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[sonnyday]

Originally Posted by CoolG

So everybody who votes for Trump is weak minded and uneducated is that your believe ? Simple question

He said he preys on the weak minded. Why are you trying to twist his words?

[CoolG]

Originally Posted by sonnyday

He said he preys on the weak minded. Why are you trying to twist his words?

He's made reference to this in about 20 posts now and the uneducated card as well
So he must have a belief one way or another
So I'm asking not accusing

catch up with the posts on this subject
Thx
He's posted about 300 times so I know it's not easy

[xavieronly1]

Originally Posted by CoolG

He's made reference to this in about 20 posts now and the uneducated card as well
So he must have a belief one way or another
So I'm asking not accusing

catch up with the posts on this subject
Thx
He's posted about 300 times so I know it's not easy

It is not easy to jump right into off topic section with a new account.

[pgisback]

Originally Posted by CoolG

He's made reference to this in about 20 posts now and the uneducated card as well
So he must have a belief one way or another
So I'm asking not accusing

catch up with posts about this. Thx

It's politics. Demographics are everything in politics. And when you have a disparity between educated and uneducated whites that Trump has it's very important. How does Hillary get more of the uneducated vote because it's clear Trump can say or do anything and not lose any votes. Heck, he even mocks his supporters saying he can shoot someone and they'd still vote for him. And when you talk about demographics in politics you are talking about a majority. Of course there are educated people voting for Trump, there are uneducated people voting for Hillary. There are black people voting for Trump, military members voting for Hillary, etc, etc.

It's political lingo. Not everyone voting for Trump is dumb, but the majority of them are and they are the demographic that he targets. Heck, he even says he loves the poorly educated. He can even mock his supporters and they still vote for him. It's hilarious. I couldn't write this kind of comedy if I tried.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by pgisback

It's politics. Demographics are everything in politics. And when you have a disparity between educated and uneducated whites that Trump has it's very important. How does Hillary get more of the uneducated vote because it's clear Trump can say or do anything and not lose any votes. Heck, he even mocks his supporters saying he can shoot someone and they'd still vote for him. And when you talk about demographics in politics you are talking about a majority. Of course there are educated people voting for Trump, there are uneducated people voting for Hillary. There are black people voting for Trump, military members voting for Hillary, etc, etc.

It's political lingo. Not everyone voting for Trump is dumb, but the majority of them are and they are the demographic that he targets. Heck, he even says he loves the poorly educated. He can even mock his supporters and they still vote for him. It's hilarious. I couldn't write this kind of comedy if I tried.

This is absolutely absurd you know.

Every election since the beginning of the two party system, Democrats have crushed republicans on the un-educated vote. They'll crush them again this year. When I say crush I mean 3 to 1, 4 to 1 easy. Demographics are everything, you're right, and it's why the poor, uneducated inner city population of every major city across the United States is always the bluest of blue on the map. Miami, NYC, LA, Philly, Pittsburgh, Seattle, Portland, Atlanta etc. Landslides, even in Red states ...

So now Trump speaks to the uneducated white male, and you flip your lid because for the first time in perhaps ever, the democrats will lose that specific demographic (while still crushing the uneducated vote as a whole)?

[pgisback]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

This is absolutely absurd you know.

Every election since the beginning of the two party system, Democrats have crushed republicans on the un-educated vote. They'll crush them again this year. When I say crush I mean 3 to 1, 4 to 1 easy. Demographics are everything, you're right, and it's why the poor, uneducated inner city population of every major city across the United States is always the bluest of blue on the map. Miami, NYC, LA, Philly, Pittsburgh, Seattle, Portland, Atlanta etc. Landslides, even in Red states ...

So now Trump speaks to the uneducated white male, and you flip your lid because for the first time in perhaps ever, the democrats will lose that specific demographic (while still crushing the uneducated vote as a whole)?

No offense, but you have to be smarter than this. 3 to 1, 4 to 1? So you honestly believe Democrats win the uneducated vote by 80/20? Come on now. Obama won the uneducated vote 51/47 in 2012. The last Republican to win, Bush in 2004 won the uneducated vote 53/47. And Democrats never win the white vote in anything, except the female white educated vote recently. They definitely do not win the uneducated white male vote. That's always the biggest demographic for Republicans. The reason why it's a bigger deal this year, is because the gap between the two is unprecedented. Trump might be the first Republican in 60 years to lose the white male educated vote. And latest polls has him losing that by 5 pts. That's crazy. He's up 40 pts on the uneducated white male vote. The difference of the two can't be ignored.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by pgisback

No offense, but you have to be smarter than this. 3 to 1, 4 to 1? So you honestly believe Democrats win the uneducated vote by 80/20? Come on now. Obama won the uneducated vote 51/47 in 2012. And Democrats never win the white vote in anything, except the female white educated vote recently. They definitely do not win the uneducated white male vote. That's always the biggest demographic for Republicans. The reason why it's a bigger deal this year, is because the gap between the two is unprecedented. Trump might be the first Republican in 60 years to lose the white male educated vote. And latest polls has him losing that by 5 pts. That's crazy. He's up 40 pts on the uneducated white male vote. The difference of the two can't be ignored.

We must define uneducated differently, because when you look at the vote from the uneducated voters (who's highest level of education completed is grade school), the vote is consistently 75/25, sometimes as high as 85/15; which is a large make-up of inner city voters.

So I don't know where you get your numbers, and how they're defined, but it's clear that the democratic vote has always been dependent on the poor, the uneducated. To suggest that Trump is stealing what should always be a democratic staple is ludicrous.

[corndog]

If uneducated felons were allowed to vote, Republicans would never win the presidency.

[pgisback]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

We must define uneducated differently, because when you look at the vote from the uneducated voters (who's highest level of education completed is grade school), the vote is consistently 75/25, sometimes as high as 85/15; which is a large make-up of inner city voters.

So I don't know where you get your numbers, and how they're defined, but it's clear that the democratic vote has always been dependent on the poor, the uneducated. To suggest that Trump is stealing what should always be a democratic staple is ludicrous.

I think you must be missing something. Because you're way off.

In 2012 voters with only a hs education were 51/48 for Obama. Some college was 49/48. And that was 50% of the voting population.

In 2004 when Bush won, only a hs education was 52/47 Bush, some college was 54/46 Bush.

I don't know where you're getting your information. Uneducated white males is pretty much the biggest demographic the Republicans have and have had for a long time. It's just, they've also carried the white educated male vote also.

[jarrodsalas]

Such astounding minds voting for Hillary.

Why?

"Because she's a woman"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf7MR0f4XDI

Is this the definition of educated?

[pgisback]

Originally Posted by jarrodsalas

Such astounding minds voting for Hillary.

Why?

"Because she's a woman"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf7MR0f4XDI

Is this the definition of educated?

The definition of uneducated would be someone that posts a random youtube video to represent a population.

[CoolG]

Originally Posted by pgisback

I think you must be missing something. Because you're way off.

In 2012 voters with only a hs education were 51/48 for Obama. Some college was 49/48. And that was 50% of the voting population.

In 2004 when Bush won, only a hs education was 52/47 Bush, some college was 54/46 Bush.

I don't know where you're getting your information. Uneducated white males is pretty much the biggest demographic the Republicans have and have had for a long time. It's just, they've also carried the white educated male vote also.

Obama garnered almost 70% of the high school drop out rate in 2012

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by pgisback

I think you must be missing something. Because you're way off.

In 2012 voters with only a hs education were 51/48 for Obama. Some college was 49/48. And that was 50% of the voting population.

In 2004 when Bush won, only a hs education was 52/47 Bush, some college was 54/46 Bush.

I don't know where you're getting your information. Uneducated white males is pretty much the biggest demographic the Republicans have and have had for a long time. It's just, they've also carried the white educated male vote also.

Well there's the difference. People with a high school education ... I don't define those people as un-educated. I live in a very large Italian family, and if that's your definition, my family is 80% uneducated (although they all graduated from high school).

I consider uneducated to be no HS. And my arguments reflect that (as does inner city population).

[cruiserdaddy7]

Originally Posted by jarrodsalas

Such astounding minds voting for Hillary.

Why?

"Because she's a woman"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf7MR0f4XDI

Is this the definition of educated?

And Obama got in because he was black. Just check the statistics. Yet somehow it's the whites that are racists?

[pgisback]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Well there's the difference. People with a high school education ... I don't define those people as un-educated. I live in a very large Italian family, and if that's your definition, my family is 80% uneducated (although they all graduated from high school).

I consider uneducated to be no HS. And my arguments reflect that (as does inner city population).

In 2004 when Bush won, he lost the "no-hs" education vote 49/50. And that vote was 4% of the voting population. Pretty much meaningless. Come on now, it's common knowledge the more educated people get the more "liberal" they get. Republicans biggest and most influential voting block is uneducated white males by far. And they have dominated that block for a long time. Only difference is this year, how much the white educated vote is flocking to the Dems and how large of a gap there is between the uneducated vote.

And no, educated is people with a 4 year degree or higher. Having a hs education is not being educated. Your numbers and logic are way off.

[corndog]

Originally Posted by pgisback

In 2004 when Bush won, he lost the "no-hs" education vote 49/50. And that vote was 4% of the voting population. Pretty much meaningless. Come on now, it's common knowledge the more educated people get the more "liberal" they get. Republicans biggest and most influential voting block is uneducated white males by far. And they have dominated that block for a long time. Only difference is this year, how much the white educated vote is flocking to the Dems and how large of a gap there is between the uneducated vote.

And no, educated is people with a 4 year degree or higher. Having a hs education is not being educated. Your numbers and logic are way off.

It's also common knowledge that Democrat voters like to hear the word "free".

[xavieronly1]

Talk about a group of people who only have a HS degree to be part of the educated group which includes PHd.

This has to be a joke. You might as well just say that 1st grader is educated.

[pgisback]

Originally Posted by CoolG

Obama garnered almost 70% of the high school drop out rate in 2012

High school drop outs in 2012 were 3% of the voters. You could eliminate that demographic all together and Obama still would have won. Come on now, you guys got to be smarter than this. This is very easy information to get and understand.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by xavieronly1

Talk about a group of people who only have a HS degree to be part of the educated group which includes PHd.

This has to be a joke. You might as well just say that 1st grader is educated.

No not a joke. For decades, educated meant high school simply because the majority of the population never went to college. My own personal experience, n a family of smart, non college graduates; I went to U of Miami and spent four years on a prob / stats degree, and I learned absolutely nothing. Worst decision of my life, always will be (hopefully).

[xavieronly1]

Originally Posted by cruiserdaddy7

And Obama got in because he was black. Just check the statistics. Yet somehow it's the whites that are racists?

Black voter love dem. check the history. You can ask a Rep to get a black candidate in 2020 and see if he/she can pull out 90% of the black voters.

[jarrodsalas]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

No not a joke. For decades, educated meant high school simply because the majority of the population never went to college. My own personal experience, n a family of smart, non college graduates; I went to U of Miami and spent four years on a prob / stats degree, and I learned absolutely nothing. Worst decision of my life, always will be (hopefully).

Here's a good reddit link from 2014 following what you are saying. I'll add a good quote that is fitting here.

"Here's some more info to have fun with. We all know that /r/politics loves to call conservative voters dumb, or uneducated, or unintelligent. Presenting yourself as intellectually superior to those who think differently than you do, and even actively building the "dumb conservative" strawman, is what the drones in here thrive on. It creates the foundation for their feelings of ideological superiority and allows them to ignore any criticism or opposition as being leveled by "those idiots". So, let's have some fun, shall we?"


https://www.reddit.com/r/Conservativ...vote_democrat/

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by corndog

It's also common knowledge that Democrat voters like to hear the word "free".

Well sure, there's "freedom of the press", "free enterprise", the freedom to marry who you love, all of these things we advocate. It goes on and on, really. Being free is a big deal to Progressives. That why we do the work of dragging the Neanderthals along with us. No problem. We're up to it, and they'll understand eventually. We also have a lot of faith in people.

[pgisback]

Originally Posted by xavieronly1

Black voter love dem. check the history. You can ask a Rep to get a black candidate in 2020 and see if he/she can pull out 90% of the black voters.

Yea, it's hilarious how they make up this excuse. That Obama won because he was black. It's not even remotely true.

Obama won the black vote 93/7 in 2012 and the black vote was 13% of the voting population

John Kerry, the whitest dude you'll meet, won the black vote 88/12 in 2004 and the black vote was 11% of the voting population.

Not nearly the disparity they act like there was.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by jarrodsalas

Here's a good reddit link from 2014 following what you are saying. I'll add a good quote that is fitting here.

"Here's some more info to have fun with. We all know that /r/politics loves to call conservative voters dumb, or uneducated, or unintelligent. Presenting yourself as intellectually superior to those who think differently than you do, and even actively building the "dumb conservative" strawman, is what the drones in here thrive on. It creates the foundation for their feelings of ideological superiority and allows them to ignore any criticism or opposition as being leveled by "those idiots". So, let's have some fun, shall we?"


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Obviously those "strawman" are real. They post here regularly.

[xavieronly1]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

No not a joke. For decades, educated meant high school simply because the majority of the population never went to college. My own personal experience, n a family of smart, non college graduates; I went to U of Miami and spent four years on a prob / stats degree, and I learned absolutely nothing. Worst decision of my life, always will be (hopefully).

Sure. Blame the college. Blame the system. Just don't blame yourself for not studying hard.

If you want to work in a field of stat/prob, you need a degree. In fact, you need at least a master degree. You chose the wrong major and you just blame the system. You need to work on it. People don't feed you in college.