Patrick Mahomes Prices

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by Delta5

Not even 2. Maybe 2 TDs is what we should expect for a good game for Mahomie nowadays

I'm sure all Chiefs fans will take 1 td and a win over 6 tds and a loss

[TheCrow]

Originally Posted by Chris P

I'm sure all Chiefs fans will take 1 td and a win over 6 tds and a loss

Yes.

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by Chris P

I'm sure all Chiefs fans will take 1 td and a win over 6 tds and a loss

Really? I saw someone argued otherwise, but that besides the point. Congrats on your 1st seed, hopefully those offense is enough to win you playoff games. Would be a shame if we dont meet again in January

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by Delta5

Really? I saw someone argued otherwise, but that besides the point. Congrats on your 1st seed, hopefully those offense is enough to win you playoff games. Would be a shame if we dont meet again in January

What's this "we" stuff. I'm not a Chiefs fan. If Mahomes loses..I don't care. I don't live off his potential failures like you do. He's already a proven winner regardless of what you think

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by Chris P

What's this "we" stuff. I'm not a Chiefs fan. If Mahomes loses..I don't care. I don't live off his potential failures like you do. He's already a proven winner regardless of what you think

Then why you're defending these pathetic offense? 50% on Redzone? Like that's something to be proud of

[weeds73]

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[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by Chris P

What's this "we" stuff. I'm not a Chiefs fan. If Mahomes loses..I don't care. I don't live off his potential failures like you do. He's already a proven winner regardless of what you think

Your common sense isn't appreciated on an internet forum sir

[SleeperCards]

It's been a good week.

[SleeperCards]

Just gonna leave this here as well.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

after a couple teaser games, the Chiefs offense is back to being hot garbage and the defense is back to being it's dominant self.

This is going to be a sack/field goal fest.


Going to bed early. Chiefs 22-10 when I wake up tomorrow.

Okay, I was close on the Chiefs score, not so much on the Chargers score, but my draft kings account is happy.



My advice? NEVER bet against the Chiefs.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by Delta5

Then why you're defending these pathetic offense? 50% on Redzone? Like that's something to be proud of

I'm defending winning because that's what they are doing. You can give me all the stats and records to downplay what they are doing. It doesn't matter to me. 12-1 matters. The bye matters. You pretend is doesn't now, bc the Bills lost their "cakewalk" matchup (the same cakewalk type of matchups you relentlessly crap on the Chiefs for winning).

What's pathetic is your obsession with Mahomes and the Chiefs. I don't even honestly know what you think is gonna happen if the Bills beat the Chiefs in the playoffs and win a Super Bowl. You think it's some big gotcha moment. It would be an awesome accomplishment for sure, but in your mind you think you'd own the Chiefs fans on here for something their team has done 3 times already. It's weird

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

Okay, I was close on the Chiefs score, not so much on the Chargers score, but my draft kings account is happy.



My advice? NEVER bet against the Chiefs.

Better advice ? Always bet against Chiefs spread

[jjrpilot]

I love Mahomes. Literally putting the team on his back.

[TSonn]

Mahomes v Allen is really reminding of the Curry v LeBron at this point.

Mahomes is Curry. More artistic than physical, changed the game in the way they play their role, none like them previously.

Allen is Lebron. More physical than artistic, fits a previous archetype but does it maybe better than anyone before, bigger/stronger than everyone before them.

Way more likely to see Allen just drained the on the sideline from dominating all game throwing + running. Rarely see Mahomes winded on the sidelines.

Obviously Allen needs some SBs to really be considered LeBron, but the way they play the game and their impact is similar. Just like Mahomes and Curry, but Mahomes has the SBs like Curry has rings.

[codered]

Right now the chiefs are that guy that sits down at the blackjack table and wins every hand even though he plays against all conventional statistical rules. Splitting kings vs. A dealer 6, hitting on 18 when the dealer is showing a 7 and waving off on a 14 when the dealer is showing a face card.

Everyone at the table is frustrated as all hell knowing that they “shouldn’t” be winning all these hands but the lucky bastard is laughing all the way to the bank haha

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by codered

Right now the chiefs are that guy that sits down at the blackjack table and wins every hand even though he plays against all conventional statistical rules. Splitting kings vs. A dealer 6, hitting on 18 when the dealer is showing a 7 and waving off on a 14 when the dealer is showing a face card.

Everyone at the table is frustrated as all hell knowing that they “shouldn’t” be winning all these hands but the lucky bastard is laughing all the way to the bank haha

I absolutely disagree...

I think they're the guy who sits down at the table, plays boring 'by the book' black jack..... hits on 16 vs a 10, squeaks out a win and walks away.

Last night was a perfect example. You get the ball with 5 mins left down 1, drain the clock to 1 second, and let your kicker make the chip shot FG. This 'luck' narrative doesn't hold up last night. Luck would be if the 31 yard FG hit the upright and clinked out.

I keep bringing this up: Mahomes now has 7 game winning drives this season. That's past the point of luck... it's excellent situational football.

[jacksonjj]

Chiefs could've easily scored a TD to end the game if that was needed. They marched down with ease and melted the clock. You could tell Harbaugh knew inevitable was coming.

[pejc300]

Originally Posted by TSonn

Mahomes v Allen is really reminding of the Curry v LeBron at this point.

Mahomes is Curry. More artistic than physical, changed the game in the way they play their role, none like them previously.

Allen is Lebron. More physical than artistic, fits a previous archetype but does it maybe better than anyone before, bigger/stronger than everyone before them.

Way more likely to see Allen just drained the on the sideline from dominating all game throwing + running. Rarely see Mahomes winded on the sidelines.

Obviously Allen needs some SBs to really be considered LeBron, but the way they play the game and their impact is similar. Just like Mahomes and Curry, but Mahomes has the SBs like Curry has rings.

In some ways it's a shame that Delta (who I have blocked so I only see when people quote him) has kind of pitted Allen vs. Mahomes here. We live in such a black and white world and people often feel forced to choose one or the other, when he reality is usually much more gray. Josh Allen is a BEAST. He is fun to watch, makes amazing plays, is currently playing the best football of his career, is guiding a very scary offense, and -as you said - just leaves it all on the field every time. If the Chiefs don't win it this year, I would be happy for Josh who seems like a genuinely good dude. I think most of us football fans agree that Josh is great and is playing out of his mind right now. No need for us to pit one against the other.

If I hadn't seen Mahomes and the Chiefs literally break the hearts of every team in the Playoffs who was supposed to beat them, I would be terrified of the Bills in the playoffs this year. Heck, let's be honest, I am terrified of them, even though I know history shows I should not be.

Originally Posted by tjforce

I absolutely disagree...

I think they're the guy who sits down at the table, plays boring 'by the book' black jack..... hits on 16 vs a 10, squeaks out a win and walks away.

Last night was a perfect example. You get the ball with 5 mins left down 1, drain the clock to 1 second, and let your kicker make the chip shot FG. This 'luck' narrative doesn't hold up last night. Luck would be if the 31 yard FG hit the upright and clinked out.

I keep bringing this up: Mahomes now has 7 game winning drives this season. That's past the point of luck... it's excellent situational football.

Again...not either or. It can be both. Look, it wasn't lucky that the Chiefs blocked a field goal to win a game as that takes great skill. It wasn't lucky that they got a PI call against the Bengals, because it WAS PI. At the same time, we can say it was lucky that Aidan O'Connell completely crapped the bed and missed a snap. It WAS lucky that the terrible kick last night bounced in, instead of out. I don't know what the statistics are, but I'd bet the number of field goals that hit the post and bounce out far exceeds the ones that bounce in. It was a horrible kick, and the Chiefs were fortunate/lucky it went there way.

Again, people want to make it black or white - they are "lucky" or they're not. It's both. Mahomes is a machine. He is the Terminator in the 4th quarter, especially on final possessions. That is NOT luck. He has a gear that just a handful of players we've ever seen have. He still doesn't get enough credit, which is mind blowing. But the Chiefs absolutely could be 8-5 if a few things didn't go their way, and that's okay.

Side note: we really really need the bye week in the Playoffs. Having an early bye week SUCKED. I hope we can finish strong.

[foleylion08]

It's just a different brand than people are used to from KC. Patrick used to be comfortably stretched out on the bench for the last couple drives of a fourth quarter for years. This is his first season to date that he has taken 100% of offensive snaps.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by tjforce

I absolutely disagree...

I think they're the guy who sits down at the table, plays boring 'by the book' black jack..... hits on 16 vs a 10, squeaks out a win and walks away.

Last night was a perfect example. You get the ball with 5 mins left down 1, drain the clock to 1 second, and let your kicker make the chip shot FG. This 'luck' narrative doesn't hold up last night. Luck would be if the 31 yard FG hit the upright and clinked out.

I keep bringing this up: Mahomes now has 7 game winning drives this season. That's past the point of luck... it's excellent situational football.

I don't know what the strategy would be, but sometimes it seems like Reid and KC are purposely keeping the games close.

If they get up too much then it puts more strain on the DBs (their weakness on defense)?

Or maybe they just don't want to show anything from their playoff playbook in going for the 3-peat. Maybe previous 3-peat attempts have failed because the team in the 3rd year went full throttle when they should've been at half throttle until the playoffs.

They are playing with fire trying to always play for the last possession knowing that Mahomes can go get 3 or 7.

[pejc300]

Also...the Chiefs are -4 on the season in TO difference. Bottom 5 in sacks. Bottom 2 in takeaways. Thankfully top 5 in points allowed. We are getting no pressure; our blitzes aren't getting through, and our secondary is absolutely bankrupt right now. There is no way we are winning any shootouts. I hope we can get a few of these fixed soon.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by pejc300

In some ways it's a shame that Delta (who I have blocked so I only see when people quote him) has kind of pitted Allen vs. Mahomes here. We live in such a black and white world and people often feel forced to choose one or the other, when he reality is usually much more gray. Josh Allen is a BEAST. He is fun to watch, makes amazing plays, is currently playing the best football of his career, is guiding a very scary offense, and -as you said - just leaves it all on the field every time. If the Chiefs don't win it this year, I would be happy for Josh who seems like a genuinely good dude. I think most of us football fans agree that Josh is great and is playing out of his mind right now. No need for us to pit one against the other.

Agree! Allen is playing ridiculous right now, no doubt about that. I'd start to worry about Allen vs Mahomes if Allen had anywhere close to Mahomes legacy stats. This year he'll probably get at least his first (MVP) and he'll be at 10% of what Mahomes has (assuming Mahomes doesn't get another SBMVP).

[pejc300]

Originally Posted by TSonn

I don't know what the strategy would be, but sometimes it seems like Reid and KC are purposely keeping the games close.

If they get up too much then it puts more strain on the DBs (their weakness on defense)?

Or maybe they just don't want to show anything from their playoff playbook in going for the 3-peat. Maybe previous 3-peat attempts have failed because the team in the 3rd year went full throttle when they should've been at half throttle until the playoffs.

They are playing with fire trying to always play for the last possession knowing that Mahomes can go get 3 or 7.

I agree. I don't think they want these close games - they would love to win some blowouts - but there is no doubt they are holding back some of their creativity. In the Playoffs you just see the entire game plan change and the full arsenal of creativity on display.

Also, I've said it before and I'll say it again...Mahomes wife is pregnant and due in a few weeks. He's got 2 other kids 3 and under. By all accounts he's a present father/husband. He HAS to be exhausted. Come playoffs they will hire 24 nannies if they need to and he will be completely locked in. Right now he's got a lot of competing priorities. Honestly, the same is true of Kelce. He's doing shows/movies/dating the world's most famous person. He's playing hard and making plays when it counts, but he's just coasting to the Playoffs. He will absolutely show up when it matters.

[jplarson]

Originally Posted by pejc300

In some ways it's a shame that Delta (who I have blocked so I only see when people quote him) has kind of pitted Allen vs. Mahomes here. We live in such a black and white world and people often feel forced to choose one or the other, when he reality is usually much more gray. Josh Allen is a BEAST. He is fun to watch, makes amazing plays, is currently playing the best football of his career, is guiding a very scary offense, and -as you said - just leaves it all on the field every time. If the Chiefs don't win it this year, I would be happy for Josh who seems like a genuinely good dude. I think most of us football fans agree that Josh is great and is playing out of his mind right now. No need for us to pit one against the other.

Well said. I watched the early 90s Bills make it 4 straight times to come up short. Though they are immortalized in Tecmo Super Bowl as perhaps the 2nd best team led by QB Bills. The good times with Doug Flutie football at the end of the 90s. The time when the Andy Dalton-led Bengals won a game that sent the Bills to the playoffs and Bills fans responded by donating to Dalton's foundation. A genuine moment there. They have one of many former Bears QBs as their backup. The Bills have had so many fun teams I'd be happy to see them in the Super Bowl. The NFL is a better product with guys like Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes in it.

It really is a shame one guy makes it such a chore to enjoy that team from afar. The straight up antagonism is off-putting.

[Earlsnake07]

Agree with your comment pejc - the bye week is MUCH needed.

Secondary is the worst I can remember in a while - because our d-line is not getting home. Humphries looked like a guy who had been on his couch the past year....o-line is in shambles. When Wanya came into the game I literally got 5 texts saying ....GREAT.

Calling Jameis' line now.......325+ passing, 2 TDs & 2 Int's