LeBron Exquisite /99 - altered & damaged

[Deadshot]

Originally Posted by Orangejello727

Does anyone have a pic of 53/99?? I owned that card. Still have pics of it from way back. I heard it graded as a 9.5. Would love to see what it looks like now and if the patch is the same.

I don't know how current this is but it's a 9.5 in this pic

https://buynicecards.com/product/53-...gs-9-5-with-10

[Orangejello727]

Originally Posted by Deadshot

I don't know how current this is but it's a 9.5 in this pic

https://buynicecards.com/product/53-...gs-9-5-with-10

Thanks

Patch is the same as when I owned it

[AbraCalabro]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Does anybody know what # Steve is referring to in this old thread from 2017? A raw sale price of $10k would probably put it in the 2012-2013 time frame. Not surprising to see that this POS bought a raw copy for $10k and was able to turn it into an $18k sale within a week after getting it in a BGS 9.5 slab. There's only three BGS 9.5s graded in that time frame, so it shouldn't be impossible to locate.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...1159177&page=2

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Here are two of the three graded from 2012-2013.

Someone mentioned an NFL player owned 45/99 in 2015. I'm guessing that was Evan Mathis.

The one that is missing is BGS serial #7733995.

Just so I understand clearly, are you looking for an image of the LBJ RPA with the BGS serial of 7733995? If this is the same one that Tormollan is referring to, it's NOT a three color patch.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by AbraCalabro

Just so I understand clearly, are you looking for an image of the LBJ RPA with the BGS serial of 7733995? If this is the same one that Tormollan is referring to, it's NOT a three color patch.

Perfect. So Steve almost certainly was the one who graded either 45/99 or 79/99 based on his comments. Those are the only two three-color examples graded 9.5 during 2012-2013, which is the time frame where a raw Lebron Exquisite could have reasonably been expected to fetch $10,000. Although I cannot rule out him having paid more than what market value would have been a few years prior to that.

[AbraCalabro]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Perfect. So Steve almost certainly was the one who graded either 45/99 or 79/99 based on his comments. Those are the only two three-color examples graded 9.5 during 2012-2013, which is the time frame where a raw Lebron Exquisite could have reasonably been expected to fetch $10,000. Although I cannot rule out him having paid more than what market value would have been a few years prior to that.

Ok so I mildly misunderstood what you were bringing up, my bad there - thought that he was suggesting that he graded 7733995 (31/99)

If Tormollan's history/associates are any indication, then we should try to find before images of the other two (unless those were already located and posted and my memory is shot) as well as the one SuperDan posted.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by AbraCalabro

Ok so I mildly misunderstood what you were bringing up, my bad there - thought that he was suggesting that he graded 7733995 (31/99)

If Tormollan's history/associates are any indication, then we should try to find before images of the other two (unless those were already located and posted and my memory is shot) as well as the one SuperDan posted.

I've done a cursory search and could not find any raw images of those cards.

I did enjoy stumbling upon Steve's admission in that thread, which was located by another member. Big thanks to them! It is entirely possible that Steve did not alter the copy. But with his history, I would be wary.

[SHowley2003]

The most recent episode of Cardboard Chronicles featured a banned BO member. Josh and the guest attempted to address some of the negative aspects of the modern hobby as well as provide their perspective on some of the more potentially toxic aspects of the forums. I didn't agree with all the points they made but I did appreciate the attempt to directly address the concerns and to put a name and face to it. I messaged both Josh and the guest and shared that with them. I was a guest of CC early on, and have maintained a cordial relationship with Josh. I have no relationship with the guest other than he once DM'd me on social media asking about the availability of a card I posted. I did not engage with him on any deals. It was a PC card.

In follow-up the guest reached out to me and asked me to share some thoughts with the community. I have chosen to do so. I don't have any skin in this game, but I do believe in continuing the conversation. I also saw it as another attempt to bump this thread and keep it at the top. I don't endorse any of these comments, and frankly I disagree with some of them. However, I felt it was worthwhile to share. Mods, if this is inappropriate please feel free to delete.

If has any questions about my relationship with them please feel free to DM me. Out of respect for the fact that BO has banned this member I will not post any contact information for them. Nor will I share any responses from them. This was a one-time gesture.

This will be my final post. I will answer any questions and I’m happy to talk on the phone or meet in person.


PingBling23 said that the IPs for DevinKurant and HP7163 match but he is lying, or wrong. Notice that Houdini never mentioned the originating or posting IP for HP7163. I wonder why.



Then NinjaCookies says Im going through “mental stuff” and befriended him with HP7163 then flamed him with DevinKurant. It's not mental, it's two different people. Ninja is wrong. He claims that I was username Giannis, he is wrong, again. He claims I have other accounts on BO ( I have none), so NinjaCookies is wrong again, but still no less confident and condescending in his delivery. Ninja, I’m glad you found community here. I find the very large majority of your posts entertaining and beneficial to the banter on this forum. You are also a huge contributing member to the worst parts of this forum. You follow the BO mob wherever it goes. You mock anything that someone says when they try to defend themselves rather than give them any benefit of the doubt. Do you ever do your own research or do you just ride on the opinions and circumstantial evidence presented by others? I can already write your reply to this: “Claims I contribute to the worst parts of the forum, yet he started this whole mess…just lol.”



Duron, I have no idea who you are, or how I "flew off the handle." I would love some evidence of this rather than a baseless accusation that smears my reputation.



Abra – I did not close down my bennett811 ebay account. Why are you lying? Thank you for posting HP7163 ebay account. I am messaging with him about this and having a laugh. I have never met him before. He has some good stories.



I will take a lie detector test, swear under oath, swear on my son's life, bet my entire collection that I am not HP7163, that I am not involved in any kind of high end market manipulation, or that I am in cahoots with any other high end collector that involves nefarious activity. Yes I collect because I think it’s a good investment. Burn me at the stake.



The lynch mob at blowout has done some damage to the hobby. Yes, there are some well-known crooks like Gary Moser, Robert Block, Kevin Burge (and associates Keith Koenig & Vinny Ho) and Will Jaimet. BO has done great with this. But there are more instances of hanging innocent people. You guys have completely villainized some very reputable collectors and created this conspiracy that most are in cahoots. I think you would be surprised how many collectors look down on BO as toxic environment for negativity, cynicism, and conspiracy theories. When I joined BO a year ago, it made me fall in the love with the hobby. Now it makes me like it less.



Abra, you are the ringleader of most of these board members. They follow you in everything you post. Before you burn someone else, please talk to the person and get to know them before you create a conspiracy based on internet activity. Nick Uliano is a lot of things, and he might have made a mistake along the way (unlike you), but he is so far from the villain you portray and now these board members casts stones at. Nick annoys the #@#@#@#@ out of me and I’ll probably never do another deal with him. But look what you have done to his reputation…pump and dumper? Con artist? Screwing people out of cards? If he was such a brilliant con artist (pumping and dumping Jordan cards back in his teenage years as Gonblot) then why was he so stupid in using his personal name on IG and accumulating 7k followers? If you ever care to learn who Nick is, you are going to be sick to your stomach when you realize you hung the wrong guy. Trust me, it’s not a good feeling.

[KhalDrogo]

The lynch mob at blowout has done some damage to the hobby. Yes, there are some well-known crooks like Gary Moser, Robert Block, Kevin Burge (and associates Keith Koenig & Vinny Ho) and Will Jaimet. BO has done great with this. But there are more instances of hanging innocent people. You guys have completely villainized some very reputable collectors and created this conspiracy that most are in cahoots. I think you would be surprised how many collectors look down on BO as toxic environment for negativity, cynicism, and conspiracy theories. When I joined BO a year ago, it made me fall in the love with the hobby. Now it makes me like it less.

I'm dead.

[pingbling23]

he was right, in the quoted thread houdini doesnt show that hp's ip is the same as devin kurant. but, houdini is the head mod and claims they are the same so thats good enough for me. i dont think houdini would randomly connect the accounts so there has to be a clear connection.

[Orangejello727]

How can you claim you don't know any of these people in the same paragraph as saying you think they are genuine and nice people if you get to know them. You can't have it both ways.

Every one of them are all similar. Do and say whatever it takes to obtain the cards they need to fit into a social circle that accepts and recognizes them. Its a character trait.... or a flaw in my opinion. Sports cards, collecting, buying and selling is a social activity. The need to be accepted is important but does not outweigh the need to obtain a card. Guys like The27GUY and this dude Bennett along with Josh and many others will do and say anything to obtain what they want. Thereafter, they just down play any dirty activities as "lets forgive them for being dirty".

You guys know that its normal to just be upfront, honest and transparent about what you want, what you will pay and what you intend to do. Its pretty simple. Instead you treat it like a business aspect when it favours you, and a social aspect when it doesn't.

You want to be forgiven and given another chance for lying in order to cheat and steal from people by creating a false market through false data? Because deep down, "you're just a good guy". Okay.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by SHowley2003

Then NinjaCookies says Im going through “mental stuff” and befriended him with HP7163 then flamed him with DevinKurant. It's not mental, it's two different people. Ninja is wrong. He claims that I was username Giannis, he is wrong, again. He claims I have other accounts on BO ( I have none), so NinjaCookies is wrong again, but still no less confident and condescending in his delivery. Ninja, I’m glad you found community here. I find the very large majority of your posts entertaining and beneficial to the banter on this forum. You are also a huge contributing member to the worst parts of this forum. You follow the BO mob wherever it goes. You mock anything that someone says when they try to defend themselves rather than give them any benefit of the doubt. Do you ever do your own research or do you just ride on the opinions and circumstantial evidence presented by others? I can already write your reply to this: “Claims I contribute to the worst parts of the forum, yet he started this whole mess…just lol.”
[/B]

Ok now I'm confused. So you were DevinKurant this entire time? Unless I'm missing something you're referring to yourself in first person and addressing my thoughts on HP and DK, so I'm assuming this to be the case.

If this is so, then why would you be so proud in creating an alternate persona to hide behind your views? I have a certain level of respect for people who speak their minds regardless how brazen they may be, but doing it behind an alternate guise I just can't get behind. Say what you mean and mean what you say.


Again, I'm entirely confused. I've never had a problem with the person who operates this SHLow account, but now that you've somehow taken ownership of either the HP or DK moniker...it doesn't make you look good...in any respects.


Correct me if I'm wrong.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Ok now I'm confused. So you were DevinKurant this entire time? Unless I'm missing something you're referring to yourself in first person and addressing my thoughts on HP and DK, so I'm assuming this to be the case.

If this is so, then why would you be so proud in creating an alternate persona to hide behind your views? I have a certain level of respect for people who speak their minds regardless how brazen they may be, but doing it behind an alternate guise I just can't get behind. Say what you mean and mean what you say.


Again, I'm entirely confused. I've never had a problem with the person who operates this SHLow account, but now that you've somehow taken ownership of either the HP or DK moniker...it doesn't make you look good...in any respects.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Cmon cookie man! SHowley2003 was posting a message from DK. I don’t know why on earth a respected member would chose to post a message from a banned member, but he did.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Cmon cookie man! SHowley2003 was posting a message from DK. I don’t know why on earth a respected member would chose to post a message from a banned member, but he did.

God damnit. I suck. Thanks for pointing that out. It made no sense when I read it and I had a feeling the bolded meant something.

Apologies, SH!! We've always been good bro.


And HP is still DK, imo.

[SHowley2003]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Cmon cookie man! SHowley2003 was posting a message from DK. I don’t know why on earth a respected member would chose to post a message from a banned member, but he did.

Yeah, I’m not sure why I chose to share his message. I honestly don’t know the guy and don’t care what happens to his reputation on the forum. The whole PBM and IP address stuff is beyond my knowledge or level of caring so I can’t even develop an educated take of my own on that aspect of it. I do agree that at times the threads can be toxic and there can be a bit of a mob mentality. I guess if someone who came out on the accused side of that wanted to try and address the community then I see value in that. In the end I probably just did it out of curiosity to see what the response would be. Maybe it was a dumb move on my part.

Overall, the work of the members here has been extremely valuable to the hobby. It’s been eye opening seeing how much fraud there is. I do want to reiterate that personally I have had nothing but positive experiences with all the members DK mentioned. His thoughts are his own.

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

God damnit. I suck. Thanks for pointing that out. It made no sense when I read it and I had a feeling the bolded meant something.

Apologies, SH!! We've always been good bro.


And HP is still DK, imo.

No worries man. Sorry for the confusion! I wish I were actually DK. That dude has some serious cash reserves!

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by SHowley2003

No worries man. Sorry for the confusion!

Haha...that's on me, brutha. I knew that couldn't have been you because you're always cordial and never confrontational. Thanks for relaying the info though

[AbraCalabro]

Even if he is not HP7163, he has come back three other times and has been appropriately banned, that's a best case scenario. I will opt to trust houdini over you, based on your entire history on BO, you've been full of it. ...and by the way, in houdini's post, as an Admin he has the option to see other IP addresses for any one user, you have no idea what information he has access to.

Originally Posted by houdini

97.75.126.171 : 97-75-126-171.static-ip.telepacific.net
Post IP Addresses

• DevinKurant 97.75.126.171 [Find Posts by User] [View Other IP Addresses for this User]
• JackMart916 97.75.126.171 [Find Posts by User] [View Other IP Addresses for this User]

Registration IP Addresses

• budapestsc 97.75.126.171 [Find Posts by User] [View Other IP Addresses for this User]
• DevinKurant 97.75.126.171 [Find Posts by User] [View Other IP Addresses for this User]

He has exhibited a petty nature numerous times in the past and as far as flying off the handle, let's go back to the post where he, in fact, tried to smear designerjewelsbykarina (thread link posted again here, made under the user name HP7163 with the claim of being located in Los Angeles, when in fact, HP7163 is located in Texas (seeing a pattern here?): https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...p?t=1249722)in a baseless attack, all because this petulant child didn't get his way. The same thing happened in another instance which resulted in him accusing BNC (in this very thread: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...1&postcount=91) of being the type of person to trim a card and this accusation wasn't based on evidence, it was based on not getting his way with Eric. So...what in the hell is he talking about? (Also, notice the admission of multi accounts here: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...7&postcount=57)

He absolutely closed down the Bennett811 account as it would not resolve on any device I tried to access it from on more than any one day for about a week. At the time I made my post it was not accessible and even before that it was not accessible.



The drivel about taking a lie detector test and all that is hot air, he knows that he will never even arrive at that bridge, so spare us the non-sense.

Reference to lynch mobs at BO always comes from the same M.O., BO doesn't paint anyone as a villain, those individuals do it to themselves and then get called out for it and then they want to play the victim because they can't scam, lie, cheat, defraud, or rip any one off anymore.

I'm not the ring leader of anything. Nick Uliano has had stones thrown at him under the online handle of Gonblott, as he deserved, for a long time, long before I made that post exposing him as being NYFAN2014 and being up to the same practices he was well known for as Gonblott. He used the Nick Uliano name on IG because he got comfortable and thought that people forgot who Gonblott was. Why is he still pretending to be a father/son duo on Blowout? Why does he claim that he is not based in the U.S.? If he's such a good guy, why didn't he sign up as Gonblott...oh, let me guess your reply: "Because he knows he'd get flamed." Why is he defending BNC as a good guy, despite the clear evidence against him? Why are YOU defending BNC even though the latter has no problem defrauding people as has been proven in numerous instances?

I could go on and on, but the reality is nothing you posted has any basis, while the opposite is true for claims you try and fail to refute. You and the boys go have a fun time talking about how toxic and negative I am, while posting zero substance.


Also, HP7163, as mentioned claims to be located in LA, he is not, he's in TX
Also, DevinKurant claims TX location, he's actually not lying here
JackMart916 claimed to be from Kansas...huh, why would an honest fella' do that?
budapestsc looks like it got clipped before he could post

The odd thing though...the IP address listed for DevinKurant, JackMart916 and budapestsc belong to a small ISP headquartered in Los Angeles, same location that HP7163 claimed to be from...huh...I wonder what's up with that. HOWEVER...they also have numerous locations in Texas, including, Richardson, TX, where the bennett811 account claims its location. Thanks for turning the account back on and if that's not the case, I'm glad it's accessible again.

Here's the ISP website, on this page they list their locations: https://www.tpx.com/contact-support/office-locations/ (Richardson, TX listed under the heading of Dallas) Anyone that doesn't believe me can run the IP address listed in the quote by Houdini above and it will resolve to TelePacific Communications, again, HQ in L.A.

Bennett811 auction, note the location:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2015-Bowman...QAAOSwihxdHR~D

HP7163 auction, not the location...in Denison, TEXAS, (about an hour away) not Los Angeles (gosh, do those fingernails look familiar? Where have I seen those before? Maybe it's his twin brother that he mentioned in his interview, I don't know, honestly.)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2018-Topps-...p2047675.l2557

I'm sure this is all just some big coincidence. Can you spare a nickel so I can buy some cards, mistuh'?

[Deadshot]

I've voiced this before but I think the whole "mob" thing is a bit overplayed. Are there some people who are a little overzealous or a little too aggressive in going after others? Yes, for sure. But a lot of the same people who bemoan what Blowout has become aren't doing much of anything to try and make it better. It's just consume consume consume. It's not rocket science.

[rookies]

Don't forget the people who started and spoke very early on.
Chapman and 27 guy. The 27guy should be a TOP person to not be trusted on blowout. Same guy pumping /8 gala cards. I have heard other stories as well.

[mindcycle]

Originally Posted by houdini

97.75.126.171 : 97-75-126-171.static-ip.telepacific.net
Post IP Addresses

• DevinKurant 97.75.126.171 [Find Posts by User] [View Other IP Addresses for this User]
• JackMart916 97.75.126.171 [Find Posts by User] [View Other IP Addresses for this User]

Registration IP Addresses

• budapestsc 97.75.126.171 [Find Posts by User] [View Other IP Addresses for this User]
• DevinKurant 97.75.126.171 [Find Posts by User] [View Other IP Addresses for this User]

This is why the dude was banned.. Three user account with the same IP used to register, case closed. No lie detector needed.

I watched the interview and I do agree with some of the points brought up, but he loses a lot of creditably when he’s trying to claim he didn’t setup multiple accounts.. I mean, it’s pretty clear, lol.

[DajuanWagner]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Is Josh one of the guys who runs that goofy how to collect cards website?

Yes, that would be the guy...……...

[DajuanWagner]

Originally Posted by rookies

Don't forget the people who started and spoke very early on.
Chapman and 27 guy. The 27guy should be a TOP person to not be trusted on blowout. Same guy pumping /8 gala cards. I have heard other stories as well.

Why can't everyone see that, though?????????????????????????????

[gomiamigo]

Nice guy, salt of the earth, fair to deal with, loves his kids, bought me a Coke once...

[Jasondr91]

Can somebody wake me up when Haiku or that Salvation Army scammer are featured on that Cardboard Chronicals show?

[Deadshot]

Originally Posted by Jasondr91

Can somebody wake me up when Haiku or that Salvation Army scammer are featured on that Cardboard Chronicals show?

I want all questions to be answered in 5 7 5 format

[jjohnson814]

Originally Posted by Jasondr91

Can somebody wake me up when Haiku or that Salvation Army scammer are featured on that Cardboard Chronicals show?

Send them my way. I'll do it.

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