2024 MVPs / CY Youngs - Page 14

ironfireman · 08-25-2024, 05:33 AM

Lindor is working his way into the NL MVP picture.
I'd still put Ohtani a ways ahead with the 40/40 season but Lindor has him by .2 in fWAR (.7 behind in bWAR).
Another problem is Lindor is still hitting .269. I know batting avg aint what it used to be but Ohtani himself is the only player to win an MVP hitting below .270 - 2cnd is Maris's .270 in '61.
I'd think Lindor needs a 1 WAR lead at the finish to be 30/30+ get well above .270 and maybe thhelp the Mets sneak into the playoffs - or if Ohtani gets hurt or something. Lindor had made a conversation of it. And I'd guess there are voters will ding Ohtani for DH and maybe even a few who might ding him for the preseason gambling drama.

marl1220 · 08-25-2024, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

Red Sox fan here. He’s likely gassed.

It wouldn't surprise me. He's at 147 innings, and he hasn't pitched more than that since 2018.

KhalDrogo · 08-25-2024, 02:56 PM

Judge is coming for the triple crown. Only 13 point separating him and Bobby.

blackbears86 · 08-25-2024, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Judge is coming for the triple crown. Only 13 point separating him and Bobby.

Another very impressive day

55 homers before September? He's got a week to do it.

JRX · 08-26-2024, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ironfireman

Lindor is working his way into the NL MVP picture.
I'd still put Ohtani a ways ahead with the 40/40 season but Lindor has him by .2 in fWAR (.7 behind in bWAR).
Another problem is Lindor is still hitting .269. I know batting avg aint what it used to be but Ohtani himself is the only player to win an MVP hitting below .270 - 2cnd is Maris's .270 in '61.
I'd think Lindor needs a 1 WAR lead at the finish to be 30/30+ get well above .270 and maybe thhelp the Mets sneak into the playoffs - or if Ohtani gets hurt or something. Lindor had made a conversation of it. And I'd guess there are voters will ding Ohtani for DH and maybe even a few who might ding him for the preseason gambling drama.

Lindor will likely lead the NL in fwar, but to even be considered the Mets need to make the playoffs and even then his offensive numbers are so far behind Ohtani. Defense makes it way into war calcs, but mvps usually go to whoever has the best offensive stats.

awz50 · 08-26-2024, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JWBlue

Big start for Sale coming up at @PHI. The Phils are #1 in WRC+ vs LHP. Sale hasn't been dominant the last two starts. Velocity has been there but not command.

Curious if was a bump in the road or he is gassed.

Ah yes this is the Sale I remember

awz50 · 08-26-2024, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Judge is coming for the triple crown. Only 13 point separating him and Bobby.

Just when I think Judge will slow down, he does the opposite. He truly is a mind-blowing player and one I feel like I have not fully given credit to before this year.

JRX · 08-26-2024, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by awz50

Just when I think Judge will slow down, he does the opposite. He truly is a mind-blowing player and one I feel like I have not fully given credit to before this year.

I think this year really cements his legacy. He does it once, ok its a career year. Stanton hit 59 one year after all. Now that Judge has done this a second time, he really enters a whole new tier.

whitmm · 08-26-2024, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JWBlue

Big start for Sale coming up at @PHI. The Phils are #1 in WRC+ vs LHP. Sale hasn't been dominant the last two starts. Velocity has been there but not command.

Curious if was a bump in the road or he is gassed.

Sale is slated to start game 3 of the Minnesota series and miss the Philly series.

His last start he gave up two runs. This is how it happened. Slow chopper down the third base line with Urshela playing deep. Followed by a weakly hit ground rule double where Soler, still nursing his hamstring, jogged over and literally pulled up and watched it fit well in fair territory. Followed by a pitch he put off the plate outside that the hitter was able to poke into left center. He pitched better than what the stat line suggested.

SleepyWill · 08-26-2024, 02:25 PM

Ohtani has been carrying the Dodgers this season.

Lindor has been a nice story but he' splaying for a volatile franchise that just can't find its way.

Tim · 08-26-2024, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ironfireman

Ohtani himself is the only player to win an MVP hitting below .270

Um, he was also a top tier starting pitcher that year.

JustinVerlander07 · 08-26-2024, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SleepyWill

Ohtani has been carrying the Dodgers this season.

Lindor has been a nice story but he' splaying for a volatile franchise that just can't find its way.

So no on Lindor because of the franchise he plays for. One of the most hilarious narratives yet!

(I don't actually care who wins I only care about objectivity which you clearly do not have)

eastbayak · 08-26-2024, 04:52 PM

Judge and Witt are having some monster seasons, sucks to know that one of them (right now, Witt) won't win MVP.

Boo · 08-26-2024, 06:59 PM

Judge sucks at defense, Witt should win.

cnewby · 08-26-2024, 07:01 PM

"Below average CFer"

fulltritty · 08-26-2024, 07:04 PM

Anyone could have robbed that home run and turned it into a double play.

JustinVerlander07 · 08-26-2024, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by cnewby

"Below average CFer"

Blow your load too early?

cnewby · 08-26-2024, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Blow your load too early?

Get your cnewby fathead yet?

JustinVerlander07 · 08-26-2024, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by cnewby

Get your cnewby fathead yet?

Are we agreeing that you have a large head?

cnewby · 08-26-2024, 07:20 PM

SleepyWill · 08-27-2024, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

So no on Lindor because of the franchise he plays for. One of the most hilarious narratives yet!

(I don't actually care who wins I only care about objectivity which you clearly do not have)

I'm just arguing that the likes of Ohtani, Marte, and Ozuna have done/meant more for their respected teams all year then Lindor.

It's most valuable player. The three above have carried their teams more than Lindor all season.

rfgilles · 08-27-2024, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by SleepyWill

I'm just arguing that the likes of Ohtani, Marte, and Ozuna have done/meant more for their respected teams all year then Lindor.

It's most valuable player. The three above have carried their teams more than Lindor all season.

The Mets are 3 games behind the Braves for the last wild card spot. Where would they be without Lindor's offense and defense?

whitmm · 08-27-2024, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by SleepyWill

I'm just arguing that the likes of Ohtani, Marte, and Ozuna have done/meant more for their respected teams all year then Lindor.

It's most valuable player. The three above have carried their teams more than Lindor all season.

If team record meant anything anymore, Mike Trout would only have 1 MVP instead of 3.

ScooterD · 08-27-2024, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by rfgilles

The Mets are 3 games behind the Braves for the last wild card spot. Where would they be without Lindor's offense and defense?

Honest question - Are the Braves minus Ozuna that much better than the Mets without Lindor this season?

SleepyWill · 08-27-2024, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by rfgilles

The Mets are 3 games behind the Braves for the last wild card spot. Where would they be without Lindor's offense and defense?

Ozuna has carried the team this year after losing Acuna, Albies, Riley, etc. The team has played well this months all things considered.

Again, the Mets have never taken off this season really. This isn't due to critical injuries within the batting order, just lack of urgency and likely leadership at times.

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ironfireman Member Join Date: Aug 2022 Location: Western NC, USA Posts: 541 vintagebosko Ironfireman	Lindor is working his way into the NL MVP picture. I'd still put Ohtani a ways ahead with the 40/40 season but Lindor has him by .2 in fWAR (.7 behind in bWAR). Another problem is Lindor is still hitting .269. I know batting avg aint what it used to be but Ohtani himself is the only player to win an MVP hitting below .270 - 2cnd is Maris's .270 in '61. I'd think Lindor needs a 1 WAR lead at the finish to be 30/30+ get well above .270 and maybe thhelp the Mets sneak into the playoffs - or if Ohtani gets hurt or something. Lindor had made a conversation of it. And I'd guess there are voters will ding Ohtani for DH and maybe even a few who might ding him for the preseason gambling drama.

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eastbayak Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 17,630 eastbayak	Judge and Witt are having some monster seasons, sucks to know that one of them (right now, Witt) won't win MVP.

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