LeBron Exquisite /99 - altered & damaged

[starvela]

[IMG][/URL][/IMG]


[IMG][/URL][/IMG]

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by discostu

Trim Burton presents "The Nightmare Before Trims-much"

180pt? Helmet relics?

No problem.

Cuts through Lebron Exquisites like butter.

But wait. There's more.

Order now and we'll throw in a second Grade Blade(c) absolutely free. You just pay shipping and handling. [/billymays]

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by starvela

[IMG][/URL][/IMG]


[IMG][/URL][/IMG]

Black chipping disappeared quicker than Exitmusic during a 4 game losing skid.

Nice detective work.

[ninjacookies]

And so the plot thickens.


I KNEW something was fishy about that 9.5 sale someone posted about a few years ago.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=861794

Originally Posted by rookies

Sohrob bought the /23 9.5 for much less then sold 90k Hahaha very much overpaid but probably not another 9.5 /23 will ever appear. Id rather have exquisite I think he bought lebrons best card.

edit: I had to re-read that. So Steve also purchased a 9.5 gold /23? Or did he purchase it raw and then have it graded 9.5?

Anyone confirm?

[starvela]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Black chipping disappeared quicker than Exitmusic during a 4 game losing skid.

Nice detective work.

Cardsdownunder provided this in his 1st post....

[AbraCalabro]

Just to avoid confusion, the Steve you're all referring to uses the online handle backtoreality, is that correct? Edit: or is it Bill?


Are people just using names from that fake movie script that got posted in here?

[6celtics33]

Originally Posted by AbraCalabro

Just to avoid confusion, the Steve you're all referring to uses the online handle backtoreality, is that correct? Edit: or is it Bill?


Are people just using names from that fake movie script that got posed in here?

I think Steve was the movie script
Bill is backtoreality

[AbraCalabro]

Originally Posted by 6celtics33

I think Steve was the movie script
Bill is backtoreality

Ok, just wanted to be sure. I think that movie script with imaginary characters is going to cause unnecessary confusion.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by AbraCalabro

Just to avoid confusion, the Steve you're all referring to uses the online handle backtoreality, is that correct? Edit: or is it Bill?


Are people just using names from that fake movie script that got posted in here?

Originally Posted by 6celtics33

I think Steve was the movie script
Bill is backtoreality

Originally Posted by AbraCalabro

Ok, just wanted to be sure. I think that movie script with imaginary characters is going to cause unnecessary confusion.

The names were changed to protect the guilty...I mean innocent.

[Skybox]

the only thing I've learned from this thread is not to drop $100K on a card ... so note to self

[duron]

I'm just here to offer financial backing for discostu's film with my hundreds of ten cent cards.

Check your PM's.

[bballcards4days]

Originally Posted by 6celtics33

The beauty in buying high end graded is the not knowing

I’ve been told that most to all dealers trim

If they are that arrogant to trim serial numbered cards in this digital age you can’t even fathom what else they’ve done

We all own trimmed cards in slabs is my guess

It’s just when it comes out with proof there is no more ignorance and in this hobby if you want to enjoy it ignorance is bliss

I’ve fought myself on quit or quit thinking about it many times. I love it so much I can’t stop.

Sadly this is a very true statement.....


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[imbluestreak23]

This thread is sickening. So many scum human beings in this hobby and on this planet.

For those of you guilty of these atrocities and reading, I hope you have a moderately horrible day tomorrow.

[Wings]

Im interested in buying the edge of the Lebron Exquisite that got caught off. PM me. Paying PayPal.

[bigunitcards]

Originally Posted by Wings

Im interested in buying the edge of the Lebron Exquisite that got caught off. PM me. Paying PayPal.

Also looking to buy any cracked BGS cases of inferior graded cards and matching serial numbered flat head screwdrivers

[discostu]

One thing is certain, Eric's silence is deafening everywhere except for google.

This thread is an ugly reminder for him.

[chuckerrrr]

We all gone quiet like Eric. Cmon guys lets not let this slide. BuyNiceTrimmedCards.com we can contact him there.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[splum]

Yeah, I'm no businessman but when given the opportunity to clear my name and my businesses name I'd probably feel compelled to take it and the only thing that would keep me silent (and this is what's most troubling from my perspective) is if I knew that someone else could and would prove that whatever I was going to say would be untrue.

[arashY]

Originally Posted by SteveO21

This is what I've been thinking since about 2 pages ago. I think, based on other info we've gotten in this thread, that it's entirely possible BNC/sohrob told rookies that "I/we can almost guarantee we can get this card to grade a 9 and when it does we'll give you some extra $", then they submit it "as-is" with the damage rookies was aware of and it only grades the 8 and BNC/sohrob basically say "aww shucks! Really thought it would grade higher. Sorry, no extra money for you." So that deal is now finalized, rookies doesn't receive his bonus $ and is none the wiser to the scam that is about to happen, and BNC/sohrob can get to trimming to get the card up to a BGS 9 like they knew they could all along.

I was thinking this as well. Either that theory or Rookies graded it himself as a 7.5/8 then went to the ‘card doctor’ Sohrob and/or Eric to sell his card under the condition he would get the 3k or 10k kickback after the scum magic was done. It graded higher and he got burned.

Rookies tried to out him with the old post but after getting some heat put on him tried to throw it under the rug so he didn’t hurt his Sohrob connection. If you check Sohrobs post history it’s 75% high end exquisite cards.

Regardless of how it played out, I think all 3 were well aware of what was going to happen to the card after the transaction took place.


These are just my personal thoughts so I could be entirely wrong though.

[theLUCKYshow]

Let me lay out the connected dots so far in my head and see where you guys stand. Many arrows point to Sohrob as being the trimmer. He was the middle-man in the oddly constructed payout plan between rookies and Eric. Makes sense it would be sent to him to be trimmed then sent off to BGS before being sent to Eric in BGS 9 form. There is no denying the card was trimmed somewhere between rookies and Eric. Sohrob is also the middleman in Verona's lost Exquisites where he submitted Exquisites for Verona. It appears his job included cracking out cards for resubmission as well as submitting raw cards. Maybe he is well known in the high-end community, I dont know maybe there are a bunch of sohrob-types but it appears he knows at least a handful of high-end guys to provide a service where he preps and sends cards off to be graded to BGS. I think we can all now speculate that "prep" included trimming. The extent to which his clients knew exactly what he was doing is a grey area but is something we should all hope to learn more about. I dont know where that information is going to come from, unfortunately. At this point, what does Eric have to gain by coming out here other than to say he's not the trimmer. I just hope that these are isolated instances but based on the overall mood from the high-end community it almost feels as if it was common knowledge.

Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk

[KhalDrogo]

Of course it’s common knowledge! These high-end guys always talk about how small the community is and how well they know each other. BNC hasn’t said anything because he has nothing to say, and doesn’t want to be present in this thread, where he’d be forced to acknowledge a six figure card of his is a fraud.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by theLUCKYshow

Let me lay out the connected dots so far in my head and see where you guys stand. Many arrows point to Sohrob as being the trimmer. He was the middle-man in the oddly constructed payout plan between rookies and Eric. Makes sense it would be sent to him to be trimmed then sent off to BGS before being sent to Eric in BGS 9 form. There is no denying the card was trimmed somewhere between rookies and Eric. Sohrob is also the middleman in Verona's lost Exquisites where he submitted Exquisites for Verona. It appears his job included cracking out cards for resubmission as well as submitting raw cards. Maybe he is well known in the high-end community, I dont know maybe there are a bunch of sohrob-types but it appears he knows at least a handful of high-end guys to provide a service where he preps and sends cards off to be graded to BGS. I think we can all now speculate that "prep" included trimming. The extent to which his clients knew exactly what he was doing is a grey area but is something we should all hope to learn more about. I dont know where that information is going to come from, unfortunately. At this point, what does Eric have to gain by coming out here other than to say he's not the trimmer. I just hope that these are isolated instances but based on the overall mood from the high-end community it almost feels as if it was common knowledge.

Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk

Curious, where did the term 'sohrob' come from?

Sounds vaguely familiar, but google search turns up nothing.

[arashY]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Curious, where did the term 'sohrob' come from?

Sounds vaguely familiar, but google search turns up nothing.

It’s a middle eastern first name

[discostu]

Eric Bitz of buynicecards.com is most definitely still involved in the hobby, and with the high-end inventory he has and the infinite memory of the internet...every card should be questioned.

As for Sohrob, I don't believe he's directly involved in the hobby any longer, however it would make sense that he's using (or used) his trimming business to fund other projects.

The fact that both of these alleged participants are accessible and not hiding in the shadows is a testament to two things. First, the hobby as a whole doesn't seen to really care, especially the grading companies. Secondly, they don't seem to care.

And as they both certsinly read this thread about trimming Lebron James Exquisite autograph patch rookie card #/99 Gold #/25 and countless other cards...the internet is an unforgiving place. With a long, long memory.

If you want to buy nice cards, you should assume you might be buying 99% of that original card.

[ReggieEvansPC]

Originally Posted by theLUCKYshow

Let me lay out the connected dots so far in my head and see where you guys stand. Many arrows point to Sohrob as being the trimmer. He was the middle-man in the oddly constructed payout plan between rookies and Eric. Makes sense it would be sent to him to be trimmed then sent off to BGS before being sent to Eric in BGS 9 form. There is no denying the card was trimmed somewhere between rookies and Eric. Sohrob is also the middleman in Verona's lost Exquisites where he submitted Exquisites for Verona. It appears his job included cracking out cards for resubmission as well as submitting raw cards. Maybe he is well known in the high-end community, I dont know maybe there are a bunch of sohrob-types but it appears he knows at least a handful of high-end guys to provide a service where he preps and sends cards off to be graded to BGS. I think we can all now speculate that "prep" included trimming. The extent to which his clients knew exactly what he was doing is a grey area but is something we should all hope to learn more about. I dont know where that information is going to come from, unfortunately. At this point, what does Eric have to gain by coming out here other than to say he's not the trimmer. I just hope that these are isolated instances but based on the overall mood from the high-end community it almost feels as if it was common knowledge.

Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk

My biggest take from this thread is that either now, or at some point, Eric has owned two Lebron Exquisites /99 that have been trimmed. If this were any other person in the Hobby, they'd be crucified immediately. Middleman or not, it's impossible to ignore Eric's involvement (voluntarily or involuntarily) in this situation.