2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[TheFrenzy]

More craziness here at ASU:

"What's the difference between armed men with police badges who shoot innocent people and armed men without badges who shoot innocent people?

I'll give you a hint: there is none.

Blake, a Black man, was shot seven times by police in front of his children, yet he miraculously survived this public lynching attempt. Later, Blake was handcuffed to his hospital bed — essentially treated more like a criminal than Rittenhouse, who was thanked and given water by police that same night.

"For (CRU) to come out in support of known white supremacists and murder is beyond unacceptable," said Emma Galligan, a junior studying political science and justice studies. She expressed that as a student, she is angry at the University's complacency with the student club.

CRU's comments make an indicative statement; Police and white men have the right to shoot people on sight, especially Black people and those protesting as part of the Black Lives Matter movement. They value the life of a single white man over the lives of his victims, and the countless other victims of police brutality.

"I think that supporting police... is perpetuating white supremacy and systemic racism," Galligan said. "White mass shooters are a direct result of the same system that has created police sanctioned violence."

CRU's statement only clarifies what we should all know by now: All police officers are a Kyle Rittenhouse in their own right.

This country's constitution was created by racist, slaveholding white men. Policing came about as a way to uphold racist and classist laws, like with slave-catching patrols and union-busting. The police's authority to uphold unjust laws makes them an unjust institution itself, and what makes this worse is their license to kill.

From Pittsburgh, Christchurch and El Paso, the same image of racist white men barbarically killing people of color all over the country is a phenomenon they learned, not invented, from the police itself.

Long before the rise of racist mass-shooters, their historical counterparts were lynch mobs who would skin Black people alive. This modern violence is more efficient, taking the form of semi-automatic rifles and just one man.

History demonstrates that the police have been the ones to initiate racist violence against people of color. Protests against police violence are only a reaction to the violence perpetrated against the people of this country every day.

Such a systematic issue cannot be fixed with bandages like reform. Highly flawed institutions should be treated like a disease and be eliminated and reforms have consistently failed to address police brutality."

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by BTownCards

It says whatever name you like !


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Don't discriminate against me just cuz I can't read good.

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by BTownCards

It’s September 4th Mock-Election draft time !

We can do it every month until election time or twice a month. Be interesting to see if people are on the fence for the candidate.

Pretty simple, post T or B or whatever name you like.


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Kanye West

[NeedChapmans]

Hell of an educational system you got goin' on in Tempe there Frenzy.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by jdandns

Keep tellin' yerself that, coach.


Good times.

Fantastic retort. Mind now changed.

[techtre2003]

Hmmm, so there's already a nicely produced VoteVets attack ad out this morning airing on MSNBC about The Atlantic article that just hit yesterday. That doesn't seem coordinated at all.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by techtre2003

Hmmm, so there's already a nicely produced VoteVets attack ad out this morning airing on MSNBC about The Atlantic article that just hit yesterday. That doesn't seem coordinated at all.

Somebody follows the people I follow!

6am show. 10 hours after the report hits, they have an ad made, and an ad slot ready to go.

The moms that said on video "My son is not a loser" ... how did they do that so fast? Call up these moms at 3am or somethin?

Amazing. Just amazing.

[JeremyNick]

F

Yinz can figure out what that stands for

[BTownCards]

Originally Posted by mike1498

Kanye West

College dropout Kanye ?


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[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Somebody follows the people I follow!

6am show. 10 hours after the report hits, they have an ad made, and an ad slot ready to go.

The moms that said on video "My son is not a loser" ... how did they do that so fast? Call up these moms at 3am or somethin?

Amazing. Just amazing.

Yeah not set up at all...

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

Pelosi was set up remember...

This made me chuckle.

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[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

Yeah not set up at all...

Bolton on the record now. So the media spent three months lionizing him ... time to ignore him again, call him a liar I'm sure.

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by BTownCards

College dropout Kanye ?


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It was a joke but yes.

I mean Biden apparently was caught for plagiarism in college anyway so academia is overrated.

That being said #HEN⬇️

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Hell of an educational system you got goin' on in Tempe there Frenzy.

It's one the most diverse campuses in the country. Ranked #121 out of 2,718 US colleges.

And it's not tokenism or the result of a specific recruitment program like with some small colleges. Depending on how you are counting enrollment, ASU generally considered to have the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd largest on-campus student bodies. Yet its competitors like Ohio State (#355) and Texas A&M (#372) lag behind our diversity scores.

We have over 800 student clubs and organizations just on the Tempe campus with 334 of them specifically for minorities, women, and LGBTQIA+.

And we're still having protests on the weekends:



End of the day, we're stuck between two ruts. For most of the 20th century white America held onto an exceptionalist view of the United States as a uniquely and intrinsically "good" nation. Then the pendulum swung and now we've seen an equally exceptionalist view of the United States as a uniquely and intrinsically "bad" nation emerge.

Historian Rosemarie Zagarri hit the nail on the head in 2011:

[NeedChapmans]

"I'll go to war; but I draw the line at angry tweets"

I mean ...

L
O
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[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

More craziness here at ASU:

"What's the difference between armed men with police badges who shoot innocent people and armed men without badges who shoot innocent people?

I'll give you a hint: there is none.

Blake, a Black man, was shot seven times by police in front of his children, yet he miraculously survived this public lynching attempt. Later, Blake was handcuffed to his hospital bed — essentially treated more like a criminal than Rittenhouse, who was thanked and given water by police that same night.

"For (CRU) to come out in support of known white supremacists and murder is beyond unacceptable," said Emma Galligan, a junior studying political science and justice studies. She expressed that as a student, she is angry at the University's complacency with the student club.

CRU's comments make an indicative statement; Police and white men have the right to shoot people on sight, especially Black people and those protesting as part of the Black Lives Matter movement. They value the life of a single white man over the lives of his victims, and the countless other victims of police brutality.

"I think that supporting police... is perpetuating white supremacy and systemic racism," Galligan said. "White mass shooters are a direct result of the same system that has created police sanctioned violence."

CRU's statement only clarifies what we should all know by now: All police officers are a Kyle Rittenhouse in their own right.

This country's constitution was created by racist, slaveholding white men. Policing came about as a way to uphold racist and classist laws, like with slave-catching patrols and union-busting. The police's authority to uphold unjust laws makes them an unjust institution itself, and what makes this worse is their license to kill.

From Pittsburgh, Christchurch and El Paso, the same image of racist white men barbarically killing people of color all over the country is a phenomenon they learned, not invented, from the police itself.

Long before the rise of racist mass-shooters, their historical counterparts were lynch mobs who would skin Black people alive. This modern violence is more efficient, taking the form of semi-automatic rifles and just one man.

History demonstrates that the police have been the ones to initiate racist violence against people of color. Protests against police violence are only a reaction to the violence perpetrated against the people of this country every day.

Such a systematic issue cannot be fixed with bandages like reform. Highly flawed institutions should be treated like a disease and be eliminated and reforms have consistently failed to address police brutality."

So, I can commit any crime I want as long as I have my children there when the police come and arrest me? That's essentially what they think.

There's a decent chance Kyle Rittenhouse has only a gun charge, maybe. Jacob Blake has multiple warrants AND committed multiple crimes the day he was shot.

People need to stop acting like he was just randomly targeted.

[techtre2003]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Somebody follows the people I follow!

6am show. 10 hours after the report hits, they have an ad made, and an ad slot ready to go.

The moms that said on video "My son is not a loser" ... how did they do that so fast? Call up these moms at 3am or somethin?

Amazing. Just amazing.

I'm not on Twitter but I read Twitchy which highlights all the good tweets going out. They probably cover a lot of the people you follow.



Also, Biden has already had a call this morning with Tammy Duckworth, Khizr Khan, and Connor Lamb about the bombshell Atlantic story.



I also learned that the Atlantic story just happened to drop right after Trump announced Will Ruger as the new Ambassador to Afghanistan. Ruger wants to withdraw all troops out of Afghanistan.



So a years old "controversy" with unnamed sources who won't be named because the Atlantic author doesn't want them to get attacked on Twitter drops and all of this just happens to fall into place just like that.

[BTownCards]

Anyone seeing the “My Dad was in Vietnam” tweets ?

My Dad was too.


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[salthill]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Yes. I'm claiming that once someone denigrates the President of the United States, speaking out against them is fair game.

See what I did there?

Congrats on answering a different question.

Another time in case you don’t feel like moving the goalposts this time....
Once someone “speaks out” (your words) against “Trump” (your words, and in contrast to the “President of the United States”), is denigrating their service record fair game?

The office of the President Of The United States is worthy of respect, the man currently holding it most definitely is not.

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

It's one the most diverse campuses in the country. Ranked #121 out of 2,718 US colleges.

And it's not tokenism or the result of a specific recruitment program like with some small colleges. Depending on how you are counting enrollment, ASU generally considered to have the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd largest on-campus student bodies. Yet its competitors like Ohio State (#355) and Texas A&M (#372) lag behind our diversity scores.

We have over 800 student clubs and organizations just on the Tempe campus with 334 of them specifically for minorities, women, and LGBTQIA+.

And we're still having protests on the weekends:



End of the day, we're stuck between two ruts. For most of the 20th century white America held onto an exceptionalist view of the United States as a uniquely and intrinsically "good" nation. Then the pendulum swung and now we've seen an equally exceptionalist view of the United States as a uniquely and intrinsically "bad" nation emerge.

Historian Rosemarie Zagarri hit the nail on the head in 2011:

Wow - citing scholarship - TheFrenzy kicking the thread up three notches!

Edit: I wanna see the sources cited in n.8

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by salthill

Congrats on answering a different question.

Another time in case you don’t feel like moving the goalposts this time....
Once someone “speaks out” (your words) against “Trump” (your words, and in contrast to the “President of the United States”), is denigrating their service record fair game?

The office of the President Of The United States is worthy of respect, the man currently holding it most definitely is not.

Care to offer an example? I'll play.

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

Wow - citing scholarship - TheFrenzy kicking the thread up three notches!

Edit: I wanna see the sources cited in n.8

"Expansion and Exceptionalism in Early American History" by Joyce E. Chaplin
The Journal of American History
Vol. 89, No. 4 (Mar., 2003), pp. 1431-1455

[corndog]

I managed to stay awake during the Biden speech and "press conference".

Reporters falling right in step with their amazing softball questions...

[NeedChapmans]

LOL. I love this guy.

https://twitter.com/MattsIdeaShop/st...35674325495809

[Jopeal]

Gonna be a loooooonng day in the thread.