Clayton Kershaw - Will a dominant postseason do much to his hobby value? - Page 14

rman112 · 10-22-2020, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Very bizarre, doesn't matter what thread it is, he always has to be a contrarian, always has bad takes. Always moves the goal posts when he's wrong.

1. I didn't offer any opinions/takes that I don't genuinely have.
2. Saying that Kershaw has not been good in the playoffs is not even close to a contrarian take.
3. What am I wrong about here?
4. What goal posts have been moved in regards to one, or both, of these pitchers?

towerymt · 10-22-2020, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 2010GBPackers

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Originally Posted by towerymt

Why is he giving up more home runs? Solve that problem.

Poor command/location? Hanging cement mixers? Loss of velo (fatigue?)? Poor luck (what's the xAVG/xSLG on those dingers?)? Facing better lineups that just hit better than the average team? Is he giving up higher exit velo or more barrels during the post season? Why???

I'd say that it's the opposite of the reason in bold. He has always been a pitcher who pounds the strike zone, especially with nobody on base; always has - (Top 10 K : Walk ratio all-time). Obviously, he's spun a mixer in there and hung a curve that got blasted out, but every pitcher has that happen. When you attack the zone that much, you're going to get tagged.

You've missed the point, which is that his numbers are largely the same between career and post season except his home run rate is double.

Fangraphs doesn't show me his post season Zone%, but his K% is pretty close and his BB% is pretty close, and therefore his K-BB% is nearly the same (21.1% career vs. 20.7% postseason K-BB%)

Pounding the zone doesn't explain the increase him homers only during the post season.

I don't know the answer, or if there is one. But it certainly has a big impact on the outcome of his pitching performances.

Nostalgia · 10-24-2020, 11:37 PM

Well well well....tomorrow will be fun!

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kidfan9 · 10-25-2020, 12:14 AM

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Well well well....tomorrow will be fun!

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yep, he has a change to reverse a lot of bad feelings and put the Dodgers one game from winning the WS or cement his legacy as a great regular season pitcher and a less than good post season pitcher.

Archangel1775 · 10-25-2020, 02:53 AM

No pressure, no doubt

https://youtu.be/gp_4-JhkX9I

JustinVerlander07 · 10-25-2020, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by kidfan9

yep, he has a change to reverse a lot of bad feelings and put the Dodgers one game from winning the WS or cement his legacy as a great regular season pitcher and a less than good post season pitcher.

So with this (awful) logic. He goes 8 innings 1 run 14 Ks and Dodgers lose 1-0 that means the latter of your scenario, correct?

NeedChapmans · 10-25-2020, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

So with this (awful) logic. He goes 8 innings 1 run 14 Ks and Dodgers lose 1-0 that means the latter of your scenario, correct?

Correct. If the Dodgers don't win the WS, no matter how well Kershaw pitches, the narrative will not change.

wharfrat7624 · 10-25-2020, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Correct. If the Dodgers don't win the WS, no matter how well Kershaw pitches, the narrative will not change.

Oy vey

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wharfrat7624 · 10-25-2020, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Correct. If the Dodgers don't win the WS, no matter how well Kershaw pitches, the narrative will not change.

You must think Ted Williams’s, Ty Cobb, Ken Griffey Jr and other suck too right?

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...d-series-title

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base set · 10-25-2020, 09:18 AM

I have always figured that pitching at an Elite level in the 7th month of a season, after 30+ starts, is an extra layer of challenge for any Pitcher, and that October is more challenging for Pitchers than Hitters. So this should be the year for Kersh.

In October you also don’t play sub-.500 teams any more. But I never see Pitching stats correlated to opponent offensive skill even in the Data Mining Age of Baseball. How many Pitchers produce glittering stat lines against only 1st Place teams?

But without Elite regular season pitching, your team doesn’t get to play in October.

NeedChapmans · 10-25-2020, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by wharfrat7624

You must think Ted Williams’s, Ty Cobb, Ken Griffey Jr and other suck too right?

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...d-series-title

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No. I do not. Your point is invalid because those players were not known as chokers in the post-season. The narrative was never written.

You can't overcome it unless you win. Period.

wharfrat7624 · 10-25-2020, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

No. I do not. Your point is invalid because those players were not known as chokers in the post-season. The narrative was never written.

You can't overcome it unless you win. Period.

What are your thoughts on Aroldis Chapman?

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2010GBPackers · 10-25-2020, 11:58 AM

Insecure people need someone to feel better than.

Shinypsptitans · 10-25-2020, 12:48 PM

Really a shame LAD lost last night. Would've been nice to see Kershaw pitch the potential World Series winner.

2infinitybeyond · 10-25-2020, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Shinypsptitans

Really a shame LAD lost last night. Would've been nice to see Kershaw pitch the potential World Series winner.

I was so prepared to call in sick from work just to watch it all. Now I'm at work trying not to think about it all (clearly failing).

Trying not to think about 2013/2014 ish series against the Cards. When LA had no bullpen and Kershaw was always left in too long......

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pspa123 · 10-25-2020, 02:57 PM

Only the biggest game of his life to date. No pressure on Clay now.

NeedChapmans · 10-25-2020, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by wharfrat7624

What are your thoughts on Aroldis Chapman?

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Start a Chapman thread, and I'll let you know!

JustinVerlander07 · 10-25-2020, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Correct. If the Dodgers don't win the WS, no matter how well Kershaw pitches, the narrative will not change.

You do realize the lunacy of a take like that, right?

Nostalgia · 10-25-2020, 08:25 PM

Got out of it...but not being dominant.

NeedChapmans · 10-25-2020, 08:28 PM

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You do realize the lunacy of a take like that, right?

No. You can't break the narrative of being a loser unless you stop being a loser.

Kershaw refuses.

Nostalgia · 10-25-2020, 08:52 PM

Houdini act.

JustinVerlander07 · 10-25-2020, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

No. You can't break the narrative of being a loser unless you stop being a loser.

Kershaw refuses.

You've had some takes that are something....This one takes the cake.

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Originally Posted by Nostalgia

Houdini act.

The inning before a 10 foot dribbler led to runs being scored.

NeedChapmans · 10-25-2020, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

You've had some takes that are something....This one takes the cake.

What can I say, I'm amazing.

pspa123 · 10-25-2020, 09:14 PM

He is barely hitting 90 with his fastball, he's bouncing his slider, and he cruised through the 5th lol.

Vegas Cards · 10-25-2020, 09:16 PM

Did Kershaw tie Verlander for most postseason strikeouts? I know he was close and tonight he's added six so far.

10-25-2020, 02:53 AM	#330
Archangel1775 Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Cali baby! Posts: 21,603	No pressure, no doubt https://youtu.be/gp_4-JhkX9I __________________ *There are the intangibles that set someone apart from the pack.So the blur isn't your inability to see his greatness, it's merely the inability to measure it.* Last edited by Archangel1775; 10-25-2020 at 02:57 AM.

10-25-2020, 02:57 PM	#341
pspa123 Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 3,674	Only the biggest game of his life to date. No pressure on Clay now. __________________ "We will control the horizontal. We will control the vertical. We can roll the image, make it flutter. We can change the focus to a soft blur, or sharpen it to crystal clarity." Opening narration, The Outer Limits.

10-25-2020, 09:14 PM	#349
pspa123 Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 3,674	He is barely hitting 90 with his fastball, he's bouncing his slider, and he cruised through the 5th lol. __________________ "We will control the horizontal. We will control the vertical. We can roll the image, make it flutter. We can change the focus to a soft blur, or sharpen it to crystal clarity." Opening narration, The Outer Limits.

10-24-2020, 11:37 PM	#328
Nostalgia Member Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: New York Posts: 1,756	Well well well....tomorrow will be fun! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

10-25-2020, 09:18 AM	#335
base set Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: NW Michigan Posts: 9,358	I have always figured that pitching at an Elite level in the 7th month of a season, after 30+ starts, is an extra layer of challenge for any Pitcher, and that October is more challenging for Pitchers than Hitters. So this should be the year for Kersh. In October you also don’t play sub-.500 teams any more. But I never see Pitching stats correlated to opponent offensive skill even in the Data Mining Age of Baseball. How many Pitchers produce glittering stat lines against only 1st Place teams? But without Elite regular season pitching, your team doesn’t get to play in October.

10-25-2020, 11:58 AM	#338
2010GBPackers Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Milwaukee Posts: 4,132	Insecure people need someone to feel better than.

10-25-2020, 12:48 PM	#339
Shinypsptitans Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 3,821	Really a shame LAD lost last night. Would've been nice to see Kershaw pitch the potential World Series winner.

10-25-2020, 08:25 PM	#344
Nostalgia Member Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: New York Posts: 1,756	Got out of it...but not being dominant.

10-25-2020, 08:52 PM	#346
Nostalgia Member Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: New York Posts: 1,756	Houdini act.

10-25-2020, 09:16 PM	#350
Vegas Cards Member Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: Los Angeles, Ca Posts: 147 CSRT8	Did Kershaw tie Verlander for most postseason strikeouts? I know he was close and tonight he's added six so far.