2019-20 Panini Chronicles Basketball- Pre-release Thread

[jfan2024]

Originally Posted by Stackfan

How would you guys rank the tier's of Chronicles?? Seems like:

Top Tier
Flux,
Phoenix,
Hometown Heroes
Optic/Prizm Update - Hot...depends on the player

Second Tier
Recon - Nice looking
XR - Nice looking
Marquee
Essentials
Donruss
Lumiance
Rookies and Stars (blaster only)

Third Tier
Playbook
Panini
Prestige
Threads - Actually a pretty nice card, good condition
Chronicles

You forgot crusade which is a T1. Given how rare the chrome parallels are, your T1s in parallel form may be a tier above on their own. The megas people are tripping over themselves to buy at $200 are only producing 1/box, usually a less desired teal and not even guaranteed to be a rookie

[missedthedrop]

Originally Posted by CC_123

This is exactly it. Before yesterday, the ONLY retail I found in about 2-3 months was a single cello of Mosaic. Yesterday I found two full displays of Chronicles and a full Topps Chrome display. I grabbed 7 Chronicles blasters and 1 Topps Chrome Mega because I know the struggle of being a collector and not being able to find any at retail. I opened 3 of the Blasters and the Mega and I am saving the other 4 Blasters for when I have the itch to open something and can't find anything on the shelves for the next 2-3 months. But I refuse to pay the up-charged price on eBay from flippers. I would rather put that money towards singles than purchase a blaster for $70+, regardless of what the product is.

You should have cleared the shelf. Better you than the next guy (most likely flipper).
Plus, that gives you a larger stash to rip when you get the itch and more options.

[Tallguy1991]

Managed to cart a mega box at like 7am today and get the order through with the aid of a chrome “AutoFill” extension to fill my info...30 seconds of elation ended abruptly by a cancellation email from target before I even got a confirmation email


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[CC_123]

Originally Posted by missedthedrop

You should have cleared the shelf. Better you than the next guy (most likely flipper).
Plus, that gives you a larger stash to rip when you get the itch and more options.

Thats one way to look at it, but my hope is that they got into the hands of a collector like myself. I know that is probably less likely now than before, but I know the struggle of trying to find product to open and not seeing anything for months on end because the shelves clear out within an hour. I can live with trying to do the right thing by giving another collector the chance.

[Bob Ross]

Thankful it wasn't like this for Prizm.

[CC_123]

Originally Posted by Bob Ross

Thankful it wasn't like this for Prizm.

The extreme craziness started with Mosaic.

[Stackfan]

Originally Posted by jfan2024

You forgot crusade which is a T1. Given how rare the chrome parallels are, your T1s in parallel form may be a tier above on their own. The megas people are tripping over themselves to buy at $200 are only producing 1/box, usually a less desired teal and not even guaranteed to be a rookie

Oh yea, agreeed on Crusade. They've always been historically undervalued/appreciated.... at least in my opinion.

The Silver Flux is the nicest i've seen. Pulled a pink prizm which looked good. I agree the parallel's would be a tier above on those.

[Pacmeyer]

Originally Posted by kawhi15

Socal walmart and targets fully stocked today! [with stickers, pokemon, and yugioh]

Fixed that for you

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by Bob Ross

Thankful it wasn't like this for Prizm.

Yeah I was able to get Prizm twice. Makes zero sense. Never saw Mosaic or anything else. There’s still a mosaic tray at one Walmart and I just giggle.

[bigjbasketball]

Originally Posted by CC_123

The extreme craziness started with Mosaic.

In my area it started with Optic. That’s when EVERYTHING got cleared, including all the base Hoops and Donruss. In between the first and second wave of Optic, it was easy to find some Donruss fat packs or blasters, but after that second wave it was a wasteland. Before Mosaic was released, all the basketball had already been gone for a month or two. Now it’s pretty much hopeless. I am interested to see what happens with 2020-21 Hoops when that comes out. I am hoping flippers clear the shelves and get stuck holding product they can’t sell. Maybe that will help cool things off for a little while.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by bigjbasketball

In my area it started with Optic. That’s when EVERYTHING got cleared, including all the base Hoops and Donruss. In between the first and second wave of Optic, it was easy to find some Donruss fat packs or blasters, but after that second wave it was a wasteland. Before Mosaic was released, all the basketball had already been gone for a month or two. Now it’s pretty much hopeless. I am interested to see what happens with 2020-21 Hoops when that comes out. I am hoping flippers clear the shelves and get stuck holding product they can’t sell. Maybe that will help cool things off for a little while.

Same here, Optic is still the only retail I never found in the wild.

[bigjbasketball]

Originally Posted by Chris P

Same here, Optic is still the only retail I never found in the wild.

I found Optic one time, and I have not seen a single pack of basketball anywhere since February.

[stang_crazy]

Originally Posted by calculusdork

Literally had no idea there were numbered cards in this. Who knows what I overlooked!!!

Earlier this year I found a Mikal Bridges Classics 1/1 on like my fourth pass through my 18-19 Chronicles stash.

Do you still have it and is it available?

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by bigjbasketball

I found Optic one time, and I have not seen a single pack of basketball anywhere since February.

I got lucky with Mosaic, I actually hit it pretty consistantly. Optic, never a thing, not even with the restock that happened. But it's definitely getting harder and harder and Chronicles is the first time I've actually experienced people waiting for the rep.

[Backtocollectin]

We left some topps chrome for the kiddos

[jnmcards]

Originally Posted by Tallguy1991

Managed to cart a mega box at like 7am today and get the order through with the aid of a chrome “AutoFill” extension to fill my info...30 seconds of elation ended abruptly by a cancellation email from target before I even got a confirmation email


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Why would they cancel?

[yiguiri2002]

Originally Posted by kawhi15

Socal walmart and targets fully stocked today!

Which ones did you clean up?

[banosd]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Yeah I was able to get Prizm twice. Makes zero sense. Never saw Mosaic or anything else. There’s still a mosaic tray at one Walmart and I just giggle.

Huge increase in demand after Prizm was released, Zion wasnt even playing yet. And then trickle down effect of Optic demand being higher than its supply leading to an all-in mentality on Mosaic. And now with the pandemic spike in sports cards, that leaves Chronicles as the most anticipated retail release of the year whether it should be or not.

The retail gathering machine has become finely tuned now. There is a much greater level of coordination from new sportscard businesses established in 2020!

[chuckerrrr]

Guys its only going to get worse. You think the hobby is booming. The hobby is still mostly overlooked by the general public.

Wait til the masses see why there are 12 peeps waiting in a isle next to the checkouts.

Wait til they hear how much money can be made on the secondary market.

The masses may not give a stuff about cards or sport for that matter but one thing people love and also need to survive is money and I cant think of many easier legal ways to make quick money than flipping this stuff if you are actually lucky enough to find it in the wild.

Still even if you have to go to 5-10 stores to find it its a flippers dream. Still enough money to be made to pay for your time.

So get use to it peeps. Im not saying it is a great thing and to deal with it. All im saying is its gonna get worse. There will be fights in store like black friday, shady reps, peeps working in teams, heck even as stated above peeps putting on a walmart vest and going out back to grab the stash.

Spend $500 on retail flip $1500. $1000 profit. Most people dont even make anywhere close to that in a 40hrs working week.


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[jnmcards]

Originally Posted by jfan2024

You forgot crusade which is a T1. Given how rare the chrome parallels are, your T1s in parallel form may be a tier above on their own. The megas people are tripping over themselves to buy at $200 are only producing 1/box, usually a less desired teal and not even guaranteed to be a rookie

Not sure what Megas you’ve been opening, but all of mine have been stellar with multiple colored chromes and rookies.

That said I’m purely in this to rip right now so not sure what perspective you are taking.

[Aquagolf70]

Just ran into excel rep stocking target. No Chrome or Chronicles, said there’s been 15-20 people waiting for her at every store. It’s a second job for her as Covid has shut her small business down. She then stated it was her first and likely last shift. I don’t know if the company itself is a wreck, but I’m sure the flippers have an effect especially tight quarters of an aisle with 20 people clamoring for the same thing. She had no idea what she was walking into. I feel bad for her.

[Bob Ross]

Hobby boxes should keep tanking.

[bigjbasketball]

Originally Posted by chuckerrrr

Guys its only going to get worse. You think the hobby is booming. The hobby is still mostly overlooked by the general public.

Wait til the masses see why there are 12 peeps waiting in a isle next to the checkouts.

Wait til they hear how much money can be made on the secondary market.

The masses may not give a stuff about cards or sport for that matter but one thing people love and also need to survive is money and I cant think of many easier legal ways to make quick money than flipping this stuff if you are actually lucky enough to find it in the wild.

Still even if you have to go to 5-10 stores to find it its a flippers dream. Still enough money to be made to pay for your time.

So get use to it peeps. Im not saying it is a great thing and to deal with it. All im saying is its gonna get worse. There will be fights in store like black friday, shady reps, peeps working in teams, heck even as stated above peeps putting on a walmart vest and going out back to grab the stash.

Spend $500 on retail flip $1500. $1000 profit. Most people dont even make anywhere close to that in a 40hrs working week.


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All this stuff in bold is already happening. I’ve even heard stories of women offering sexual favors to reps to get the stock. Not sure it can get much worse. I’m not saying it will get better, but it’s pretty bad out there.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by jnmcards

Not sure what Megas you’ve been opening, but all of mine have been stellar with multiple colored chromes and rookies.

That said I’m purely in this to rip right now so not sure what perspective you are taking.

Do you have pics of your chrome parallel hits and how many boxes your ripped? Trying to figure out the odds.

[Fear of God]

The Walmart vest story sounds a bit like BS. Even if you were to find a random vest lying around how the heck would you know exactly where to look for cards in a huge stockroom you have no familiarity with. Not to mention doing all of this without anyone noticing that somebody they've never seen before is rummaging through boxes