'm sure the HOF will look long and hard at such things.

Mahomes acts as GM of the team... I'm sure he is scouting 2025 draft CBs and DEs and trying to re-sign and re-work deals of current KC defense guys as we type?

[daveyc1]

Originally Posted by slyguy

I'm sure the HOF will look long and hard at such things.

Mahomes acts as GM of the team... I'm sure he is scouting 2025 draft CBs and DEs and trying to re-sign and re-work deals of current KC defense guys as we type?

Nope, HOF wont, but those who have GOAT debates sure will

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by f2tornado

KC won three regular season games on rare scenarios/flukes.

It is tough to define "rare scenario/fluke" but KC had 7 wins which easily could have gone the other way.

The three you mentioned...
The Baltimore TD where the guy was OOB by his toes
The Cincinnati defensive PI
Atlanta 13 yards away from victory before being stopped 4th and 1
Carolina tied with KC with 2:00 to go

Not to mention Buffalo twice robbed of a 1st down in the AFCCG.

Their Pythagorean record projection was 10.15-6.85 for Pete's sake. They masked their deficiencies by overachieving. This is a team that needs to improve quite a bit during the offseason if they want to make it back.

I wish them good fortune in the wars to come.

[49erRCCollector]

I think Mahomes is the best QB in the league today. But if you want to know why people come after Mahomes supporters so hard, the below is the reason why.

Originally Posted by MyckKabongo

I don't know who needs to hear this but..

* Mahomes and the Chiefs have had an incredible run. More SB appearances than playoff losses. Never lost in the playoffs earlier than OT of AFCCG. 3 rings and 5 Lamar Hunt trophies. Team of the decade locked up before we even made it halfway through the decade. Even if everything stopped there (it wont), that's a run rivaled by only a few other franchises.

* Mahomes and the Chiefs will be right back in it. Vegas knows it. We all know it. Sure, there's some loudmouths wishcasting the end of the run. Said loudmouths have been saying the same things every ******* year. People like that aren't worth listening to.

The Niners were +600 to start the year, right behind KC. Things happen.

Originally Posted by MyckKabongo

* KC has the ignomious honor of having the two worst O-line meltdowns in Super Bowl history. It sucks. Perspective, though. This is the thing Chiefs fans have to bear. It happens. Brady lost his shot at a perfect season as a 12-point favorite (12 points!). He also lost to a backup QB when people had declared him GOAT. Peyton Manning lost a SB 43-8. Montana was perfect in the SB but had some early playoff exits and bad losses to NYG and BUF. It happens.

I legit felt bad for Mahomes against the Bucs because he was running for his life the whole time. He did hold the ball too long in this game and the offense never adjusted in any way to the Eagles D, which while impressive, did not do anything exotic at all. Both interceptions were TERRIBLE choices. There were plays where Mahomes straight panicked when he had people open.

Originally Posted by MyckKabongo

* That said, I can't complain as a Chiefs fan. Could be a Bills fan or Bengals fan. Could be a 9ers or Pats fan just hanging on to past glories, channeling their energy into being Chiefs haters because their teams are irrelevant. Could be any number of other fan bases but you know what? I am extremely content to be a Chiefs fan. Take all the shots you want. Everything you say is easily batted down by the lightest of brushes from a hand with 3 rings on it. And there's more to come. Believe that!

The Niners have been in 4 conference games and 2 SBs in the last 6 years. Irrelevant? This whole post reeks of defensiveness. Be better. An remember - the Pats had a 20 year run of greatness. So did the Niners at one point. Things change.

Originally Posted by MyckKabongo

* Casuals and motivated Mahomes haters are trying their darnedest to pin this on Mahomes. Fact is, he's far down the list of who's to blame behind the O-line, Veach for not having a vet LT in camp and waiting way too late to sign one, coaches for bad game planning on protections and next to no in game adjustments, and receiver drops on would be 1st downs.

"Casuals"? That's not gonna fly. Mahomes was directly responsible for the three turnovers. Either all QBs have an excuse, or none do. Mahomes himself took ownership of those turnovers. Preemptively calling people "casuals" who don't agree with your take is WEAK. When he threw the ball to DeJean and it was returned for a pick 6, that was Mahomes. If you argue that, you are the casual.

Originally Posted by MyckKabongo

* If anything, Mahomes papers over serious issues on this team. The past two years, KC has had MAJOR issues at WR and O-line. It seriously impacted his stats. And yet, he carried his team with clutch performances galore through that mess to two SB appearances, a franchise record 15 wins and a ring. That's incredible. Look around the league. Teams with these types of issues usually fall out of the playoffs entirely (e.g. just this year: SF, CIN) and no one really blames the QB. Mahomes has carried this team to the AFCCG every single year despite straight up bad defenses early in the run and the more recent OL and WR debacle. Stats be damned, that's massively impressive.

Everyone blames the QB.

Originally Posted by MyckKabongo

* Reasons for optimism abound. This is a dynastic league where success begets more success. Betting against Mahomes in the long run is a fool's errand. Even his haters have to acknowledge he's already at 29 in rarified air on the all time QB list. All of his peers on that list had plenty of success in their 30s and thrived through coaching, personnel and even team changes. The OL is a problem and KC won't have a ton of cap this offseason but WR is finally on the right track and the defense will only need a few light touch ups.

* KC has been here before. It was only four years ago in fact. The same haters and loudmouths were dancing on their graves. "They might never win another SB!" "He's Wilson/Rodgers/Favre!" "His contract will ruin them!" Etc. Etc. Etc. Myself and other Mahomies were clairvoyant voices of reason. Others not so much. For real, take a roll back through the history of this thread. Who was right and who was wrong. My friends, the more things change the more they stay the same.

* Final note: congrats to the Eagles and their fans.

I don't think the Chiefs are falling off a cliff as long as Mahomes is under center, but why is it so hard to admit Mahomes played terribly this past Sunday?

He did. He was awful. As bad as any bad QB has been in the SB. Take away the garbage time stats after Sirianni had already taken a Gatorade bath and Eagles back-ups were in and it looks even worse.

This is the deal with QBs. You win, you get the glory, you lose you get the heat. That's the way it works. Mahomes is not special. He's getting the heat.

As far as prices - he's still the best QB in the league and I think he has a lot more winning in him. But why not admit he's human? Does he have to be better than Brady to be great on his own?

[BostonNut]

Originally Posted by f2tornado

KC won three regular season games on rare scenarios/flukes. A blocked FG against Denver, a lucky doink against LAC, and Vegas coach being an idiot. They also had relatively close calls against a few weaker teams. Certainly a solid team but one where the record was a better than overall performance. Flip those three wins and they're on the road through the playoffs but that's revisionist history. They got further than I expected this season as it felt like a bridge season at the beginning.

Reminded me of the year the Pats started 8-0 but they played all eight games against backup and third string QBs. I believe Van Noy dubbed the defense the “Boogeymen”

[BostonNut]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

Great post.


Mahomes needs to get better at defensive reads and game prep.

I do blame Patty for the early pick 6--he didn't see dejean and that was a backbreaker. I still think he will improve and adapt, he's already learned to "dink and dunk", hopefully, the mental game is next.


In regards to legacy, this game does tarnish things a bit for him. The late TD's helped but he was a disaster. I think everyone here can safely put the "GOAT" discussion on hold.

Not at all. Garbage time stats against backups are hardly worth pointing out as good things.

[JWBlue]

Originally Posted by kipgen

I don't buy the o-line excuse. Look at any o-line ranking for 2024 and you'll see the chiefs land around the five spot. There were plenty of times that Mahomes tried to do his usual run around the backfield strategy and it didn't work.

I saw an end of season #2 ranking.

I have begun to have doubts about these rankings.