Patrick Mahomes Prices

[dbpsooner]

Imagine an existence so miserable that one logs in to a forum such as this, surpasses all threads of general discussion and discussion regarding the team or players they root for, just to complain ad nauseam in a thread created for fans of a specific team or player they dislike… all while having the opposite intended result of further cementing that player/team at the forefront of all discussions surrounding the sport they claim is rigged but can’t get themselves to stop watching.

It is an incredible social experiment and I do empathize with these repeat offenders as such an existence feels sad and unfulfilling.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by Selanne00008

Perception doesn’t matter at all?

I’d be pretty confident Mahomes (and Allen) get calls.

Our bestest friend Delta provided data showing Mahomes gets way more RTP calls than Allen does if you do wanna go there..?


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The perception exists because people don't want to look at the data.

https://www.nflpenalties.com/automat..._for&year=2024

All Delta's stat shows is KC's defense is more disciplined than their direct opponent. The overall stats show KC middle of the pack on penalties that give them an auto first down. Bottom half of the league on penalties that give 1st down on 3rd down, 3rd and long, and 4th down. Kinda negates the entire argument.

The defense, too, is middle of the pack on calls that give their opponents a 1st down.

[EBCollectibles]

I see Clay Martin is carrying Patrick Mahomes 3rd kid.

[Charismatic44th]

A win is a win, but that game left a bad taste in my mouth. I wish the refs were a non-issue, but that was not the case. Also, others and I thought Mahomes would turn it up for the postseason, and honestly that didn't seem to happen yesterday either. I know the Houston defense is really tough, but Mahomes is Mahomes. 16-25 for 177 yards and 1 TD is not impressive

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by Charismatic44th

A win is a win, but that game left a bad taste in my mouth. I wish the refs were a non-issue, but that was not the case. Also, others and I thought Mahomes would turn it up for the postseason, and honestly that didn't seem to happen yesterday either. I know the Houston defense is really tough, but Mahomes is Mahomes. 16-25 for 177 yards and 1 TD is not impressive

A few things....

1. The second 15 yard penalty on the Texans was absolutely a helmet to helmet hit. Sorry people are falling for Aikman's haterism. That leaves us with 1 RTP that could have been offset by the phantom hold call on Trey Smith.

2. What do Mahomes do poorly yesterday?

[Charismatic44th]

Originally Posted by tjforce

A few things....

1. The second 15 yard penalty on the Texans was absolutely a helmet to helmet hit. Sorry people are falling for Aikman's haterism. That leaves us with 1 RTP that could have been offset by the phantom hold call on Trey Smith.

2. What do Mahomes do poorly yesterday?

1. there were still some questionable calls that could have gone either way, most went the way to help the Chiefs, not saying they were all bad calls, just saying that the Chiefs got more calls than the Texans which allows NFL fans to discount the win

2. Mahomes didn't do poorly at all, but that should not be the expectation of him, due to what we know his abilities are

[Poorboy]

The maflops probably would have won
But the level of “game assist stank” was pretty high
Just sayin

[Brazenways]

Two quick takes:

1-Chiefs looked the part of a #1 and would like to see them tested for once next week.

2-Low number prizm Mahomes is creeping back up again. Crap ton of post season listings and they are going for decent coin. .

[Kingofkings1281]

Originally Posted by Brazenways

Two quick takes:

1-Chiefs looked the part of a #1 and would like to see them tested for once next week.

2-Low number prizm Mahomes is creeping back up again. Crap ton of post season listings and they are going for decent coin. .

At no point in that game did the Chiefs look like a number one seed to me. And if you’re a Chiefs fan, I’d be hoping to see the Ravens. I still think either of them beat KC, but at least you have the hope that you see the “playoff” version of Lamar if it’s Baltimore.

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by Chris P

I like calling out nonsense and stupidity. Your posts are an easy target

You may not like it, but it is not nonsense and it is not stupidity. These are bad calls that are impacting the outcomes of playoffs games, and an awful lot of fans are getting sick of it.

Pretty much every NFL fan outside Kansas City is calling out the obvious officiating bias in favor of Mahomes. It is also carrying over to the media. Even Aikman expressed disgust at that 2nd RTP yesterday.

Originally Posted by Selanne00008

QBs are crafting a way to flop without flopping. Sell it to the ref, know what’s coming so you can avoid injury/brace. Make sure it’s on the ref for being an idiot and not you for flopping.

I don't blame the QBs for trying. The problem is that it is zero risk. The NFL needs to take a lesson from the NBA and make flopping a penalty. 15 yards unsportsmanlike will cut down on the flops (looking at you, Josh Allen).

Originally Posted by Delta5

yup, Stroud is playing at a disadvantage. Need to go into acting class and get those flop game better

Josh Allen is the flop king. He oversells it by throwing his arms in the air as he goes down. Mahomes took a page from that exact same book with his flop yesterday. That is what refs should be on the lookout for.

[JWBlue]

I am not a Chiefs apologist but those two rtp calls weren't as egregious as people made them out to be.

[Rabs]

Sounds like it's an NFL problem and not a Chiefs problem huh?

[mc1]

Originally Posted by JWBlue

I am not a Chiefs apologist but those two rtp calls weren't as egregious as people made them out to be.

The 2nd one was unnecessary roughness and one Texans player did make helmet-to-helmet contact. It is clear from the replay.

[JWBlue]

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[Baraka]

Originally Posted by JWBlue

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[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by mc1

The 2nd one was unnecessary roughness and one Texans player did make helmet-to-helmet contact. It is clear from the replay.

It has to be forcible contact. Barely - barely - grazing the helmet is not RTP.

[dbpsooner]

I think both were bad calls. Having said that, in real time it was easy to see why they were called. Anderson definitely came in high and on the second they led with their head. Upon review, and after slowing it down, neither appeared to be forcible contact to the head/neck. People acting like these calls were so egregious and clear evidence of conspiracy are crazy. Refs are human and we see bad calls every game. Heck the hold on Smith was a terrible call once you saw the replay. But the optics of these plays in real time can certainly give the perception of a penalty. We have certainly seen worse than these. These guys call what they see. Just like the face mask call in the game last night. You could see why they may have thought it was a facemask, but clearly upon review, it wasn’t. Every team in existence benefits from and suffers from bad calls. The amount of whining and crying seems extreme.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by dbpsooner

I think both were bad calls. Having said that, in real time it was easy to see why they were called. Anderson definitely came in high and on the second they led with their head. Upon review, and after slowing it down, neither appeared to be forcible contact to the head/neck. People acting like these calls were so egregious and clear evidence of conspiracy are crazy. Refs are human and we see bad calls every game. Heck the hold on Smith was a terrible call once you saw the replay. But the optics of these plays in real time can certainly give the perception of a penalty. We have certainly seen worse than these. These guys call what they see. Just like the face mask call in the game last night. You could see why they may have thought it was a facemask, but clearly upon review, it wasn’t. Every team in existence benefits from and suffers from bad calls. The amount of whining and crying seems extreme.

In real time, the ref behind the play shouldn’t be throwing a flag. He can’t see the hit so he’s going on assumptions.

[dbpsooner]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

In real time, the ref behind the play shouldn’t be throwing a flag. He can’t see the hit.

And yet every time they don’t throw a flag for facemask or roughing and replay clearly shows it was, these same refs get persecuted as well. It’s a thankless job. He saw the defender come in high and the head bounce back.

[tjforce]

There were 3 calls in this game that are worthy of further scrutiny.

The first was the RTP called that went against Houston. While there was a small amount of contact to the facemask, it shouldn't have been enough to call a penalty.

The second was the holding call on Trey Smith that went against the Chiefs. It shouldn't have been called and negated a first down back in the Chiefs own territory.

The third was the unnecessary roughness call against the Texans for initiating contact to the helmet with his helmet.





If you can tell me that there isnt contact to the helmet of Mahomes here, then you have a confirmed case of Mahomes Derangement Syndrome, and I feel sorry for you.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by dbpsooner

And yet every time they don’t throw a flag for facemask or roughing and replay clearly shows it was, these same refs get persecuted as well. It’s a thankless job. He saw the defender come in high and the head bounce back.

I don’t care about any of that. No ref should be throwing a flag on a play when they can’t see the play.

He didn’t see it so he can’t make that call. It’s pretty simple.

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by tjforce

If you can tell me that there isnt contact to the helmet of Mahomes here, then you have a confirmed case of Mahomes Derangement Syndrome, and I feel sorry for you.

If you can tell me the contact with Mahomes' helmet was forcible, then you have a confirmed case of tomahawk fever and I feel sorry for you.

[dbpsooner]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

I don’t care about any of that. No ref should be throwing a flag on a play when they can’t see the play.

He didn’t see it so he can’t make that call. It’s pretty simple.

Like I said, I think it was a bad call, but it’s not like he wasn’t looking at the play. He saw a defender come in high and the head bounce back. It was very easy to see why he threw the flag. Officials are trained to make those judgement calls. It’s an impossible task in real time. Calling a penalty on what you thought you perceived is no more egregious than not seeing a blatant penalty and calling nothing at all. If we slowed down every play, we could probably find fault in something. Anything involving human judgment will be imperfect in some way.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by dbpsooner

Like I said, I think it was a bad call, but it’s not like he wasn’t looking at the play. He saw a defender come in high and the head bounce back. It was very easy to see why he threw the flag. Officials are trained to make those judgement calls. It’s an impossible task in real time. Calling a penalty on what you thought you perceived is no more egregious than not seeing a blatant penalty and calling nothing at all. If we slowed down every play, we could probably find fault in something. Anything involving human judgment will be imperfect in some way.

If they didn’t see it, they can’t call it. We can’t have these guys out there guessing. That’s all I’m saying.

[mc1]

Originally Posted by Fenway55

It has to be forcible contact. Barely - barely - grazing the helmet is not RTP.

That is just your opinion.

Also, You don’t even know the difference between a RTP and unnecessary roughness.