Patrick Mahomes Prices

[imbluestreak23]

I'm more disappointed Hollywoodboi is probably missing the entire season other than playoffs. Waste of cash for 2024 sadly.

[pejc300]

Originally Posted by Earlsnake07

KC is bringing back an old face....Hunt. I figured Jett would get the call.

Game in 2 weeks is actually looking like it may be an early season big game (@ Chargers) - only real question is will the home team have more red or blue in the stands.

Yeah, I don't want to admit it because of a few Herbert collectors on IG, but Harbaugh does scare. The difference in SD between last year and this year is night and day already. Harbaught was the best free agent pickup in the entire NFL.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by MyckKabongo

Not expecting much drop off from Pacheco to Steele, tbh. Steele has bulldozed guys every time he touches the ball.

Perine is serviceable. CEH is cromulent. McKinnon or Kareem Hunt would be as well. The Chiefs have had worse RB corps in recent years..

They need a 3rd guy to split carries.

Teams are going to do what the Bengals did and dare them to run the ball. Steele probably can't run like that 20 times a game, especially without being a turnover risk.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by foleylion08

Patty now on pace for 26 TDs and 26 picks.

Patty's stats are looking weak for sure and honestly, I don't know if the patty of 2018-2020 is coming back anytime soon.


Everyone here content because they are 2-0 but I think it sucks. Hopefully Reid will need him to sling it more with Pacheco out.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

Patty's stats are looking weak for sure and honestly, I don't know if the patty of 2018-2020 is coming back anytime soon.


Everyone here content because they are 2-0 but I think it sucks. Hopefully Reid will need him to sling it more with Pacheco out.

We're way past the point of caring about week to week stats in this thread.

Maybe the Trevor Lawrence thread really focuses on that kind of stuff, but here it's not really what matters at this point.

But you are right about one thing: Nobody in the league is going to put up the stats that Mahomes did in 2018. Defenses have adjusted and the game has slowed down this year. The NFL's leading passer is averaging 275 yards through the first 2 weeks. That's insanely low for a 2 week period compared to a few years ago.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by tjforce

We're way past the point of caring about week to week stats in this thread.

Maybe the Trevor Lawrence thread really focuses on that kind of stuff, but here it's not really what matters at this point.

LOL, I'm not past it.


This is the Patty thread right? Otherwise, let's call it the Chiefs thread.


I miss the 3 and 4 TD game stat lines from Patty.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

LOL, I'm not past it.


This is the Patty thread right? Otherwise, let's call it the Chiefs thread.


I miss the 3 and 4 TD game stat lines from Patty.

If that's your cup of tea. Dan Marino had tons of those.

I prefer the 3 or 4 Super Bowl MVPs myself.

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by tjforce

If that's your cup of tea. Dan Marino had tons of those.

I prefer the 3 or 4 Super Bowl MVPs myself.

so you want to take the W but cant accept that Mahomes played poorly this first 2 weeks? 🤔

[Jeter1020]

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[tjforce]

Originally Posted by Delta5

so you want to take the W but cant accept that Mahomes played poorly this first 2 weeks? 🤔

He sure as hell did not play poorly vs the Ravens. If you his play was poor that week, then there's no point in having this conversation.

Week 2 he played below his standard, no denying that. But when the game was on the line he made the winning play, whether you consider it 4th and 6 when he completed a 21 yard pass that got called back, or 4th and 16 when he found a receiver downfield in position to make the catch and drew interference.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by Jeter1020

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It's fun to watch the trolls come in and try to claim some sort of hater victory because he *** Checks Notes*** needs a game winning drive in order to beat it's conference rival.

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by tjforce

It's fun to watch the trolls come in and try to claim some sort of hater victory because he *** Checks Notes*** needs a game winning drive in order to beat it's conference rival.

he threw for 150 yards and 2 int. His team bailed him out with that pick six.Hr played like Caleb on week 1

[pejc300]

I will confess I hadn't looked at the scheduling recently. Next four games:
Falcons
Chargers
Saints
49ers

Mini-gauntlet. Hopefully we can come out at least 4-2

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by Delta5

he threw for 150 yards and 2 int. His team bailed him out with that pick six.Hr played like Caleb on week 1

There's no denying, he hasn't played up to the usual patty standards, but he is still the best QB in the league, especially when you need a game winning drive.

[KhalDrogo]

I’m in the camp of winning is all that matters. But I say that believing that years like 2023 won’t be the new norm for him.

[2010GBPackers]

Originally Posted by tjforce

If that's your cup of tea. Dan Marino had tons of those.

I prefer the 3 or 4 Super Bowl MVPs myself.

I've mentioned this before, but this type of thinking is both reductive and easy to make in retrospect.

The truth is, Mahomes is Mahomes because of that 3-year stretch of brilliance, winning (though he "only" had 1 SB during that period), and eye-popping plays. And I don't think he has the fan base he currently has without it. Kids aren't pretending to be Mahomes because he dinked and dunked his way to a 3rd Super Bowl. Fans want winning, yes, but producing the high-level "art" that he once did is soooo overlooked. Not many kids grow up saying, "Dang, I want to be a concrete statue in the pocket just like Brady." No, they want to defy the athletic standards that they saw as otherwordly.

If all people really cared about (you, too tj) was winning Super Bowls, why watch any regular season games? It's all pointless, right? The reason you now "don't care" about that stuff anymore is because you think the market for his cards will only increase with more SB's. I don't believe that is true. And I think fans will find another QB to cheer for if he turns into a tamed version of his past self.

[Delta5]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

There's no denying, he hasn't played up to the usual patty standards, but he is still the best QB in the league, especially when you need a game winning drive.

based on these past 2 games I wouldnt put him as best qb in the league. Best accolades or track record for sure. But, if you see some of these qb plays (Stroud Allen, even Baker) and compare it to mahomes, he didnt look as hot. Maybe age catches up to him (doubtful) or super bowl hangover, offense not clicking with new faces, idk what it is but watching his relatively low sample size games (this season and regular season last leason) doesn't excite me

[Bosoxfan5990]

Remember how the Patriots used to operate?

They basically used September/October as practice to work out kinks and really turned it on in November/December going into the playoffs.

The Chiefs did this last year and look what happened.

It's even more pronounced now compared to what the Patriots did 10-20 years ago, due to how Training Camp and the Preseason are handled.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by Delta5

based on these past 2 games I wouldnt put him as best qb in the league. Best accolades or track record for sure. But, if you see some of these qb plays (Stroud Allen, even Baker) and compare it to mahomes, he didnt look as hot. Maybe age catches up to him (doubtful) or super bowl hangover, offense not clicking with new faces, idk what it is but watching his relatively low sample size games (this season and regular season last leason) doesn't excite me

Until Baker/Allen/Stroud actually perform on the highest stage, it's still patty.


He's sitting on the peak of the mountain that everyone else is still climbing.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by 2010GBPackers

I've mentioned this before, but this type of thinking is both reductive and easy to make in retrospect.

The truth is, Mahomes is Mahomes because of that 3-year stretch of brilliance, winning (though he "only" had 1 SB during that period), and eye-popping plays. And I don't think he has the fan base he currently has without it. Kids aren't pretending to be Mahomes because he dinked and dunked his way to a 3rd Super Bowl. Fans want winning, yes, but producing the high-level "art" that he once did is soooo overlooked. Not many kids grow up saying, "Dang, I want to be a concrete statue in the pocket just like Brady." No, they want to defy the athletic standards that they saw as otherwordly.

If all people really cared about (you, too tj) was winning Super Bowls, why watch any regular season games? It's all pointless, right? The reason you now "don't care" about that stuff anymore is because you think the market for his cards will only increase with more SB's. I don't believe that is true. And I think fans will find another QB to cheer for if he turns into a tamed version of his past self.

Agree. This is why I miss the 3-4 TD games he used to have, which sadly, look like they will be few and far between this year.

[blackandgold]

Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

Remember how the Patriots used to operate?

They basically used September/October as practice to work out kinks and really turned it on in November/December going into the playoffs.

The Chiefs did this last year and look what happened.

It's even more pronounced now compared to what the Patriots did 10-20 years ago, due to how Training Camp and the Preseason are handled.

Making this statement is comparing apples to oranges There’s to much progressive nature in the NFL to follow things people did 10-20 yrs ago. The debacle of the KC Chiefs (if there is one) willbe because of Andy Reid. Slowly but surely he’s pulling the reins back on Patty-Remember before how aggressive they used to play No lead is ever safe even if you 21 down with time in the NFL

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by blackandgold

Making this statement is comparing apples to oranges There’s to much progressive nature in the NFL to follow things people did 10-20 yrs ago. The debacle of the KC Chiefs (if there is one) willbe because of Andy Reid. Slowly but surely he’s pulling the reins back on Patty-Remember before how aggressive they used to play No lead is ever safe even if you 21 down with time in the NFL

The Chiefs literally did it last year.

Everyone was saying they looked like crap the first couple months and they ran through the playoffs.

[blackandgold]

Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

The Chiefs literally did it last year.

Everyone was saying they looked like crap the first couple months and they ran through the playoffs.

Those tactics don’t exist It’s way to hard to win games in the NFL to say teams are laying back to wait for the playoffs (YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME) as Herm would say lol

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by blackandgold

Those tactics don’t exist It’s way to hard to win games in the NFL to say teams are laying back to wait for the playoffs (YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME) as Herm would say lol

I'm not saying they purposely threw/lost games at the beginning of the year, but I'm saying they used the first couple months as an extended preseason to work out the kinks and incorporate new players into the offense.

They're already better than most teams in the NFL, so they're able to do this. A team like Carolina couldn't do the same thing, obviously.

[blackandgold]

Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

I'm not saying they purposely threw/lost games at the beginning of the year, but I'm saying they used the first couple months as an extended preseason to work out the kinks and incorporate new players into the offense.

They're already better than most teams in the NFL, so they're able to do this. A team like Carolina couldn't do the same thing, obviously.

I never said teams are throwing games or purposely losing (of course they want to win all their games) but take for instance the Ravens They definitely have the talent to make the playoffs but now they 0-2 Gonna be a hard road back to the playoffs for them