Patrick Mahomes Prices

[jacksonjj]

Originally Posted by TSonn

Media is all about the refs right now. I bet the Chiefs love it. Gives them something to prove when it didn't seem like that would've been a possible motivation in the AFCC on the run to a 3 peat.

No joke. Does anyone think the Bills are thinking 'oh gosh the refs are against us, it's going to make us play better!'

Lol no. It has the opposite effect actually. The Chiefs are in everyone's head even before the game starts.

It likely already is in Josh's head so much that he's going to make one overly-risky judgment decision because he thinks ahead of time that's what it's going to take to beat this team.

Maybe that future decision will win the game (i.e. 4th down QB run for TD) or might end up the same interception that Lamar threw over the head of a WR.

[wharfrat7624]

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[Delta5]

Originally Posted by TSonn

Media is all about the refs right now. I bet the Chiefs love it. Gives them something to prove when it didn't seem like that would've been a possible motivation in the AFCC on the run to a 3 peat.

we'll see if Chiefs can win with no refs help and not being spoonfed 15 yards at 3rd down. Last time on even reffing they met Bills won by 2 scores

[blackandgold]

Been out of the loop-skimmed last 7-8 pages Is there some bet going between members on Bills/Chiefs game?

[thesportslab]

My 1st Mahomes RC finally arrived. Love the Crown Royale pose and design.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by blackandgold

Been out of the loop-skimmed last 7-8 pages Is there some bet going between members on Bills/Chiefs game?

Sleeper bet Delta Mahomes would make it further than Josh Allen and the loser would not post until next super bowl. I doubt Delta honors that bet though

[blackandgold]

Originally Posted by Chris P

Sleeper bet Delta Mahomes would make it further than Josh Allen and the loser would not post until next super bowl. I doubt Delta honors that bet though

Interesting

[SleeperCards]

Originally Posted by blackandgold

Been out of the loop-skimmed last 7-8 pages Is there some bet going between members on Bills/Chiefs game?

Yes, should be a great Sunday for BO members as they don't have to see either myself or Delta for a year. Mods are too busy banning contributing members like Frenzy while Delta smears sht on the walls, had to at least attempt to do what I can. I'm sure there will be lots of happy people regardless of which team wins (I may be disliked just as much as Delta, but at least I have the ability to contribute information when it comes to football cards as opposed to being exclusively an antagonistic ahole.)

Originally Posted by thesportslab

My 1st Mahomes RC finally arrived. Love the Crown Royale pose and design.

Nice looking card, definitely doesn't look like an 8 from the front.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by Delta5

we'll see if Chiefs can win with no refs help and not being spoonfed 15 yards at 3rd down. Last time on even reffing they met Bills won by 2 scores

Do you bring that same energy about the Bills getting a questionable DPI on 3rd down before half against the Ravens?

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[weeds73]

Originally Posted by jswest18

This whole discourse about the Chiefs/Mahomes and the refs/league has made me have a new appreciation for the Patriots run. Several things about a conspiracy or favored treatment by the refs toward the Chiefs.

1) As to the game yesterday, both RTP calls were weak. The first one was technically helmet to helmet contact and it is called 9/10 times regardless of who is playing or what down it is. It was actually reviewed and because there was contact to the head, despite the minimal nature of it, the booth could not overturn it. Take this away and you can take 3 points off the board for the Chiefs. Sure, maybe momentum swings so much toward the Texans in a 3-3 game with 7:16 left in the 1st quarter that the Chiefs just wouldn't have been able to overcome it but let's just be honest and admit that wouldn't have been the case. Did the penalty help the Chiefs? Of course. Was it game altering? Of course not.

2) The second RTP call was probably technically right as well (which the league confirmed whether you believe their take or not) because two defenders led with the crown of their helmets and made contact to the helmet of Mahomes. But in some ways it was even weaker to me than the 1st. Hated the call real time. That said, stupid of the defenders to lead with the crown like they did, especially considering they already have a reputation of being dirty.

Also, I'm not convinced that Mahomes was trying to take advantage of the rules to draw a flag there. He had two defenders converging on him as soon as he cut back. He could have just braced and taken the hit(s), he could have tried to dive which would have been worse, or he could have done what he did and slide to attempt to minimize the hit against his body. Some of it was likely pure instinct. He no idea they were going to lead with their helmets.

3) I'll just leave this here and add to it that it's not the refs fault Houston allowed 8 sacks and forgot that Kelce was on the field for half the game. Blame those things for the loss and not two questionable weak RTP calls.

4) Everyone keeps pointing out unfair officiating in favor of the Chiefs but ALL of the data shows that is not the case. It hasn't been the case since 2018 nor has it been the case for this year. Even when you take in to account the timeliness of the penalties in big situations it still does not prove the narrative everyone is so up in arms about. The data proves the opposite. But because "the eye test" proves otherwise then people are convinced it's true.

5) Yes the Chiefs have benefited from some calls in crucial moments. Example, the Bengals AFC championship game 2 years ago. The calls have been legitimate and obvious flags though. Are they fortunate to have had those things happen to help them win? Sure. But being fortunate doesn't equal the refs calling a game one sided or wrongly.

6) Hated the flop by Patty going out of bounds. I have seen him ask for calls (which EVERY OTHER QB, DB, WR, ETC. in the league does) but that's probably been the worst flop I've seen from him. He's generally not done that. I actually think it could keep him from getting a borderline or legitimate call moving forward. Especially with all the attention now.

7) What's fascinating is that this comes from such a Patriots/Brady fan. You as much as anyone should know that these same complaints were lodged against you guys over and over and over. Most not legitimate but some fair. Brady had several very close, weak, questionable calls go his way which were crucial penalties. Beginning with the Tuck Rule all the way to the bogus RTP call against Chris Jones in the AFCC game in 2018. As his career went on Brady was going to get the benefit of a call if it was close. And probably deservedly so as he was the face of the NFL and the best player in the NFL. That's been the case in every sport for all time though. It's not a new things with Mahomes.

8) Lastly, and it's important imo, the reason people believe so strongly this narrative about the Chiefs and Patriots before them is because they win. I don't mean that people are sick of the Chiefs winning just as they were the Patriots before, although people are sick of it. I mean that the penalties that go against the losing team matters more because they lost.

The Chiefs generally have plenty of calls go against them during the course of a game. Whether it's an actual bad call by the refs or it's just a mistake made by the Chiefs, they have plenty of "game changing" calls go against them. Again, the data backs this up. The difference is that the Chiefs nearly always find a way to overcome them and win. And once they win, the bad calls don't matter any more. The Chiefs fans forget them and everyone else just acts like it didn't happen because it didn't keep them from winning. For the losing team though the penalties become a huge deal. Every questionable call that goes against them was "game changing" and a large reason why the lost.

So we've come to the point now in this Chiefs run where every single play and penalty or non call is scrutinized. People gloss over the fact that NFL refs are still human and they make bad calls EVERY SINGLE GAME regardless of who is playing. They just see a call they BELIEVE favored KC, rightly or not, and that becomes more proof KC is getting preferential treatment. They ignore calls that went against KC and calls that could have been detrimental to the ultimate outcome of the game because it didn't keep KC from winning the game. And even if KC loses a game in the future because the refs make several atrocious calls against KC which turned the tide against them and they aren't able to overcome it then the conversation will not be about how unfair it was but instead it will be how KC deserved it.

Agreed. Well written


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[weeds73]

Originally Posted by thesportslab

My 1st Mahomes RC finally arrived. Love the Crown Royale pose and design.

Congrats. Solid pickup


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[weeds73]

Originally Posted by wharfrat7624

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Great patches on those autos


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[Rabs]

Originally Posted by TSonn

Do you bring that same energy about the Bills getting a questionable DPI on 3rd down before half against the Ravens?

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That was a horrible call. If anything it looked like offensive PI.

[HBMC]

Originally Posted by Rabs

That was a horrible call. If anything it looked like offensive PI.

It looked like it because it was.

That was atrocious.

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by TSonn

Do you bring that same energy about the Bills getting a questionable DPI on 3rd down before half against the Ravens?

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I mean that was a makeup call for the horrible phantom holding call on dion Dawkins that killed the drive. Ed Oliver was also behing held all game and they didnt call anything

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by Delta5

I mean that was a makeup call for the horrible phantom holding call on dion Dawkins that killed the drive. Ed Oliver was also behing held all game and they didnt call anything

Interesting that you immediately got defensive and tried to explain it away. Almost as if... you can complain about bad calls.. with any team.

And again for the record, that DPI is an example of why Buffalo is #8 on the receiving end of 1st down calls on 3rd downs while KC is #17 but for some reason nobody is talking about that DPI.

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[wharfrat7624]

Originally Posted by weeds73

Great patches on those autos


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Thank you!


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[TheCrow]

Originally Posted by MyckKabongo

Aikman is a well-established Mahomes hater. He was a sniveling whimper whiner tweeting noise about Mahomes years ago. Announcers without a giant axe to grind would point out that helmet-to-helmet, especially on a QB, is a major point of emphasis and the defender will almost never get the benefit of the doubt on it.

He had to swallow the bitter, bitter taste of watching Mahomes surpass his career rather easily. It was hilarious, HILARIOUS watching them snivel that Mahomes is a flopper then watch Mahomes unleash another beauty for the all-time highlight reel on the very next play. Truly, poetic justice and beautiful symbolism of all these clowns that hate on Mahomes and the Chiefs only to watch the Chiefs continue to dominate.

Aikman is no different from our resident Bills troll and the insecure Pats fans watching what they thought was a glorious dynasty for all time being surpassed in real time. Nevermind they are what they claimed to hate--yup you guys are the modern day deflategate and cameragate truthers. Also pretty frickin' HILARIOUS to hear BRADY BOIS (and Allen guys for that matter) complain about how someone else gets all the calls.

The fact of the matter is these guys just grasp at straws continuously looking for the next narrative to try and tear down Mahomes and wishcast his imminent fall. First he was Brett Favre or Russell Wilson and he was just an early career wonder, then it was well they won't keep drafting well then it was oh his contract will ruin their cap (remember, Fenway?), then it was blah blah ref blah blah let's see him do it without Kelce and Reid blah blah his stats are down blah blah Brady's contemporaries were better blah blah.

It must be hard coming up with all those new angles constantly. They get batted down so easily too. You know what they say though: Haters gon' hate!

Love this.

[Baraka]

Originally Posted by jjrpilot

Ok post some Mahomes cards! Let's see em!

I got a little something cooking. Hopefully the buyer doesn’t back out.

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by TSonn

Interesting that you immediately got defensive and tried to explain it away. Almost as if... you can complain about bad calls.. with any team.

And again for the record, that DPI is an example of why Buffalo is #8 on the receiving end of 1st down calls on 3rd downs while KC is #17 but for some reason nobody is talking about that DPI.

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We are talking about flag for Mahomes vs Allen, not one team to another. Allen drew 0 RTP/ER/PF foul that game, he got hit helmet to helmet which shouldve been a flag even to non QB, I'd say the hit also harder than what Mahomes got on the first RTP

[tjforce]

Guys...

Us Chiefs fans just can't let ourselves get all worried about roughing the passer being called the way it has for a SuperStar QB in this game.

Yes, I know that Josh Allen has been given more roughing the passer calls per game from refs than any active QB in the NFL...

https://www.nflpenalties.com/roughin...hp?view=active

But let's not let that take away from a game that's likely going to be decided by which teams takes better care of the ball and makes fewer mistakes.

[Earlsnake07]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

Thank you all for the comments.

I have eight R&S longevity boxes from 2017.


Very tempted to open a couple if the Chiefs win the Superbowl. But also, thinking what I can get if I leave them all sealed and sell in five or so years. A good problem to have, and I'm not complaining.

I want you to bust a few....find a brother for this one!

20200414_150017 by Bryan Ronk, on Flickr

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Guys...

Us Chiefs fans just can't let ourselves get all worried about roughing the passer being called the way it has for a SuperStar QB in this game.

Yes, I know that Josh Allen has been given more roughing the passer calls per game from refs than any active QB in the NFL...

https://www.nflpenalties.com/roughin...hp?view=active

But let's not let that take away from a game that's likely going to be decided by which teams takes better care of the ball and makes fewer mistakes.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by Earlsnake07

I want you to bust a few....find a brother for this one!

20200414_150017 by Bryan Ronk, on Flickr

Pretty awesome card. Any idea who it's printed to?

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by wharfrat7624

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I've switched some of my collecting to just holding onto the rarest of Mahomes cards, but I can't get rid of this card. PSA 10 Pop is just 237 on this... it hasn't moved much over the years, and at this point, I doubt it ever will.

Awesome card