Michael Jordan RC, PSA 10, shatters 100k !!!

[hermanotarjeta]

Can people who cannot afford to actually buy a psa 10 fleer jordan rookie have a legitimate opinion on what the price should be?

I mean, it's easy to buy things with blowout monopoly money, but when it comes down to actually doing the transaction, how valid is one's opinion if you only buy retail boxes of basketball products and have spent at most $1000 on a single card ever in your life?

[sebreg]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Can people who cannot afford to actually buy a psa 10 fleer jordan rookie have a legitimate opinion on what the price should be?

I mean, it's easy to buy things with blowout monopoly money, but when it comes down to actually doing the transaction, how valid is one's opinion if you only buy retail boxes of basketball products and have spent at most $1000 on a single card ever in your life?

Can people who don't have the money have opinions on expensive cards? Of course they can. Some may be more on point than others, but if you are automatically going to invalidate someone's opinions because their bank accounts aren't big enough that strikes me as a bit of classist gatekeeping.

[duron]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Can people who cannot afford to actually buy a psa 10 fleer jordan rookie have a legitimate opinion on what the price should be?

I mean, it's easy to buy things with blowout monopoly money, but when it comes down to actually doing the transaction, how valid is one's opinion if you only buy retail boxes of basketball products and have spent at most $1000 on a single card ever in your life?

Answering no would be as illogical as those who say you can’t have opinions because “you don’t know my/the/our struggle.” Same faulty thinking but on the other end of the spectrum.

[alphaomegas]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Can people who cannot afford to actually buy a psa 10 fleer jordan rookie have a legitimate opinion on what the price should be?

I mean, it's easy to buy things with blowout monopoly money, but when it comes down to actually doing the transaction, how valid is one's opinion if you only buy retail boxes of basketball products and have spent at most $1000 on a single card ever in your life?

How you know they don’t have one?? I see rich people who dress as poor and poor people in debt dress as rich. You don’t know who can or can’t afford something.

[Retired hobbist]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

But I could understand the shipping price if it was delivered by an armored vehicle with armed guards.

That would be a half mile run, armored cars have expensive pick ups and the fuel costs are insane, plus 3 guards have to be paid plus management and dispatch and the vehicles cost 6 figures.

That said at that stupid a price shipping should be free.

[auburn35]

Regarding the recent 180k sale of the Jordan RC, can anyone explain why the listing was purged from eBay and PWCC's sold items?

Shilled auction, cancelled sale,....?

[Ericc5Bears]

Originally Posted by auburn35

Regarding the recent 180k sale of the Jordan RC, can anyone explain why the listing was purged from eBay and PWCC's sold items?

Shilled auction, cancelled sale,....?

Interesting, I definitely saw it in the PWCC sold database at one point but it does seem to be gone now, odd for sure.

[ninjacookies]

Goldin probably sent a cease&desist letter with Lee Harvey Oswald's face on it.

Big money don't play.

[sebreg]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Goldin probably sent a cease&desist letter with Lee Harvey Oswald's face on it.

Big money don't play.

Ha, I saw he popped up in Rovell's twitter thread about this sale. He seemed big big mad. There are so many INTERESTING characters in this racket. It's a weird mix of disheartening, entertaining, and hilarious.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by sebreg

Ha, I saw he popped up in Rovell's twitter thread about this sale. He seemed big big mad. There are so many INTERESTING characters in this racket. It's a weird mix of disheartening, entertaining, and hilarious.

A lot of big dogs affected by that sale. Where there's power, there's corruption and fear.

I'm 99.9% certain that record wouldn't have mysteriously vanished if it set a new monthly high... In fact, it probably would have been plastered all over social media.

[sebreg]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

A lot of big dogs affected by that sale. Where there's power, there's corruption and fear.

I'm 99.9% certain that record wouldn't have mysteriously vanished if it set a new monthly high... In fact, it probably would have been plastered all over social media.

Haha! Surely these people are running a straight game, no doubt no doubt. Because I trust the Masters of the Universe, sometimes they even give us crumbs.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by sebreg

Because I trust the Masters of the Universe, sometimes they give us crumbs.

[notfast]

PWCC posts it was an ebay error and the transaction was void.

And people still want to buy all these “record prices” being legit…There’s so much BS when you get this much $ involved.

[ninjacookies]

If I'm the winning bigger on that voided sale, I'm taking PWCC to small claims. That's just laughable.


Then again, it was probably one of their many in-house shill accounts with 243 retractions.


They voiding every single other auction that took place during that time frame?

[Retired hobbist]

Originally Posted by duron

Answering no would be as illogical as those who say you can’t have opinions because “you don’t know my/the/our struggle.” Same faulty thinking but on the other end of the spectrum.

A manager of an auction house could have more knowledge than anybody but an extremely knowledgeable high end collector. I doubt a manager of X auction house could ever afford 10's of any of recent hot rookies.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by notfast

PWCC posts it was an ebay error and the transaction was void.

And people still want to buy all these “record prices” being legit…There’s so much BS when you get this much $ involved.

Why is this BS? You had numerous legitimate individuals post screenshots of their bids being denied. eBay did the right thing.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by ReggieBush22

Never knew about the Baltimore News Ruth until you mentioned it and I've been collecting since 1986. Rarity and high $$ doesn't necessarily mean iconic. Iconic to me would mean it would have to be well known. The other 3, I agree with.

The 4th, how about the Griffey Upper Deck? It's mass produced but it is such a singular card in sportcard history and sort of ushered in the new age technology (at the time) of sportscards when Upper Deck came aboard. Or maybe even the 1933 Goudy Ruth?

The Baltimore News Ruth recently sold for 6 million dollars. It was all over the news, both regular and in hobby publications. I don't see how anyone in the hobby doesn't know about this card. The 89UD Griffey was a thing in the 90s, but iconic cards don't crash in price. No one has lost 80-90% on a BN Ruth.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by rats60

The Baltimore News Ruth recently sold for 6 million dollars. It was all over the news, both regular and in hobby publications. I don't see how anyone in the hobby doesn't know about this card. The 89UD Griffey was a thing in the 90s, but iconic cards don't crash in price. No one has lost 80-90% on a BN Ruth.

It did not sell for $6M. The “sold” price was undisclosed. Then a tiny fraction of the card was offered at a valuation of $6M.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

If I'm the winning bigger on that voided sale, I'm taking PWCC to small claims. That's just laughable.


Then again, it was probably one of their many in-house shill accounts with 243 retractions.


They voiding every single other auction that took place during that time frame?

No PWCC forgot to shill the card. No need to void the sale if PWCC had won the card.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

It did not sell for $6M. The “sold” price was undisclosed. Then a tiny fraction of the card was offered at a valuation of $6M.

It sold close enough to 6 million dollars. It set a record for the highest price ever paid for a sports card. My point is that everyone in the hobby should know the card. Head stuck in the sand is no excuse. It is the most iconic sports card after the t206 Honus Wagner.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by rats60

No PWCC forgot to shill the card. No need to void the sale if PWCC had won the card.

Of course.

When has this ever happened before, anyways? Ebay's had countless of unforeseen downtimes and glitches in its history.

Now all the sudden a key kard undersells and let's press reset?

[hairyangryfella]

Originally Posted by rats60

It sold close enough to 6 million dollars. It set a record for the highest price ever paid for a sports card. My point is that everyone in the hobby should know the card. Head stuck in the sand is no excuse. It is the most iconic sports card after the t206 Honus Wagner.

Lol, ok. "Everyone in the hobby" (rembering this is the basketball section) "should know the card"... An obscure old baseball card. "EVERYONE".....
You are clearly into old cards, but a lot of people couldnt care less about a card they had never heard of until this 'record sale'.

[ReggieBush22]

Originally Posted by rats60

The Baltimore News Ruth recently sold for 6 million dollars. It was all over the news, both regular and in hobby publications. I don't see how anyone in the hobby doesn't know about this card. The 89UD Griffey was a thing in the 90s, but iconic cards don't crash in price. No one has lost 80-90% on a BN Ruth.

Like I said in my initial response, rarity and high $$$ doesn't necessarily make a card iconic. Far more people recognize the 1933 Ruth Goudey anywys when it comes to Ruth. An iconic card has to be very well recognized by most collectors and made an indelible imprint in the hobby in some way.

That Ruth card simply doesn't qualify. The Griffey, while abundant and quite inexpensive, is incredibly well known and left an indelible imprint in the hobby.

[notfast]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Why is this BS? You had numerous legitimate individuals post screenshots of their bids being denied. eBay did the right thing.

My guess is this card was supposed to have the “special bidding” that PWCC normally has…allowing only buyers who have been verified and/or bid prior to 24 hrs left. Wasn’t listed in auction, but maybe that box was ticked with ebay….thus causing issues.

[GOATcards]

Originally Posted by ReggieBush22

Never knew about the Baltimore News Ruth until you mentioned it and I've been collecting since 1986. Rarity and high $$ doesn't necessarily mean iconic. Iconic to me would mean it would have to be well known. The other 3, I agree with.

The 4th, how about the Griffey Upper Deck? It's mass produced but it is such a singular card in sportcard history and sort of ushered in the new age technology (at the time) of sportscards when Upper Deck came aboard. Or maybe even the 1933 Goudy Ruth?

The M101 Ruth RC (the Baltimore card being a Minor League one, and distinguished most by its very extreme rarity) is the grail Ruth card that you can actually find (although they are getting very pricey).

The T206 Wagner is, again, distinguished most by its extreme rarity; intrinsically Wagner's status in the sport is roughly on par with Cobb's.

What about the OPC Gretzky? What if the Mt Rushmore of cards has one from each of the 4 major American team sports. That would put the Brady ticket on there, giving us: Gretzky, Brady, Ruth, MJ.