Running CGC (old CSG) Order Tracker

[YeahBuddy]

Originally Posted by gymratcards

It’s the value limit that got me to use express. Otherwise, I’m with ya on that. Go the lowest cost option possible.

makes sense.

[discodanman45]

Definitely an uptick in views and people taking CSG seriously from eBay. I think that the COMC deal is helping advertise them.

[mnckla22]

Just had a bulk order ship. It was received in 3/17. All the images populated normally. The only issue was some of the cards didn't have descriptions for the CSG registry. I think they are still working on that.

Its nice being able to use COMC to grade the random 1-2 cards I pick up from there.

[evileddie]

Had a bulk order received 04/17 and they are already graded.

All 90's Jordan stuff

2 9.5
10 9
8 8.5
3 8
2 7.5 (these were both expected, was hoping for 8's)

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by evileddie

Had a bulk order received 04/17 and they are already graded.

All 90's Jordan stuff

2 9.5
10 9
8 8.5
3 8
2 7.5 (these were both expected, was hoping for 8's)

NICE! They're tough on 90s stuff in my experience. But I do mostly modern grading so not getting any 10s in a bulk order was a little jarring.

[YeahBuddy]

think i will get grades soon for my latest bulk

[Svabinsky78]

Does anyone have experience crossing over cards with CSG. So I recently purchased the attached card from SGC. I think it's pretty undergraded. The centering is spot on, the corners (even using a watchmakers loupe) are razor sharp, edges are clean. The only visible issues with the surface are those two small fisheyes in the Tommy John name box. The scratches in Bob's box are actually on the case.

When you submit for a cross, do you indicate the minimum grade you are seeking?

I am fine with a 7 if that is what it is but in this case, I really do think the card is undergraded. I think it could potentially get an 8 with CSG. I do like SGC but I do think they are the harshest when it comes to vintage.

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by Svabinsky78

I am fine with a 7 if that is what it is but in this case, I really do think the card is undergraded. I think it could potentially get an 8 with CSG. I do like SGC but I do think they are the harshest when it comes to vintage.

I don't think it will get an 8. I see some surface issues on the middle/left side of the card. It looks like a tiny bit of staining. CSG is really tough on surfaces, and they have started to put the hammer down on vintage. They are not so easy anymore.

Edit: Here is a close up of what I am talking about.

[The_Reverend]

I crossed my BGS 8.5/10 of Kaprizov to a CSG 9/10. I put same or better grade. I thought it would go up, but would have been happy with the CSG 8.5

[Svabinsky78]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

I crossed my BGS 8.5/10 of Kaprizov to a CSG 9/10. I put same or better grade. I thought it would go up, but would have been happy with the CSG 8.5

Can you stipulate a higher grade? So for this card, could I say 8 or better, otherwise leave it be? Or is the only option same grade or better?

Thank you. Never tried to cross a card, so new to this.

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by Svabinsky78

Can you stipulate a higher grade? So for this card, could I say 8 or better, otherwise leave it be? Or is the only option same grade or better?

Thank you. Never tried to cross a card, so new to this.

Nope, only can cross at same grade or higher. The other option is at any grade. I doubt CSG would bump up any card more than 0.5 grade from a slab. The best bet is to crack and submit raw. However, that is risky. CSG could deem the card altered in some way. I have graded vintage for the last year with CSG and getting a 8 right now is really difficult. My suggestion is keep it in the SGC 7 slab.

[Svabinsky78]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

Nope, only can cross at same grade or higher. The other option is at any grade. I doubt CSG would bump up any card more than 0.5 grade from a slab. The best bet is to crack and submit raw. However, that is risky. CSG could deem the card altered in some way. I have graded vintage for the last year with CSG and getting a 8 right now is really difficult. My suggestion is keep it in the SGC 7 slab.

Yeah, cracking is always dicey. I am fine with the 7. I have to say though, that I still think that CSG is more lenient than SGC on vintage. I submitted a Joe Morgan rookie. Really nice card but did have a bunch of fish eyes. I thought it would come back a 7, because of the fish eyes and a black smudge from the printing process, and to my surprise, it cam back am 8.

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by Svabinsky78

Yeah, cracking is always dicey. I am fine with the 7. I have to say though, that I still think that CSG is more lenient than SGC on vintage. I submitted a Joe Morgan rookie. Really nice card but did have a bunch of fish eyes. I thought it would come back a 7, because of the fish eyes and a black smudge from the printing process, and to my surprise, it cam back am 8.

How long ago did you submit the Morgan? My last two orders from CSG the last few months have been really strict. I might even crack out a few to send to PSA because I know they would grade higher. 2022 they had some leniency issues, but those days seem to be over.

[Svabinsky78]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

How long ago did you submit the Morgan? My last two orders from CSG the last few months have been really strict. I might even crack out a few to send to PSA because I know they would grade higher. 2022 they had some leniency issues, but those days seem to be over.

The Morgan was about five months ago, or so. There were a few head scratchers that I received - my 85 TCMA McGriff..... can't for the life of me figure out the 7 it got - but, overall, the three orders I've submitted with CSG, I've been pretty happy and grades were pretty much in line with what I expected, a mix of 8s, 9s, and some 10s.

I do have another order that I am lining up for them. There are three vintage in there and I am really curious how they'll pan out, a 53 Bowman Nellie Fox, and 51 Bowman Bob Lemon and Early Wynn. The Wynn is a tad off center but really sharp corners, nice color, registration. The only issue it has, and it was not advertised when I bought it on eBay and I was too lazy to try to get a refund, are what appear to be two perfectly parallel faint lines running vertically up the card. The only thing I can think of are print lines. From the eBay listing, it looked like a 7, but who knows what it will come back now. The Fox is nice, off center, but not enough where it would not qualify for a 7 centering wise. The Lemon, I thought between a 6 and 7, just because a couple of the corners are on the softish side. It will be an interesting experiment.

These are some minor league cards from my last order about two to three months ago. They were generous on the CC. If the CC card got an 8.5, the Pudge and Scherzer should have at least gotten an 8.5. the Sandberg has a rough upper left hand corner. I mean, overall, I think their grades are appropriate.

[evileddie]

For the slightly thicker CSG slabs what type of graded card sleeve fits them best? I have Superior fit sleeves for my CSG slabs, but they won't fit the slightly thicker ones.

[YeahBuddy]

Originally Posted by evileddie

For the slightly thicker CSG slabs what type of graded card sleeve fits them best? I have Superior fit sleeves for my CSG slabs, but they won't fit the slightly thicker ones.

i just use sgc bags

[Scottish Punk]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

How long ago did you submit the Morgan? My last two orders from CSG the last few months have been really strict. I might even crack out a few to send to PSA because I know they would grade higher. 2022 they had some leniency issues, but those days seem to be over.

I may put together a small test order to see if this holds true. When I am looking at eBay for graded 70's CSG cards, a lot still feel over graded. Those could be "older" graded cards and now they are inline with SGC/PSA, but it makes shopping for them difficult. The trust factor isn't there for me yet.

There was a Ted Hendricks RC in a CSG 8 that I had my eye on. It was really off center and felt more like a 7 at best to me. It only sold for $16 so I am guessing I wasn't the only one that felt it was over graded.

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

I may put together a small test order to see if this holds true. When I am looking at eBay for graded 70's CSG cards, a lot still feel over graded. Those could be "older" graded cards and now they are inline with SGC/PSA, but it makes shopping for them difficult. The trust factor isn't there for me yet.

They have just changed their cert numbers from 10 digits to 13 digits for brand new slabs. Will be easier to track all cards graded from now on. There was definitely a difference last year when my first submission came back with about 80% of my cards graded 0.5 to 1 full grade above what I was used to with PSA/SGC. That gap has narrowed every submission since then. I never graded with the green label.

I think all the big grading companies are now about the same, but it really depends on the grader you get at that company. There are easier and harder graders at all these companies, with PSA having the biggest variance. I have recently bought some PSA 5's from 1957 that I am seriously questioning. They would have been 7's only a few years ago.

[Svabinsky78]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

They have just changed their cert numbers from 10 digits to 13 digits for brand new slabs. Will be easier to track all cards graded from now on. There was definitely a difference last year when my first submission came back with about 80% of my cards graded 0.5 to 1 full grade above what I was used to with PSA/SGC. That gap has narrowed every submission since then. I never graded with the green label.

I think all the big grading companies are now about the same, but it really depends on the grader you get at that company. There are easier and harder graders at all these companies, with PSA having the biggest variance. I have recently bought some PSA 5's from 1957 that I am seriously questioning. They would have been 7's only a few years ago.

I'd agree that the grader likely makes a difference, albeit, you'd think that they'd have quality control. I have two Roberto Alomar first cards, his very first minor league cards. One is a PSA 9 and the other a PSA 7. Honestly, the 7 blows the 9 out of the park. I'll post a photo at some point for comparison. I have no idea what the grader that graded that card a 7 was thinking....you get graders who are just overly harsh....like, they cannot bring themselves to give a card a certain grade....

And I do find this to be an issue, in particular, with PSA. SGC is strict, but at least they are consistent and grades are within the realm of expectations.....PSA, as of late in particular, is like playing the slot machine......

[YeahBuddy]

my recent sub had a couple that I felt were overgraded. Modern. Then one that was just out of my expertise/wheelhouse an exquisite card that got a 6, were the corners bad? yes. Was everything else quite nice, yes. If i had to put a grade on it myself I'd be somewhere in the 6.5 to 8 range. I'd probably lean more to a 7.

I had a PSA 9 I cracked of a modern card that once I cracked it felt like wow probably barely a 9. I was butt hurt thinking it would be a CSG 8.5 and was really hoping for CSG 9.5 as most in my set are 9.5 or higher with only one 9 .... then it came back a 10 ... and just goes to show grader discrepancy because all my 9.5s from the set are far nicer then this 10.

[Scottish Punk]

Originally Posted by YeahBuddy

my recent sub had a couple that I felt were overgraded. Modern. Then one that was just out of my expertise/wheelhouse an exquisite card that got a 6, were the corners bad? yes. Was everything else quite nice, yes. If i had to put a grade on it myself I'd be somewhere in the 6.5 to 8 range. I'd probably lean more to a 7.

I had a PSA 9 I cracked of a modern card that once I cracked it felt like wow probably barely a 9. I was butt hurt thinking it would be a CSG 8.5 and was really hoping for CSG 9.5 as most in my set are 9.5 or higher with only one 9 .... then it came back a 10 ... and just goes to show grader discrepancy because all my 9.5s from the set are far nicer then this 10.

I feel pretty convinced that since the black level switch, CSG grades modern about a half grade lower than everybody else. Vintage is still soft. I was watching "nothing but cardboard" crossover vids. CSG black labels were crossing to PSA 10 at a 40% clip. SGC 9.5/10 and even HGA 9.5/10 were the opposite of that. Felt like almost all the 10's crossed and a healthy amount of the 9.5s.

These vids were from at least 3 months ago, so if Discodan is saying they tightened up, maybe they are back in line now. My theory with the half grades lower is based on Beckett grading. PSA/SGC look at card and start at a 10 and see if flaws knock it down. Beckett uses the subgrades approach taking the four subs and figuring a grade. Something with a 9 corners can get bumped to gem mint if all the other stuff is perfect. Where as, SGC/PSA look at a dinged 9 corner and it will stay there. So CSG is "correct" in the way they interpret the grade as is SGC/PSA.

I hope I explained that good enough. I really like the CSG cases and am rooting for them to keep getting traction, but when people see bad cross video, it doesn't look good. Should have just kept subgrades mandatory from the get go and the 10 that didn't cross is easily explained with a 9 corner sub or whatever.

[Gkozsportscards]

Economy $15 11-card sub

Rec'd 4/25
Shipped 4/26

Grades were consistent and very happy w/ the service.

[Svabinsky78]

This is the Wynn card I thought about submitting. Hard to see but in the second photo, you can see two parallel lines running up the card. I believe they print lines. Not sure what else they can be. They are very faint and can only be seen when the card is held at the right angle.

Not sure how CSG will treat those.

[gmarutiak]

Originally Posted by evileddie

For the slightly thicker CSG slabs what type of graded card sleeve fits them best? I have Superior fit sleeves for my CSG slabs, but they won't fit the slightly thicker ones.

I use the Superior Fit 260 point sleeve. It provides a pretty snug fit. The drawback is that it leaves a little bit of the back of the case unprotected, because it isn't quite long enough for the CSG slab: https://www.superiorfitsleeves.com/S.../pf-up-260.htm

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by Svabinsky78

This is the Wynn card I thought about submitting. Hard to see but in the second photo, you can see two parallel lines running up the card. I believe they print lines. Not sure what else they can be. They are very faint and can only be seen when the card is held at the right angle.

Not sure how CSG will treat those.

I had a faint one of those lines on a 1984 Donruss Mattingly that got a 7. Probably would be a 5 to a max of 6 without a bad wax stain on the back. I HATE the older Bowman with the CSG slabs. I will probably crack out the one below and send to SGC/PSA. The color is absolutely gorgeous on this card. Having that crimped plastic sleeve is just hideous.