The burlap is back! First Buzz: 2017 Topps Heritage baseball cards (will update) - Page 15

HadWayTooMuch · 02-20-2017, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Rufusyo

Only way to move them is locally. You are right on, fees immediately take any profit you could swing on eBay. You would be better off selling to blowout at $800 direct and letting them take the next $75 if they could get it. I could probably move mine to the LCS for a small profit if it is really dried up. Why would I do that though? I am due to pull a throwback or a Jeter auto.

That's my point. I'm assuming none of us bought cases strictly to flip them.

We'd sell for a couple hundred dollar guaranteed profit, but we'd rather break them for a $50-$75 profit. That's how I see it at least.

Dbacksbaseball · 02-20-2017, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by kyle1707

Talk to dist today. They sold out months ago

Says this is the most heritage they have ever sold

Says people call everyday looking for more cases

Heritage has exploded last 2-3 years

The genius behind the action and throwback color swap etc

I think that amazing sell sheet and the love for 1968 played a part

It's funny to me though as popular is this is. So many on this train have no clue
What heritage is .. my box sucked got a jersey card.

All about the sets. Not filled with sick mojo eBay 1/1 razz break nastiness

Off course there are big cards. Still funny to me

Week to go !!!

Bolded scares the S#@& outta me. These hype products are typically the ones that blow up in everyones face. Would not shock me a bit for this to be way overproduced and long(er) odds on good hits.

I must add, all speculations. As for the guys talking about cases and selling cases on eBay. If you are selling cases on eBay.....you are doing it wrong. That said I am ripping at least SOME of mine. But if I can hedge opening with selling some if these prices are real....yea I'm gunna.

ThoseBackPages · 02-20-2017, 11:33 PM

Much like Flagship, Heritage is a bread winner for Topps. no way it will be short printed.

doesnt matter if it's a "print to order" product. At the very least, retail will be around

HadWayTooMuch · 02-20-2017, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

Bolded scares the S#@& outta me. These hype products are typically the ones that blow up in everyones face. Would not shock me a bit for this to be way overproduced and long(er) odds on good hits.

I must add, all speculations. As for the guys talking about cases and selling cases on eBay. If you are selling cases on eBay.....you are doing it wrong. That said I am ripping at least SOME of mine. But if I can hedge opening with selling some if these prices are real....yea I'm gunna.

You missed the point. The point is, ebay is the only place to sell these things in most cases. After fees, it's not worth it. You specifically may have a source, but again, the point is, most people do not have a source to sell cases locally. Hell, when I had a shop, I couldn't find case buyers.

Dbacksbaseball · 02-20-2017, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by HadWayTooMuch

You missed the point. The point is, ebay is the only place to sell these things in most cases. After fees, it's not worth it. You specifically may have a source, but again, the point is, most people do not have a source to sell cases locally. Hell, when I had a shop, I couldn't find case buyers.

No I understood your point. Think you missed mine. My point is, Im a nobody in this hobby, but I know enough that If blowout is selling these cases at 875 I have attended enough shows and have made enough contacts that if I make a call and say 850 and you can pick up Tuesday night.......my extras are picked up 15 minutes after I park my truck and paid for in cash.

HadWayTooMuch · 02-21-2017, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

No I understood your point. Think you missed mine. My point is, Im a nobody in this hobby, but I know enough that If blowout is selling these cases at 875 I have attended enough shows and have made enough contacts that if I make a call and say 850 and you can pick up Tuesday night.......my extras are picked up 15 minutes after I park my truck and paid for in cash.

Which I repeat, "You may have a source" but most of us do not.

I will again say, when BO was selling Gold Label at $1100 a case, I could not find a local buyer (or even a facebook buyer) for $900. And I did try. I smelled trouble with that product and let my supplier keep it. He had plenty of people willing to pay his regular wholesale cost, but nobody wanted to pay anywhere near market value.

This doesn't mean you wouldn't have found a buyer, but again, most of us have trouble tracking down people with money, locally. So that is why some would turn to ebay to sell cases. Personally, I would not. Not worth the trouble due to the fees.

Rufusyo · 02-21-2017, 09:22 AM

What is crazy to me, is how many people just go off of the blowout price when it can be had significantly cheaper from other sources. Props to Blowout! They have become the wax trend setters. Even my LCS goes by their prices.

On the notes about the print run, I don't know if anyone is saying it is short printed. I don't think that is the case. However, it is very apparent that there are several distributers that have already sold their allotment or most of it. The demand looks to be overpowering the supply of some, not all distributors at the moment. We will have to wait and see how the dust settles at the end of next week. It doesn't matter how much retail is out there, hobby prices and the demand for hobby is going to dictate the price of Hobby. All the retail in the world won't play much, if any factor in that. If hobby dries up the price of hobby trends up people might start to turn to retail for their fix but that doesn't bring hobby case prices back down to earth.

HadWayTooMuch · 02-21-2017, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Rufusyo

What is crazy to me, is how many people just go off of the blowout price when it can be had significantly cheaper from other sources. Props to Blowout! They have become the wax trend setters. Even my LCS goes by their prices. .

I've been saying this for years. When I had my LCS, I was ALWAYS cheaper than BO on hot items. Every single time. On things like 14 Dynasty, I was $50 a box cheaper.

But BO would dump their crap boxes for cost because they could afford to which I could not do.

It always boggled my mind how I could sell wax so much cheaper than them while paying considerably more for it.

bwalter1 · 02-21-2017, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by HadWayTooMuch

I've been saying this for years. When I had my LCS, I was ALWAYS cheaper than BO on hot items. Every single time. On things like 14 Dynasty, I was $50 a box cheaper.

But BO would dump their crap boxes for cost because they could afford to which I could not do.

It always boggled my mind how I could sell wax so much cheaper than them while paying considerably more for it.

chezball · 02-21-2017, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by bwalter1

brentandbecca · 02-21-2017, 12:09 PM

I can confirm that SP will indeed still be 1:3
Collation issues likely to occur seeing since it will take over a case for a set
It would be nice if every case had 96 different SP but I have to think we will see some dupes

Also autos are 1:173
Gold ref are 1:1830
So that would mean around 3,175 hobby cases this year

Now hopefully the checklist does hit today!

bd3d86 · 02-21-2017, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by brentandbecca

I can confirm that SP will indeed still be 1:3
Collation issues likely to occur seeing since it will take over a case for a set
It would be nice if every case had 96 different SP but I have to think we will see some dupes

Also autos are 1:173
Gold ref are 1:1830
So that would mean around 3,175 hobby cases this year

Now hopefully the checklist does hit today!

So, potentially only 1 auto in a case if the odds are not in your favor?

ThoseBackPages · 02-21-2017, 12:11 PM

MONEY!

Chaysr20 · 02-21-2017, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bd3d86

So, potentially only 1 auto in a case if the odds are not in your favor?

Assuming those are base auto odds. Will need to factor in red ink autos which may push it to average 2 autos per case...hopefully

TarjetasBéisbol · 02-21-2017, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by brentandbecca

I can confirm that SP will indeed still be 1:3
Collation issues likely to occur seeing since it will take over a case for a set
It would be nice if every case had 96 different SP but I have to think we will see some dupes

Also autos are 1:173
Gold ref are 1:1830
So that would mean around 3,175 hobby cases this year

Now hopefully the checklist does hit today!

Thanks for the info Brent and keep sharing!

auctionjmm · 02-21-2017, 12:27 PM

Good. Master sets should stay pretty high now. Can't give them away at $299.99 if you need 2 cases to build one.

rutgersjpm · 02-21-2017, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Chaysr20

Assuming those are base auto odds. Will need to factor in red ink autos which may push it to average 2 autos per case...hopefully

And dual autos and triple autos and auto relics and box loader autos and cut autos. I feel like 3-4 autos in a Heritage case is what's expected and hopefully odds keep things similar.

rutgersjpm · 02-21-2017, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by brentandbecca

So that would mean around 3,175 hobby cases this year

Does anyone know off the top of the dome how that compares to recent years? This is the first time I'm doing Heritage in quantity. I'm usually a three or four box kinda guy.

Rufusyo · 02-21-2017, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by rutgersjpm

Does anyone know off the top of the dome how that compares to recent years? This is the first time I'm doing Heritage in quantity. I'm usually a three or four box kinda guy.

Same here. I have opened a single case several times, but never multiple. I believe the print run is up, but I am not sure how much. I will pull up last years thread and see if it is in there. Brent probably knows off the top of his head.

PDCCollectibles · 02-21-2017, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by rutgersjpm

Does anyone know off the top of the dome how that compares to recent years? This is the first time I'm doing Heritage in quantity. I'm usually a three or four box kinda guy.

2016 Heritage Auto Odds (I save one of every hobby pack I open, I'm a dork like that, lol)

Real One Auto---1:142
Special Edition (Red Ink)---1:589
SP's---1:3

rutgersjpm · 02-21-2017, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by PDCCollectibles

2016 Heritage Auto Odds (I save one of every hobby pack I open, I'm a dork like that, lol)

Real One Auto---1:142
Special Edition (Red Ink)---1:589
SP's---1:3

Well done sir. We need more dorks like you

chezball · 02-21-2017, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by PDCCollectibles

2016 Heritage Auto Odds (I save one of every hobby pack I open, I'm a dork like that, lol)

Real One Auto---1:142
Special Edition (Red Ink)---1:589
SP's---1:3

It's OK to be one when you have info like this.

rutgersjpm · 02-21-2017, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by brentandbecca

I can confirm that SP will indeed still be 1:3

Fingers crossed it's actualy 1:2.88

Carrbeaz · 02-21-2017, 12:55 PM

I'm not a math guy, but this can really be sketchy.

A full case is going to net 96 SPs, and we all know it won't be perfect collation so let's say we get 88 different SPs in a case.

Now here will be the tricky part... You are in no way guaranteed to get those missing SPs when opening the next case. Heck you may go through a second case and still miss SPs if you happen to get a similar print run to your first.

I am honestly thinking of foregoing a master set this year and just selling SPs as singles.

marauder03 · 02-21-2017, 12:58 PM

2015 -
Also autos are 1:258 Special Edition 390
Gold ref are 1:1760

2014
Also autos are 1:141 Special Edition 372
Gold ref are 1:1695

02-20-2017, 11:33 PM	#353
ThoseBackPages Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 89,690 ThoseBackPages	Much like Flagship, Heritage is a bread winner for Topps. no way it will be short printed. doesnt matter if it's a "print to order" product. At the very least, retail will be around __________________ Pumpers Paradise #YouCryIBuy Four things that we cannot change each others minds about: Politics, Religion, Third Party Grading, and 2021 Bowman's Best Rookie Cards

02-21-2017, 12:09 PM	#361
brentandbecca Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 5,441 brentandbecca	I can confirm that SP will indeed still be 1:3 Collation issues likely to occur seeing since it will take over a case for a set It would be nice if every case had 96 different SP but I have to think we will see some dupes Also autos are 1:173 Gold ref are 1:1830 So that would mean around 3,175 hobby cases this year Now hopefully the checklist does hit today! __________________ Brent Twitter: @brentandbecca eBay: brentandbecca

02-21-2017, 12:11 PM	#363
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02-21-2017, 12:55 PM	#374
Carrbeaz Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 8,808	I'm not a math guy, but this can really be sketchy. A full case is going to net 96 SPs, and we all know it won't be perfect collation so let's say we get 88 different SPs in a case. Now here will be the tricky part... You are in no way guaranteed to get those missing SPs when opening the next case. Heck you may go through a second case and still miss SPs if you happen to get a similar print run to your first. I am honestly thinking of foregoing a master set this year and just selling SPs as singles. __________________ If you ask me what is the least I will take, then I am going to respond with, "What is the most you are willing to pay?"

02-21-2017, 12:58 PM	#375
marauder03 Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Northern Ohio Posts: 1,389 lakeeriecards lakeeriecards	2015 - Also autos are 1:258 Special Edition 390 Gold ref are 1:1760 2014 Also autos are 1:141 Special Edition 372 Gold ref are 1:1695 __________________ Collect Cavs, Browns, Indians

02-21-2017, 09:22 AM	#357
Rufusyo Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DFW Texas Posts: 3,912 rufusyo	What is crazy to me, is how many people just go off of the blowout price when it can be had significantly cheaper from other sources. Props to Blowout! They have become the wax trend setters. Even my LCS goes by their prices. On the notes about the print run, I don't know if anyone is saying it is short printed. I don't think that is the case. However, it is very apparent that there are several distributers that have already sold their allotment or most of it. The demand looks to be overpowering the supply of some, not all distributors at the moment. We will have to wait and see how the dust settles at the end of next week. It doesn't matter how much retail is out there, hobby prices and the demand for hobby is going to dictate the price of Hobby. All the retail in the world won't play much, if any factor in that. If hobby dries up the price of hobby trends up people might start to turn to retail for their fix but that doesn't bring hobby case prices back down to earth.

02-21-2017, 12:27 PM	#366
auctionjmm Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 9,960 auctionjmm	Good. Master sets should stay pretty high now. Can't give them away at $299.99 if you need 2 cases to build one.