Juan Soto Rejects $440M Offer From Nats - Page 15

LVDan · 07-20-2022, 02:44 PM

god I can't wait for games to start again tomorrow

Silent George · 07-20-2022, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JRX

Well he seems pretty adamant that he's going to test fa or you're going to have to offer him enough to not even consider it. When it comes to roster construction, is it worth having 40-45m locked into one player especially if you can't afford a 250m payroll like the dodgers and ny teams.

I haven't seen that he's adamant to test FA - it could be true, after all: Boras - but ultimately the words they've said about Washington being in a slow rebuild, with unknown management in the future, etc., are all very viable reasons. So I'm not convinced.

And teams can afford a lot more than they let on for players. A lot more. The flexibility found in contracts now is incredible.

The Marlins, the poorest team in baseball, signed Stanton to that massive contract. And everyone said, HOW CAN THEY AFFORD THAT, and the answer was they kept Stanton for 3 cheap prime years, and traded him to the Yankees (where they did throw in some cash). In other words, it was actually a very good deal for the Marlins.

Put it all together and the Marlins got 3 prime years of Stanton, and a few throw in players, for 60 million dollars, 1/2 of which they didn't have to pay for a decade. Deal.

Silent George · 07-20-2022, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by LVDan

god I can't wait for games to start again tomorrow

It's the absolute worst day of the year. Worse than the offseason.

atk825 · 07-20-2022, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

You probably have a "no trade clause" in your profession too. What if your employer told you that you were going to move to a department located in the damp basement, with "Florida Man" everywhere, and you weren't getting paid any more money?

How long would you stay, how long before you started complaining, or how long before the work environment became hostile?

The difference is that Soto is under contract in a league that has an anti trust exemption with the government so his only recourse is just retiring which he won’t do. I don’t think the trade would happen but it’s an interesting trade between an elite 23 year old for three postseason runs or an elite prospect for 11 years.

JRX · 07-20-2022, 03:12 PM

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The difference is that Soto is under contract in a league that has an anti trust exemption with the government so his only recourse is just retiring which he won’t do. I don’t think the trade would happen but it’s an interesting trade between an elite 23 year old for three postseason runs or an elite prospect for 11 years.

Also, why the hell wouldn't he want to go from WAS to TB? He'd be in the playoffs each year and have a shot at another WS.

rngrdanny22 · 07-20-2022, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JRX

Also, why the hell wouldn't he want to go from WAS to TB? He'd be in the playoffs each year and have a shot at another WS.

Because like mentioned elsewhere, nearly half the league makes the playoffs and "has a chance at another WS".

Why would he WANT to go to Tampa and play in front of a minor league crowd when any of the other juggernaut teams would take him?

Viking6 · 07-20-2022, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

Because like mentioned elsewhere, nearly half the league makes the playoffs and "has a chance at another WS".

Why would he WANT to go to Tampa and play in front of a minor league crowd when any of the other juggernaut teams would take him?

Florida has no state income tax. Probably wouldn't mind an extra 5% on his paychecks

rngrdanny22 · 07-20-2022, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Viking6

Florida has no state income tax. Probably wouldn't mind an extra 5% on his paychecks

That's true. Texas also has no income tax...

SearchPatrol · 07-20-2022, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by atk825

The difference is that Soto is under contract in a league that has an anti trust exemption with the government so his only recourse is just retiring which he won’t do. I don’t think the trade would happen but it’s an interesting trade between an elite 23 year old for three postseason runs or an elite prospect for 11 years.

Anti-Trust has NOTHING to do with this.

Soto is a Union member of the MLBPA. They negotiate with the Owners. The Contract that these two sign, dictates the rules of free-agency.

BdotHobbs · 07-20-2022, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Zauron

Houston homers are hilarious.

Tucker is not a gold glove level defender. He's good, but come on. And Soto's bat is clearly better than Tucker, and also 2 years younger.

So if someone is a gold glove finalist 2 years in a row you can’t call them a “gold glove level defender”?

And I clearly said Soto has a Top 5 bat in the league. I’ve stated multiple times I don’t think the Astros are going to be able to put together a better package than other teams. But they should absolutely be putting an offer together. There’s nothing delusional about that.

KhalDrogo · 07-20-2022, 05:14 PM

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So if someone is a gold glove finalist 2 years in a row you can’t call them a “gold glove level defender”?

Soto was a GG finalist in 2019.

Silent George · 07-20-2022, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BdotHobbs

So if someone is a gold glove finalist 2 years in a row you can’t call them a “gold glove level defender”?

And I clearly said Soto has a Top 5 bat in the league. I’ve stated multiple times I don’t think the Astros are going to be able to put together a better package than other teams. But they should absolutely be putting an offer together. There’s nothing delusional about that.

beer league softball teams should be putting offers together for Soto. It's the "or Best Offer" of MLB

Silent George · 07-20-2022, 05:46 PM

Not sure how someone could downplay how good Tucker is in RF. His worst metrics rate him above average. His best rate him as nearly the best RF in the game.

Stech36 · 07-20-2022, 06:01 PM

Man, a lot of you don’t understand how valuable Kyle Tucker is. And especially don’t understand how valuable that extra year of control is.

It wouldn’t be a 1:1 trade, but it wouldn’t take all that much more. It also probably wouldn’t make much sense for the Astros or Nationals to pull the trigger for that very reason.

hxcmilkshake · 07-20-2022, 07:34 PM

Kyke Tucker hits .200 in that loaded Nationals lineup.

Then again who cares about BA

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Silent George · 07-20-2022, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by hxcmilkshake

Kyke Tucker hits .200 in that loaded Nationals lineup.

Then again who cares about BA

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1) huh?
2) the Lake Apopka Wildlife trail is one of the coolest things You can possibly do.

Dodgerfan74 · 07-20-2022, 08:19 PM

There's no way Soto signs an extension with Boras as his agent. I'm a Dodgers fan. I would rather resign Trea Turner to a long contract. Mookie, Trea, and Freeman as the top of the order is pretty nice.

hxcmilkshake · 07-20-2022, 08:31 PM

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1) huh?

2) the Lake Apopka Wildlife trail is one of the coolest things You can possibly do.

Yeah. On a boat you see all kinds of crazy stuff that doesn't seem should be there...elk, bear, cow

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base set · 07-20-2022, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by LVDan

god I can't wait for games to start again tomorrow

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Originally Posted by Silent George

It's the absolute worst day of the year. Worse than the offseason.

Exactly.

There are some marquee games tomorrow. But I’m more excited to follow my totally non-marquee team. The #30 offense vs. the #29 offense, depending on the category. Either the first Walk-Error-Balk run scored will win, or it will be a football score with the final innings pitched by utility infielders. Plus it’s a doubleheader of such “action.” Can’t wait.

P.S. Yeah I would really like to stand around a keg watching Juan Soto smash windshields in the parking lot out beyond the other softball field, hellz yeah!

SupermanBrandon · 07-20-2022, 09:25 PM

The Nats are in a lose lose situation. They aren’t resigning him. And they won’t/can’t get anywhere equal value. Plus with each passing day, Soto because less and less valuable. The Nats just need to get the best package they can ASAP, and move on.

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SearchPatrol · 07-20-2022, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

The Nats are in a lose lose situation. They aren’t resigning him. And they won’t/can’t get anywhere equal value. Plus with each passing day, Soto because less and less valuable. The Nats just need to get the best package they can ASAP, and move on.

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It all depends on what you mean by equal value.

If you mean in the Fantasy Baseball way - no. Is it possible, Yes. But 99% chance No.

Now if they get 5 average to above average players. With team control for 7 years. With suppressed contracts for the first 4 years. And used that money save from Soto's contract on a Free Agents. then YES.
Now it's the GM's job to find the Next
Trea Turner- From the Padres
Tatis Jr - From the White Sox

Is it Anthony Volpe? Francisco Álvarez? Brett Baty?

Zauron · 07-20-2022, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Stech36

Man, a lot of you don’t understand how valuable Kyle Tucker is. And especially don’t understand how valuable that extra year of control is.

It wouldn’t be a 1:1 trade, but it wouldn’t take all that much more. It also probably wouldn’t make much sense for the Astros or Nationals to pull the trigger for that very reason.

It's the people suggesting the Astros wouldn't need to or willing to give up Tucker for Soto. To me, Soto is a perennial MVP candidate and Tucker is at best an All Star backup. Big difference to me.

yanksfan1 · 07-20-2022, 10:24 PM

If both the Nats insist on attaching Corbin and Soto won't sign an extension, I don't see how you can justify making the trade unless you think you can fix Corbin. Soto is making $17.1M as an Arb-2 Super Two player, so let's be conservative and say his Arb-3 and Arb-4 salaries are even just $22M and $28M, probably could be higher too. Corbin is $24.4M in 2023 and a whopping $35.4M in 2024. If you view Corbin as dead $, you are essentially acquiring Soto at $46M and $63M the next two years under those expectations while also giving up significant prospect capital. Yes, he is maybe the most valuable asset you could acquire, but could you not replicate that production across your roster for less $ and fill multiple needs?

base set · 07-20-2022, 10:36 PM

Well there is the option of Washington dumping Corbin while still paying some of that salary. Has always seemed to me like essentially purchasing the prospects or PTBNLs coming back.

Silent George · 07-20-2022, 10:41 PM

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Yeah. On a boat you see all kinds of crazy stuff that doesn't seem should be there...elk, bear, cow

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Saw a bear there a few months ago. Didn’t think you could travel it by boat?

07-20-2022, 02:44 PM	#351
LVDan Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 17,573	god I can't wait for games to start again tomorrow __________________ So we cheated and we lied and we tested. And we never failed to fail; it was the easiest thing to do.

07-20-2022, 08:19 PM	#367
Dodgerfan74 Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 3,375	There's no way Soto signs an extension with Boras as his agent. I'm a Dodgers fan. I would rather resign Trea Turner to a long contract. Mookie, Trea, and Freeman as the top of the order is pretty nice. __________________ All I Know is I'm not Home Yet This is not Where I belong

07-20-2022, 05:46 PM	#363
Silent George Member Join Date: Jun 2021 Posts: 3,147	Not sure how someone could downplay how good Tucker is in RF. His worst metrics rate him above average. His best rate him as nearly the best RF in the game.

07-20-2022, 06:01 PM	#364
Stech36 Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Westminster, MD Posts: 9,548 Stech36	Man, a lot of you don’t understand how valuable Kyle Tucker is. And especially don’t understand how valuable that extra year of control is. It wouldn’t be a 1:1 trade, but it wouldn’t take all that much more. It also probably wouldn’t make much sense for the Astros or Nationals to pull the trigger for that very reason.

07-20-2022, 07:34 PM	#365
hxcmilkshake Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Apopka FL Posts: 11,501 hxcmilkshake	Kyke Tucker hits .200 in that loaded Nationals lineup. Then again who cares about BA Sent from my SM-G981U using Tapatalk

07-20-2022, 09:25 PM	#370
SupermanBrandon Banned Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: TN Posts: 15,843	The Nats are in a lose lose situation. They aren’t resigning him. And they won’t/can’t get anywhere equal value. Plus with each passing day, Soto because less and less valuable. The Nats just need to get the best package they can ASAP, and move on. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

07-20-2022, 10:24 PM	#373
yanksfan1 Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,588	If both the Nats insist on attaching Corbin and Soto won't sign an extension, I don't see how you can justify making the trade unless you think you can fix Corbin. Soto is making $17.1M as an Arb-2 Super Two player, so let's be conservative and say his Arb-3 and Arb-4 salaries are even just $22M and $28M, probably could be higher too. Corbin is $24.4M in 2023 and a whopping $35.4M in 2024. If you view Corbin as dead $, you are essentially acquiring Soto at $46M and $63M the next two years under those expectations while also giving up significant prospect capital. Yes, he is maybe the most valuable asset you could acquire, but could you not replicate that production across your roster for less $ and fill multiple needs?

07-20-2022, 10:36 PM	#374
base set Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: NW Michigan Posts: 9,497	Well there is the option of Washington dumping Corbin while still paying some of that salary. Has always seemed to me like essentially purchasing the prospects or PTBNLs coming back.