Patrick Mahomes Prices

[gottagitdemjs]

After today, this will probably come in handy. If enough of us do it, he and Johnny will only have their own thoughts to stew in whilst we count our profits.

[MFaulkCollector]

Originally Posted by Fenway55

It is indeed paradoxical that Mahomes best record through 9 games of the season coincides with what is arguably his worst personal performance through 9 games of the season.

Of course, it is only the "worst" for Mahomes because he set the bar incredibly high with the stellar, MVP caliber seasons he has already enjoyed. I feel as though the League has had their chance to take KC down a peg or two but failed and if/when Mahomes steps it up, they'll be taking no prisoners.

This is the paradox that people don't seem to understand when trying to compare greatness.............. it's not about stats OR wins..... it's about BOTH in totality. Without both nobody can be the "greatest" at anything. Context and competition also matters.

Tom Brady isn't the greatest because he won 7 SB's or because he had the single greatest season a NFL QB ever had............. He is the greatest because he won 7 SB's AND Won 3 MVP's..... He's the greatest because he threw for almost 90K yards and 650 TD passes WHILE ALSO winning at better than a 75 percent clip for over 20 years...... He's the greatest not because he played 20 plus years and accrued stats...... but because he won SB's on a different teams with a totally different offenses and garnered MVP votes in his mid 40's while having back to back 40 TD pass seasons in his 40's.

Greatness is about the resume....... and it can only be built over time..... lots and lots of time. The things an individual would have to do to get to Brady are unfathomable. This notion Mahomes only needs 5 because he's more exciting is laughable. From a statistical standpoint Brady did more with less than Mahomes has/did on offense in my opinion but that's a different topic. If 5 ends up being Mahomes' SB tally, he better have 5 MVP's and 600 TD passes with a winning percentage over .755 to begin that debate..... not to mention comparable numbers in other areas....... even then Brady played in an era with 2 other top 5 QB's (Manning/Mahomes), 2 more top 10 (Rodgers/Brees), and 2 more first ballot HOF (Ben and Eli), not to mention likely 3 other HOF (Stafford, Ryan, Rivers)........ to either play directly or had to ultimately be better than to win MVP's and/or super bowls. Mahomes had Brady who certainly cost him at least 1, other than that I do think Jackson and Allen will end up being HOF's, Burrow is really good..... but I certainly don't think Mahomes will be up against 3 of the best 10 QB's ever to play for his entire career like Brady did.

There are so many things like this that are just hard facts people fail to take into account. The lack of appreciation for anything that happened more than 8 minutes ago baffles me............. anyhow.... resume, resume, resume, greatness is decided on objective factual data; once that gets close enough to argue one way or another then fun debate begins.... but until then, it's a waste of time which seems to happen a lot on here

[KardsC1]

Goat definition is different for everyone …for me, it’s records, stats, rings, and eye test…all to say, who played at the highest peak possible and how sustainable was that peak ..the story is still being written about mahomes ..all we can say is that he is on pace to be the best ..what happens here on out is all speculation

[blackandgold]

You would have asked me before the season started who I would take in a game to drive the ball down the field and win- I would have picked Patty over Brady every day and twice on Tuesday Don't know if these stats will be the norm for Patty going forward- thinking that it wont but we shall see

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Refs getting blasted for their weak illegal contact call in chiefs/broncos game.

Broncos had that drive WRAPPED UP. But no, refs had to step in.

https://broncoswire.usatoday.com/202...randon%20Jones.

That sack happened so fast, it's amazing a penalty was called on a db.

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

Refs getting blasted for their weak illegal contact call in chiefs/broncos game.

Broncos had that drive WRAPPED UP. But no, refs had to step in.

https://broncoswire.usatoday.com/202...randon%20Jones.

That sack happened so fast, it's amazing a penalty was called on a db.

Lmao. "Getting blasted" on the losing team's website...

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

Lmao. "Getting blasted" on the losing team's website...

Yeah with links to all the twitter people posting about it.

Everybody sees it. That was a great defensive stand on 3rd down that got blown up by NFL refs to extend the chiefs drive and gave them life.

In most of the history of the NFL, that's a sack and the end of that drive. But not today.

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

Lmao. "Getting blasted" on the losing team's website...

Here you go.


https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/...caf9ecd8b1b1fc

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by MallcopKJ

100% correct. When it came to Mahomes being better than Brady, results in terms of wins mattered to absolutely none of these people. Stats were everything.

Now, stats mean nothing and it's all about wins.

Seriously, how many times in this thread did someone say something like, "If wins were everything, Ken Sneedman would be GOAT! And no one thinks Ken Sneedman is the GOAT! Football is a team sport. Citing wins for a quarterback is the most irrelevant thing you can mention!"

Now its sunshine and rainbows, 9-0. YIPPEEEEE!

Let them be, they also have secret crush on Jimmy G

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

Yeah with links to all the twitter people posting about it.

Everybody sees it. That was a great defensive stand on 3rd down that got blown up by NFL refs to extend the chiefs drive and gave them life.

In most of the history of the NFL, that's a sack and the end of that drive. But not today.

I can't imagine whining so much about a call when the team was up 14-3 in the second quarter and it wasn't even a scoring play. I guess you have to blame someone.

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

Here you go.


https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/...caf9ecd8b1b1fc

Lmao. Your link is for the writer for the Bronco's wire??? Totally neutral!
Yep, that proves it. Nice job

Hahaha - his bio under the link -
A lifelong Broncos fan...Travis is filled with sometimes useless NFL knowledge.

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by MFaulkCollector

This is the paradox that people don't seem to understand when trying to compare greatness.............. it's not about stats OR wins..... it's about BOTH in totality. Without both nobody can be the "greatest" at anything. Context and competition also matters.

Tom Brady isn't the greatest because he won 7 SB's or because he had the single greatest season a NFL QB ever had............. He is the greatest because he won 7 SB's AND Won 3 MVP's..... He's the greatest because he threw for almost 90K yards and 650 TD passes WHILE ALSO winning at better than a 75 percent clip for over 20 years...... He's the greatest not because he played 20 plus years and accrued stats...... but because he won SB's on a different teams with a totally different offenses and garnered MVP votes in his mid 40's while having back to back 40 TD pass seasons in his 40's.

Greatness is about the resume....... and it can only be built over time..... lots and lots of time. The things an individual would have to do to get to Brady are unfathomable. This notion Mahomes only needs 5 because he's more exciting is laughable. From a statistical standpoint Brady did more with less than Mahomes has/did on offense in my opinion but that's a different topic. If 5 ends up being Mahomes' SB tally, he better have 5 MVP's and 600 TD passes with a winning percentage over .755 to begin that debate..... not to mention comparable numbers in other areas....... even then Brady played in an era with 2 other top 5 QB's (Manning/Mahomes), 2 more top 10 (Rodgers/Brees), and 2 more first ballot HOF (Ben and Eli), not to mention likely 3 other HOF (Stafford, Ryan, Rivers)........ to either play directly or had to ultimately be better than to win MVP's and/or super bowls. Mahomes had Brady who certainly cost him at least 1, other than that I do think Jackson and Allen will end up being HOF's, Burrow is really good..... but I certainly don't think Mahomes will be up against 3 of the best 10 QB's ever to play for his entire career like Brady did.

There are so many things like this that are just hard facts people fail to take into account. The lack of appreciation for anything that happened more than 8 minutes ago baffles me............. anyhow.... resume, resume, resume, greatness is decided on objective factual data; once that gets close enough to argue one way or another then fun debate begins.... but until then, it's a waste of time which seems to happen a lot on here

people here love to flip flop between stats and wins just to fit the narratives, what you said not going to happen. we'll see when Mahomes no longer have the stats nor wins

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

I can't imagine whining so much about a call when the team was up 14-3 in the second quarter and it wasn't even a scoring play. I guess you have to blame someone.

That gave Mahomes and kelce and Hopkins a fresh set of downs and seven points.

No flag and it’s a punt. Broncos were moving the ball well and would have one last opportunity before halftime.

In a league of supposed parity that’s huge.

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

Lmao. Your link is for the writer for the Bronco's wire??? Totally neutral!
Yep, that proves it. Nice job

Hahaha - his bio under the link -
A lifelong Broncos fan...Travis is filled with sometimes useless NFL knowledge.

Are those twitter people wrong?

[blackbears86]

Patty with another disappointing day.


I was hoping he would have carried over some momentum from last weeks game, but he went right back to being basically a game manager.


At least no picks.

[Rabs]

Originally Posted by gottagitdemjs

After today, this will probably come in handy. If enough of us do it, he and Johnny will only have their own thoughts to stew in whilst we count our profits.

Please post this daily until everyone does it.

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by Rabs

Please post this daily until everyone does it.

please do! I know some people want to avoid cold hard truth. Ignorance is a bliss afterall

[MyckKabongo]

Standing in the corner looking at Chad with the girls mumbling

"Worst 9-0 team ever"

"They used up all their luck"

"He might have the wins but he doesn't have the stats"

[HBMC]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

Patty with another disappointing day.


I was hoping he would have carried over some momentum from last weeks game, but he went right back to being basically a game manager.


At least no picks.

The amount of plays he pulled out his backside because of his ability to scramble today was very high. Yes, the miss to Kelce in the endzone was tough, but I am not sure he saw him completely or not. The eye in the sky will tell the truth.

He ate the ball multiple times because no one was open. He also didn't force things into traffic because of feeling the need to press to win. The rushing attack was efficient today and it showed in the passing game. Credit to the Broncos for making the day difficult for the Chiefs' Offense.

Denver has the personnel up front to make a team with below average Tackle play suffer and their LB's are speedy/aware enough to take away what makes Patrick special with his ad-lib playmaking ability. The ability to get pressure without bringing more bodies to the QB has always been a great formula for success in the NFL.

Mahomes' extended play to Perine was dynamite. I thought he was for sure going to be sacked.

The Broncos certainly did enough to win outside of block a FG correctly. Leo Chenal being a certified athletic freak certainly helps.

On to Buffalo!

[boxbuster7]

I think Mahomes ankle is still bothering him. He said he rolled it two weeks in a row and he just looked a tad off today.

[HBMC]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

I think Mahomes ankle is still bothering him. He said he rolled it two weeks in a row and he just looked a tad off today.

100%, that wasn't a typical injury last week.

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

Big game next week

I am rock hard baby!

[pejc300]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

I think Mahomes ankle is still bothering him. He said he rolled it two weeks in a row and he just looked a tad off today.

Originally Posted by HBMC

100%, that wasn't a typical injury last week.

Absolutely. I hope he will at least get a bye week in week 1 of the playoffs to rest up. That thing is not going to heal the way it should if he has to run for his life like he did today, and he's risking really injuring it bad. Kudos to the Broncos. I had not watched them all year and that D was insane. I haven't seen a team dominate the Chiefs O-Line like that in a long time. Side note - the Chiefs need to sign a new back up LT ASAP. That rookie Kingsley is absolutely horrible and will cost them the season of Wanda goes out again. Orlando Pace at 50 years old would be better.

[jplarson]

Are we.... are we calling it now? Mahomes has a problem in his throwing ankle?

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by jplarson

Are we.... are we calling it now? Mahomes has a problem in his throwing ankle?

I think he does but it is nothing major. Couple shots of cortisone pregame and he is 99%.