The Barry Bonds Collectors Thread

[PuddleMonkey]

I'll take it!

[NYBBFAN]

Originally Posted by ctau00

It's amazing how much things have changed over the past decade. One of my first purchases here was an almost complete set (minus Griffey Jr. & Frank Thomas) for just over twice the price of Bonds alone.

Seller was offering the complete set but tested the waters and sold the two on ebay, then helped me find their replacements at around $100 each. Thomas was the gold version #50 and not quite the exact match but it's not too noticeable when displayed with all the others.

http://i.imgur.com/ZBWxkg9.jpg

I wish I was into this set back in 2016. Nice display!

[ThoseBackPages]

Heck Yea!

things really were great a decade ago. i paid 150 for this back then

[netmasters]

There is a monster Bonds ending tonight. I can't wait to see where this one ends.

1987 O-PEE-CHEE OPC #320 Barry Bonds RC Rookie PSA 10 MBA BLACK LABEL POP 1

[BondsCollector]

Originally Posted by netmasters

There is a monster Bonds ending tonight. I can't wait to see where this one ends.

1987 O-PEE-CHEE OPC #320 Barry Bonds RC Rookie PSA 10 MBA BLACK LABEL POP 1

15k was a steal for black label imo

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by BondsCollector

15k was a steal for black label imo

great pickup!

[bbteamw]

[base set]

We were talking about Bonds final (during career) card at the LCS the other day - that would be his All Star or Highlights card in 2007 Topps Updates & Highlights. His final game was in September 2007. Subsequently of course he barely appears on any cards, and he does not have a true ‘sunset’ card.

But there are the scattering of mid-10s Panini cards. Do any of those have full career stats printed, i.e. not just a single ‘career’ line?

[awz50]

Originally Posted by bbteamw

Such a sweet card

[Jeter1020]

As a newer collector I wanted to ask the community. Does the steroids/probability that he may never go into the HOF affect his cards/collectibility?


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[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by Jeter1020

As a newer collector I wanted to ask the community. Does the steroids/probability that he may never go into the HOF affect his cards/collectibility?


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Based off what we observe on the market today…I’d say no doesn’t affect it, or at least not much at all.

No one expects him to get into the HOF, yet he is easily one of the very top valued 90s players. He’s in a trio with Griffey and Jeter up at the top imo. Partly because there’s so many Bonds collectors and super collectors out there.

Pete Rose isnt in the HOF and his 63 Topps card does just fine.

[Jeter1020]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Based off what we observe on the market today…I’d say no doesn’t affect it, or at least not much at all.

No one expects him to get into the HOF, yet he is easily one of the very top valued 90s players. He’s in a trio with Griffey and Jeter up at the top imo. Partly because there’s so many Bonds collectors and super collectors out there.

Pete Rose isnt in the HOF and his 63 Topps card does just fine.

I didn’t realize he was that collected. I’m that same sentiment, if one of the top guys from today got caught with steroids would that affect their card values?


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[OhioLawyerF5]

I'd argue the steroids affects his collectability. He is one of the most collected players of the 90s, for sure. He is collected like a superstar. But I don't feel he is valued based solely on his baseball accomplishments. His numbers make him the single best player in history. His prices are great, but not single best player in history great. So I think there is definitely some effect.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by Jeter1020

I didn’t realize he was that collected. I’m that same sentiment, if one of the top guys from today got caught with steroids would that affect their card values?


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That’s an interesting comparison. It’s possible a modern player’s values could take a little bigger hit. Like in a hypothetical if it suddenly came out with Trout…idk, what would happen then, cards probably take a big dip. I don’t collect ultra modern so maybe someone else can chime in what the effect on Tatis was.

I will agree with the above, it’s probable with no steroids in the picture Bonds values would be even higher, so I will adjust my previous response (however his numbers would probably be a little less superhuman, so that could be a wash). But the point I was trying to make is even with it, Bonds’ values are cemented as high, one of the top 90s players. It partly is the time period..many peoples fav’s from that era did it. Bonds has a bit of a cult following collector base…his values are way up. In collecting my 1997 Finest master set, the Bonds silver embossed refractor cost more than the Jeter. The Bonds Gold ref cost about the same as Griffey and a lot more than the Jeter gold ref ($650 compared to $300 for Jeter).

90s is a curious era for rare insert values. *If* players are fan favorites, and have bunch of collectors, the prices will be higher than what you think they should be. Take Jose Canseco or Bonds, or to a lesser extent McGwire. A few prominent supercollectors can even effectively help set a market for a player (see: Canseco. Another example from outside baseball in Marvel: Silver Surfer). Outside of steroids you have non-HOF’s like Nomo who also go for much more than you’d expect. Of course some players do seem to be affected more…Id argue Clemens values took a massive hit, and players like Palmeiro etc.

The answer to Bonds is while prices may have been somewhat affected, they are still high due to so many collectors of him, and because his record stats, as asterisked as they are, and ridiculous on field performance.

[Jeter1020]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

That’s an interesting comparison. It’s possible a modern player’s values could take a little bigger hit. Like in a hypothetical if it suddenly came out with Trout…idk, what would happen then, cards probably take a big dip. I don’t collect ultra modern so maybe someone else can chime in what the effect on Tatis was.

I will agree with the above, it’s probable with no steroids in the picture Bonds values would be even higher, so I will adjust my previous response. But the point I was trying to make is even with it, Bonds’ values are cemented as high, one of the top 90s players. It partly is the time period..many peoples fav’s from that era did it. Bonds has a bit of a cult following collector base…his values are way up. In collecting my 1997 Finest master set, the Bonds silver embossed refractor cost more than the Jeter. The Bonds Gold ref cost a lot more than the Jeter gold ref ($650 compared to $300 for Jeter).

90s is a curious era for rare insert values. *If* players are fan favorites, and have bunch of collectors, the prices will be higher than what you think they should be. Take Jose Canseco or Bonds, or to a lesser extent McGwire. Outside of steroids you have non-HOF’s like Nomo who also go for much more than you’d expect. Of course some players do seem to be affected more…Id argue Clemens values took a massive hit, and players like Palmeiro etc.

The answer to Bonds is while prices may have been somewhat affected, they are still high due to so many collectors of him, and because his record stats, as asterisked as they are, and ridiculous on field performance.

I want to start collecting Bonds because like you said next to Jeter and Griffey he was a huge star in the 90s. What are considered to be Bonds best cards?


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[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by Jeter1020

I want to start collecting Bonds because like you said next to Jeter and Griffey he was a huge star in the 90s. What are considered to be Bonds best cards?


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Yea he’s right up there with Jeter and Griffey for value. I’m not a Bonds expert but you could get a good idea just from browsing this thread for pics. There are also YouTube videos that have countdowns “Top 10 Bonds 90s inserts” etc.

Some of the obvious greats are 97 Finest gold embossed refractor, 96 Certified mirrors like mirror gold, 93 Finest refractor, low number Flair Showcase, Donruss red crusade, Ex-Century, and of course any playing-era auto cards.

[Jeter1020]

Does Bonds not sign anymore? Not a lot of his autos for sale and the ones that I see are expensive.


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[fabiani12333]

Unlike Griffey and Jeter -- who are more popular than Bonds -- Bonds has had a limited amount of trading cards produced since his last season in 2007. Topps produced autograph cards of his during 2016-2017, but that was it for fully-licensed trading cards post-playing career. Panini also produced "pajama" partially-licensed autograph cards during 2015-2017.

So if you want to collect nice modern-style cards of Bonds, you have to turn to cards released during his playing days. And even those were more limited due to him leaving the MLBPA group licensing program in 2003 and signing an exclusive with Topps.

The Hall of Fame only really benefits players who aren't inner-circle caliber players. It gives their careers validation. Bonds doesn't need his career to be validated -- he was the best player of his generation, before and during the steroid era.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by Jeter1020

Does Bonds not sign anymore? Not a lot of his autos for sale and the ones that I see are expensive.


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He doesn't. He signed for Topps for a brief period of time while he was hitting coach for the Marlins during 2016 and 2017. He only signed a handful of cards during the 90s, but did sign a lot during the early 2000s. His autograph cards pre-2005 had a simplified version of his signature. His full signature was only on cards during 2005-2006 and 2015-2017.

[fabiani12333]

The good thing about Bonds trading cards is his career coincided with the 90s and mid-2000s. A lot of the best and most iconic card designs occurred during that time period. So, if you're a collector or investor of Bonds cards, you have a nice selection of cards to choose from.

[NYBBFAN]

I overpaid for this for sure, but as a set collector I have a license to be a little dumb. If any of you have or see a Vladimir Guerrero, I'm a buyer. Raw is preferred, but as you can see I am not opposed to a graded copy.

[PuddleMonkey]

Heritage Chrome? Is that a thing still today? For whatever reason it doesn't ring a bell.

[NYBBFAN]

Originally Posted by PuddleMonkey

Heritage Chrome? Is that a thing still today? For whatever reason it doesn't ring a bell.

Been a thing since 2001. Refractors since 2003, black refractors since 2004.

[fabiani12333]

New pick-up -- 1998 Upper Deck Retro Quantum Leap /50:



Sorry if I outbid you, but I had to have this card -- I love the look. It has both retro and futuristic elements to it -- retrofuturism. You don't see cards like this nowadays.

[here2havefun]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

New pick-up -- 1998 Upper Deck Retro Quantum Leap /50

Big card! congrats