Alleged Card Trimmer and Former PSA Employee Mike Souza Exposed— eBay ID= 9999rbush - Page 15

MoreToppsPlease · 06-07-2020, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by pspa123

My expectations, at this point, are similarly low that the people who have made a mockery of this hobby are going to face any real punishment. I will be delighted if I am proven wrong.

In any case, we should rest assured that there will always be fraud in grading, whether it be perpetrated by card doctors or by the grading companies themselves.

If anything, one can only expect there to be an increase in the number of new card doctors moving forward, especially if old card doctors aren’t punished appropriately.

It’s reasonable to expect modern cards will be particularly vulnerable and targeted, partially because vintage is so hacked up already.

signed79 · 06-07-2020, 05:19 PM

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, most people don't care about the fraud. I do, and it made me drastically change how I collect (now back to the childhood days) and I've been having the most fun I've had in decades - with more money in my pocket. So, I'm very appreciative of BODA. Thank you!

But, after talking with hundreds of fellow collectors, hardly anyone cares. It's a combination of saving their investments, unwillingness to accept and take a loss, collecting grades vs cards, mental unstableness, amongst other things. I have one friend liquidating a major collection over the scandal, but that's about all I've seen.

I suspect these threads will bring more fraudsters into the hobby looking to make a quick buck. Maybe it's good because it gives these scumbags a little competition amongst themselves.

It's time, actually long overdue, for a grading company to focus solely on quality vs quantity of graded cards. As money hungry PSA is, I'm actually surprised they don't offer a service for high end cards that includes measurements, written statement of condition (graders notes like CGC comics), and a better holder that has UV protection. Something reserved for the ultra high-end cards as a grading fee 2-3x their current going rate.

Donkaylove · 06-07-2020, 05:32 PM

everybody is trying to pass the buck, its always buyer beware with upper end and fad modern

n1nesports · 06-07-2020, 07:01 PM

What a trashy person.
Wonder how many trimmed cards everyone owns without knowing it.

Pink Pussycat · 06-08-2020, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by n1nesports

What a trashy person.
Wonder how many trimmed cards everyone owns without knowing it.

We will never truly know. But it's a lot...

The roadblocks that BODA has to overcome (simply to research the cards) are overwhelming. The thousands of cards already proven as altered represent just a tiny percentage of the total.

MoreToppsPlease · 06-08-2020, 09:26 AM

It’s always important for people to understand - and remember - the scope of the issue.

Whether or not they choose to act upon the understanding is up to them.

People should never be naive about what they’re getting into.

Bruins1993 · 06-09-2020, 02:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by n1nesports

What a trashy person.
Wonder how many trimmed cards everyone owns without knowing it.

Most collectors will make tons and tons of excuses for PSA that enables fraud of slabbed altered cards with numerical grades to occur.

You could ask PSA but they might ban you, which most people are scared of, and then you can't fund their fraud enabling empire anymore. Thats why most people just keep their mouths shut... right Joe?

Pink Pussycat · 06-10-2020, 02:22 PM

That's right... and few people can top Joe and Steve when it comes to remaining silent

auburn35 · 03-01-2021, 11:08 AM

Came across this PSA 10, that was recently sold via Collectable and it had me thinking about this thread and the research into these Tiger Woods SI cards.

Card appears reperforated based on the examples shown in the thread and also the PSA certification closely mirrors with a known card trimmer of these same cards, syzygy3.14
https://forums.collectors.com/discus...omment_3055323

50046743 - Another PSA 10 Tiger SI for Kids
50046744 - This card
50046745 - Certification deactivated

pip · 03-10-2021, 02:43 PM

I'm really surprised this didn't get more responses. Here's direct evidence that Evan has put a TRIMMED (re-perforated) Tiger Woods SI rookie in his company's portfolio. That's potential fraud and the SEC should be aware of it.

For those who don't have time to read through this entire thread:

Quite a few of the high-grade (9.5s and 10s) examples of the 1991 SIFK Tiger Woods cards have been re-cut with a machine that adds perforated edges, similar to the original. The problem is that all of the original cards have 30 teeth across the top and (usually) corner chads. This re-cut card has 28 teeth across the top and zero corner chads. It's 100% altered.

You usually see molested cards like this in Beckett holders but I guess PSA has slabbed them too.

pip · 03-10-2021, 02:46 PM

Note the second-to-last card listed in Evan's collection. I wonder if it's the same one offered by collectable:

https://www.beckett.com/news/philade...ve-collection/

auburn35 · 03-10-2021, 05:54 PM

The Tiger Woods SI was sold by someone identified as Non-affiliate seller (1), who has submitted a few other offerings.

https://sec.report/Document/00011046...rtiiandiii.htm

pip · 03-10-2021, 07:49 PM

Looks like the altered card sold by Collectable came from ryanjweber on ebay and was purchased by v***e on 7/18/20:

Here's another trimmed/altered PSA 10 with only 28 teeth across the top. The factory perforated ones all have at least 30 teeth:

And the ebay seller: https://www.ebay.com/sch/miked092673...?_trksid=p3692

The seller, miked092673, also sold another PSA 10 recently (serial #01631117) that appears to be legitimate (NOT the card pictured above)

Other trimmed/recut 1991 SI for Kids Tiger Woods cards recently sold/ended on ebay:

BGS 10 - $125k
https://www.ebay.com/itm/184538951522

BGS 10 - $40k
https://www.ebay.com/itm/254862243913

BGS 9.5 - $34.9k
https://ebay.com/itm/284195877173

BGS 9.5 - $24k (PWCC Vault)
https://ebay.com/itm/224354796737

BGS 9.5 - $15.1k (PWCC)
https://ebay.com/itm/353326850935

GAI 9.5 - $15k (mandlcards)
https://ebay.com/itm/363297714178

BGS 9.5 - $9.99k
https://ebay.com/itm/174596538236

BGS 9.5 - $7k (PWCC)
https://ebay.com/itm/402613616694

Other trimmed/recut 1991 SI for Kids Tiger Woods cards currently for sale on ebay:

BGS 10 - $135k
https://ebay.com/itm/254878246339

BGS 9.5 - $22.99k
https://ebay.com/itm/324508641420

BGS 9 - $9.99k
https://ebay.com/itm/284195914936

Finally, here's an unusual PSA 10 sold by Memory Lane on 12/10/10.

Notice the spacing and extremely large number of teeth across the bottom of the card. If they didn't end near the right corner, there would be 34 or 35 of them. Pretty sure that's a new record. A dubious one.

MoreToppsPlease · 03-10-2021, 08:08 PM

The fact that all the altered Tigers are NOT all over the media given their “value” can make one easily believe that all the media about expensive cards is controlled by hobby players.

This Tiger story is much more interesting - and much more telling about the hobby - than all the recent record-breaking slab sales.

pip · 03-10-2021, 08:38 PM

I'm also counting at least 48 teeth on the right side of the PSA 10 Memory Lane Tiger Woods. It's pretty obvious it was re-perfed on the right and bottom edges (the counts are way off and they don't match the opposing side). This may be one of the poorest attempts at this particular type of fraud.

pspa123 · 03-10-2021, 08:42 PM

The links are not working for me, get error messages?

pip · 03-10-2021, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pspa123

The links are not working for me, get error messages?

Sorry, I'll redo them.

pspa123 · 03-10-2021, 08:49 PM

I assume this one (mine) is real and you can see how it has a very different look, presumably being actually separated from the magazine sheet. (Sorry can't seem to post a pic inline.)

pip · 03-10-2021, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pspa123

I assume this one (mine) is real and you can see how it has a very different look, presumably being actually separated from the magazine sheet. (Sorry can't seem to post a pic inline.)

Yes, yours is good (has the right number of teeth).

Links are fixed.

pip · 03-10-2021, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by superdan49

Unless someone can find another sale of one of these in a lesser-known auction house or buried in a message board somewhere, this is the complete public sales data for BGS 10 Pristine and Black Label copies of this card. Of the 14 total graded, we've uncovered 8 of them. Of those 8, a full 7 have been determined to be re-perforated and thus altered. This could be a huge scandal especially if Tiger wins another major championship and people try to sell these.

Also, please note that none of the four BGS 10 cards graded in 2005 have surfaced. I do not know the reason for this, but it seems odd to me.

Here's one more:

https://ebay.com/itm/254878246339

Serial #0004022955. Only 28 teeth across the top/bottom and either 39 or 40 along each side. Likely Trimmed/reperfed.

superdan49 · 03-10-2021, 09:21 PM

This image is key for midwits who do not trust the math: we witness the kid and his father in 2001 remove this card from a SI Kids magazine and submit it to PSA. The top border has 30 teeth.

I believe most Gem Mint and many Mint examples of this card are re-perfed.

NYRE2PECT · 03-10-2021, 09:34 PM

Somebody should tag Darren Rovell, might be one way to draw attention.

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Thunderdunk · 03-10-2021, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by superdan49

I believe most Gem Mint and many Mint examples of this card are re-perfed.

I absolutely agree with this. This is truly a story of if it looks too good then it probably is re-prefed. I have a PSA 9 of this card. I know it is good. But there are a TON of Reperforated ones out there. Be careful. Do your homework!

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYRE2PECT

Somebody should tag Darren Rovell, might be one way to draw attention.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Rovell is only interested in pumping his 2 PSA 8 as investments since he did the original ESPN story on the 125K sale and has a history with this card. I had dialogue with him about these being reperforated and he was clueless about it and frankly didnt care. He more wanted to argue that this card was a Tigers rookie when pack pulled is the bench mark in the industry. I told him it was a gimmick card. Which I think it is, even though I own one. Link to that discussion : https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1448641

pip · 03-10-2021, 09:36 PM

I once had a large stack of the SIFK magazines with all of the pages intact and I can tell you that it would be extremely unusual to find a Tiger Woods without even a small amount of yellow showing on one of the edges. Virtually all of these super-clean 9.5s and 10s are bogus, recut cards.

Fratboy · 03-10-2021, 09:39 PM

bust there a*s BODA!

drag them out of the shadows so everyone can see them, and their nefarious actions in our Hobby

06-08-2020, 09:26 AM	#356
MoreToppsPlease Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 8,676	It’s always important for people to understand - and remember - the scope of the issue. Whether or not they choose to act upon the understanding is up to them. People should never be naive about what they’re getting into. __________________ IRS Tax Tip 2022-57 A hobby is any activity that a person pursues because they enjoy it and with no intention of making a profit. People operate a business with the intention of making a profit.

03-01-2021, 11:08 AM	#359
auburn35 Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 4,396	Came across this PSA 10, that was recently sold via Collectable and it had me thinking about this thread and the research into these Tiger Woods SI cards. Card appears reperforated based on the examples shown in the thread and also the PSA certification closely mirrors with a known card trimmer of these same cards, syzygy3.14 https://forums.collectors.com/discus...omment_3055323 50046743 - Another PSA 10 Tiger SI for Kids 50046744 - This card 50046745 - Certification deactivated __________________ Ashley Lelie Rookie Collector, always looking for more.

03-10-2021, 02:43 PM	#360
pip Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: French underground Posts: 4,009	I'm really surprised this didn't get more responses. Here's direct evidence that Evan has put a TRIMMED (re-perforated) Tiger Woods SI rookie in his company's portfolio. That's potential fraud and the SEC should be aware of it. For those who don't have time to read through this entire thread: Quite a few of the high-grade (9.5s and 10s) examples of the 1991 SIFK Tiger Woods cards have been re-cut with a machine that adds perforated edges, similar to the original. The problem is that all of the original cards have 30 teeth across the top and (usually) corner chads. This re-cut card has 28 teeth across the top and zero corner chads. It's 100% altered. You usually see molested cards like this in Beckett holders but I guess PSA has slabbed them too. Last edited by pip; 03-10-2021 at 06:15 PM.

03-10-2021, 05:54 PM	#362
auburn35 Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 4,396	The Tiger Woods SI was sold by someone identified as Non-affiliate seller (1), who has submitted a few other offerings. https://sec.report/Document/00011046...rtiiandiii.htm __________________ Ashley Lelie Rookie Collector, always looking for more.

03-10-2021, 08:08 PM	#364
MoreToppsPlease Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 8,676	Alleged Card Trimmer and Former PSA Employee Mike Souza Exposed— eBay ID= 9999rbush The fact that all the altered Tigers are NOT all over the media given their “value” can make one easily believe that all the media about expensive cards is controlled by hobby players. This Tiger story is much more interesting - and much more telling about the hobby - than all the recent record-breaking slab sales. __________________ IRS Tax Tip 2022-57 A hobby is any activity that a person pursues because they enjoy it and with no intention of making a profit. People operate a business with the intention of making a profit.

06-07-2020, 05:19 PM	#352
signed79 Member Join Date: May 2019 Location: USA Posts: 513	I've said it before, and I'll say it again, most people don't care about the fraud. I do, and it made me drastically change how I collect (now back to the childhood days) and I've been having the most fun I've had in decades - with more money in my pocket. So, I'm very appreciative of BODA. Thank you! But, after talking with hundreds of fellow collectors, hardly anyone cares. It's a combination of saving their investments, unwillingness to accept and take a loss, collecting grades vs cards, mental unstableness, amongst other things. I have one friend liquidating a major collection over the scandal, but that's about all I've seen. I suspect these threads will bring more fraudsters into the hobby looking to make a quick buck. Maybe it's good because it gives these scumbags a little competition amongst themselves. It's time, actually long overdue, for a grading company to focus solely on quality vs quantity of graded cards. As money hungry PSA is, I'm actually surprised they don't offer a service for high end cards that includes measurements, written statement of condition (graders notes like CGC comics), and a better holder that has UV protection. Something reserved for the ultra high-end cards as a grading fee 2-3x their current going rate.

06-07-2020, 05:32 PM	#353
Donkaylove Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: PNW Posts: 3,204	everybody is trying to pass the buck, its always buyer beware with upper end and fad modern

06-07-2020, 07:01 PM	#354
n1nesports Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Toronto Posts: 3,107	What a trashy person. Wonder how many trimmed cards everyone owns without knowing it.

06-10-2020, 02:22 PM	#358
Pink Pussycat Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 595	That's right... and few people can top Joe and Steve when it comes to remaining silent

03-10-2021, 02:46 PM	#361
pip Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: French underground Posts: 4,009	Note the second-to-last card listed in Evan's collection. I wonder if it's the same one offered by collectable: https://www.beckett.com/news/philade...ve-collection/

03-10-2021, 08:38 PM	#365
pip Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: French underground Posts: 4,009	I'm also counting at least 48 teeth on the right side of the PSA 10 Memory Lane Tiger Woods. It's pretty obvious it was re-perfed on the right and bottom edges (the counts are way off and they don't match the opposing side). This may be one of the poorest attempts at this particular type of fraud. Last edited by pip; 03-10-2021 at 09:15 PM.

03-10-2021, 08:42 PM	#366
pspa123 Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 3,754	The links are not working for me, get error messages? __________________ "We will control the horizontal. We will control the vertical. We can roll the image, make it flutter. We can change the focus to a soft blur, or sharpen it to crystal clarity." Opening narration, The Outer Limits.

03-10-2021, 09:21 PM	#371
superdan49 BODA Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 4,272	This image is key for midwits who do not trust the math: we witness the kid and his father in 2001 remove this card from a SI Kids magazine and submit it to PSA. The top border has 30 teeth. I believe most Gem Mint and many Mint examples of this card are re-perfed. __________________ Cardboard Detective Emeritus superdan49@protonmail.com — Anonymous Tip-line

03-10-2021, 09:34 PM	#372
NYRE2PECT Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: San Antonio Posts: 8,158	Somebody should tag Darren Rovell, might be one way to draw attention. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Primarily retired from collecting, but doing a Greatest Sho-man binder thing. I do love California Angels baseball.

03-10-2021, 09:36 PM	#374
pip Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: French underground Posts: 4,009	I once had a large stack of the SIFK magazines with all of the pages intact and I can tell you that it would be extremely unusual to find a Tiger Woods without even a small amount of yellow showing on one of the edges. Virtually all of these super-clean 9.5s and 10s are bogus, recut cards.

03-10-2021, 09:39 PM	#375
Fratboy Banned Join Date: Jan 2020 Posts: 2,536	bust there a*s BODA! drag them out of the shadows so everyone can see them, and their nefarious actions in our Hobby