2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP - Page 149

cnewby · 02-28-2020, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by discostu

It's just a lot of bluster to make a claim like that. And Trump has done a great job selling this notion of his vast (and vastly overstated) accomplishments. Where Reagan got the nickname of the "Teflon" president, Trump would most certainly be the "Gaslighting" president.

In my view, based on my lifetime (as a citizen and as a history nut)...I firmly put two Republicans and two Democrats as "more accomplished" than Trump.

Reagan and George HW Bush.
Clinton and Obama.

Of course, the definition of "accomplished" is relative, which is why I was curious.

Now this is laughable. Please list his accomplishments as you see them.

Brobocop · 02-28-2020, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by cnewby

Now this is laughable. Please list his accomplishments as you see them.

I can name a few but I have a feeling that people might dismiss them.

I will say that the ACA overall seems to have been a success depending on what you are looking at. I'm sure people have their feelings about it, but the individual mandate helped drive the amount of uninsured down by about 50% from where it was at the outset of the ACA. Is it perfect? No. Have some people seen costs go up? Yes. Have some seen their coverage change for the worse? Yes. The plan was far from perfect and a lot remains to be done in my mind. This was a good start though and it is something I would like to see pushed further. I just don't believe that people should be forced to choose between going broke and getting healthcare. We as a society should be beyond that.

Forgive student loan debt? No.
Free college for all? No.
Tax the wealthy into oblivion? No.

I still would not mind paying more in taxes if it meant others could get the care they need. How much more? I don't know. This is a trading card message board and I'm not sure I'm up for a giant debate on the merits of single payer healthcare and whether or not it would be a bane or boon to society.

MIRRABB · 02-28-2020, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by cnewby

Now this is laughable. Please list his accomplishments as you see them.

Speaking of laughable, could you repost this list of Trump's accomplishments?

cnewby · 02-28-2020, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MIRRABB

Speaking of laughable, could you repost this list of Trump's accomplishments?

Search the thread....or google is your friend.

Soxfanguy · 02-28-2020, 02:51 PM

If Trump could occasionally shut up, he’d easily win the election

In the last 40 years there has only been 2 1 term presidents

Whodatiz · 02-28-2020, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MIRRABB

Speaking of laughable, could you repost this list of Trump's accomplishments?

Typing is hard.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/trump-adm...complishments/

Brobocop · 02-28-2020, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Whodatiz

Typing is hard.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/trump-adm...complishments/

To be fair, did you have this amount of sarcasm when someone asked to list Obama's accomplishments? I didn't see it if you did.

discostu · 02-28-2020, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by cnewby

Now this is laughable. Please list his accomplishments as you see them.

Are you ceding that Reagan, Bush 1.0 and Clinton had more accomplishments or are you a teenager?

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Regarding some of Obama's accomplishments...

First and foremost was the economy. We seem to forget that the 2008 election was hardly an election any reasonable candidate wanted to win. Obama ushered the country out of a historic recession.

Healthcare. Sure, it was half-baked and had flaws throughout, but it was a bold and comprehensive structure that helped millions have access to healthcare.

Dodd-Frank and the reforms for Wall Street.

Extending the Bush Tax Cuts.

Auto industry reform and fuel efficiency standards.

Cutting deficit spending after getting the recession under control.

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Hammer away as needed. Also, not finding your list of Trump's accomplishments.

Soxfanguy · 02-28-2020, 02:59 PM

Obama raised taxes. Here’s the full list

https://www.atr.org/full-list-ACA-tax-hikes-a6996

Soxfanguy · 02-28-2020, 03:06 PM

It’s funny Bernie thinks that if you raise the tax rate to 95%, revenue will just go up. Problem is that he’s never heard of the Laffer Curver

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielm...x-revenue/amp/

chezball · 02-28-2020, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by zachtruitt

I'd vote for GWB over Trump eight days a week and I spent lots of time campaigning against Bush and everything he stood for. Trump is toxic to most people and hopefully we can move on after this "era" is over.

43 was right behind 44 as being the worst president ever.

Peties Army · 02-28-2020, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by cnewby

Now this is laughable. Please list his accomplishments as you see them.

Really? Was the whole thing about saving the economy.

chezball · 02-28-2020, 03:28 PM

BREAKING: peace deal just reached with the taliban, troops to withdraw.

Whodatiz · 02-28-2020, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Brobocop

To be fair, did you have this amount of sarcasm when someone asked to list Obama's accomplishments? I didn't see it if you did.

No, because I didn't post Obama's. Wouldn't be much to list.

Also, sarcasm was answered with sarcasm.

fulltritty · 02-28-2020, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by chezball

BREAKING: peace deal just reached with the taliban, troops to withdraw.

Country will be ruled by the Taliban within 1 month of US troop withdrawal.

I'm sure Cheney will be super mad. I have mixed feelings on this as we should have probably just went in with quick surgical strikes and taken out Taliban leadership and Bin Ladin and left the rest up to the Afghan people instead of trying to Nation build in the first place.

I'm sure if the Taliban begin to strike US troops again from Afghanistan, GWOT will allow any US President to bomb their terror camps.

Soxfanguy · 02-28-2020, 03:43 PM

We wasted so much money in Afghanistan and Iraq, we could have saved so much money and lives if we didn’t go

fulltritty · 02-28-2020, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Soxfanguy

We wasted so much money in Afghanistan and Iraq, we could have saved so much money and lives if we didn’t go

Had to invade Afghanistan at least to defeat Bin Laden or you would be seeing terror attacks in this country well after 9-11 and probably today. We just shouldn't have stayed and Nation built.

Iraq was just "taking care of what my Daddy couldn't accomplish." Ironically taking out Saddam Husein's regime has caused more chaos in the Middle East than would have happened if he was still in power but neutralized through UN sanctions and the No Fly Zone. With Saddam in power, there never would have been Taliban in Iraq, as much cultural bloodshed, ISIS, or Iran infiltrating the current Government.

TheHeel · 02-28-2020, 04:12 PM

To those asking about President Obama’s long list of accomplishments, please see the 2016 thread.

The only thing I see as Trump’s accomplishment was after he started fighting with Iran, he backed down after they retaliated. He showed a sliver of leadership to see the error of his decision.

Whodatiz · 02-28-2020, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TheHeel

To those asking about President Obama’s long list of accomplishments, please see the 2016 thread.

The only thing I see as Trump’s accomplishment was after he started fighting with Iran, he backed down after they retaliated. He showed a sliver of leadership to see the error of his decision.

Aren't you tired yet?

fulltritty · 02-28-2020, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TheHeel

To those asking about President Obama’s long list of accomplishments, please see the 2016 thread.

The only thing I see as Trump’s accomplishment was after he started fighting with Iran, he backed down after they retaliated. He showed a sliver of leadership to see the error of his decision.

This might be the funniest thing you've written in this entire thread.

Backing down would have been immediately signing another bad treaty with them that they would break and have the President do nothing about.

Backing down to them would have been releasing them from the crippling sanctions their country faces.

Backing down to them would have been to stop providing military aid and support to fight their proxies in Syria and Yemen.

Backing down to them would have been pulling 5th Fleet out of the Persian Gulf; a dream of Iran's.

Backing down to them would have entailed pulling all troops out of Iraq and abandoning the Government there 100% so Iran and it's proxies could take over like they have been trying to do for years.

TheHeel · 02-28-2020, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Whodatiz

Aren't you tired yet?

Stop being so triggered.

All I said was to look at the 2016 thread.

TheHeel · 02-28-2020, 04:31 PM

Here ya go....

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=1409

chezball · 02-28-2020, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TheHeel

Stop being so triggered.

All I said was to look at the 2016 thread.

The only thing in there are your memes.

Whodatiz · 02-28-2020, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TheHeel

Stop being so triggered.

All I said was to look at the 2016 thread.

Haha. Triggered? You have more posts than me in this thread man.

fulltritty · 02-28-2020, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TheHeel

Here ya go....

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=1409

So where's that war we are supposed to be in with Trump as President?

View Poll Results: Who wins these elections? (you can pick multiple)
Donald Trump	44	53.66%
Joe Biden	38	46.34%
Trump Wins Florida	44	53.66%
Biden Wins Florida	16	19.51%
Trump Wins Georgia	44	53.66%
Biden Wins Georgia	12	14.63%
Trump Wins Ohio	43	52.44%
Biden Wins Ohio	16	19.51%
Trump Wins Pennsylvania	27	32.93%
Biden Wins Pennsylvania	34	41.46%
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02-28-2020, 02:51 PM	#3705
Soxfanguy Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: White Sox Posts: 15,579 Soxfanguy	If Trump could occasionally shut up, he’d easily win the election In the last 40 years there has only been 2 1 term presidents __________________ ok

02-28-2020, 02:59 PM	#3709
Soxfanguy Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: White Sox Posts: 15,579 Soxfanguy	Obama raised taxes. Here’s the full list https://www.atr.org/full-list-ACA-tax-hikes-a6996 __________________ ok

02-28-2020, 03:06 PM	#3710
Soxfanguy Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: White Sox Posts: 15,579 Soxfanguy	2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - All Politics & Dumb Opinions Here It’s funny Bernie thinks that if you raise the tax rate to 95%, revenue will just go up. Problem is that he’s never heard of the Laffer Curver https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielm...x-revenue/amp/ __________________ ok Last edited by Soxfanguy; 02-28-2020 at 03:10 PM.

02-28-2020, 03:43 PM	#3716
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