✹The PERENNIAL Shohei Ohtani Thread✹ - Page 14

speedyjg13 · 08-02-2020, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by IntergalacticSp

Please don't be a torn UCL. Can 2020 get any worse?

It can if he needs to have surgery on it

anusinha · 08-02-2020, 09:30 PM

Convert him to a 1b, ill take him over Pujols there

rman112 · 08-02-2020, 09:31 PM

The faster they can decide on him doing one or the other, the better off he'll be.

Giancarlo27 · 08-02-2020, 09:32 PM

Very sad to see this. He is so incredibly talented. But this feels like the end of the two-way experiment. A second TJ would be absolutely devastating. Another case of "what if?"

Trueblue · 08-02-2020, 09:37 PM

UCL ligaments don't just randomly tear, guys. It has happened, but it's a new ligament from a surgery he got two years ago. The discomforts is concerning but running around pretending like you what's best for him is just assinine. You guys are better than this.

speedyjg13 · 08-02-2020, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Giancarlo27

Very sad to see this. He is so incredibly talented. But this feels like the end of the two-way experiment. A second TJ would be absolutely devastating. Another case of "what if?"

I call this.....the luck of the Angels.

rman112 · 08-02-2020, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Trueblue

UCL ligaments don't just randomly tear, guys. It has happened, but it's a new ligament from a surgery he got two years ago. The discomforts is concerning but running around pretending like you what's best for him is just assinine. You guys are better than this.

I don't get it. He's been awful after TJ, he said he has discomfort now, and is going for an MRI.

speedyjg13 · 08-02-2020, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Trueblue

UCL ligaments don't just randomly tear, guys. It has happened, but it's a new ligament from a surgery he got two years ago. The discomforts is concerning but running around pretending like you what's best for him is just assinine. You guys are better than this.

They got him as a pitcher and a batter. I say they throw him into the fire and make him pitch and bat, just like the original plan.

No need to Mickey Mouse and have him do odds and ends and play random positions. Pitch and DH.

Trueblue · 08-02-2020, 09:41 PM

It is well documented that pitchers returning from TJS have control issues before regaining feel. He also threw 40+ pitches in an inning on a day 90+ degrees. It could be anything.

And for the record, I'm +1 for scaling him back as a pitcher for 2020. He isn't effective.

JPWisco · 08-02-2020, 09:42 PM

Unfortunate development. Drop in velocity combined with needing an MRI for discomfort is very ominous... It looks like this is only heading one way.

Even in the off chance that he is fine he should simply be shut down as a pitcher (again). He can still bat if it is the same as last year. The pitching elbow ligament issue does not affect his batting.

It seems the time has come to make him a full time position player. He played outfield in Japan, that is where he should be. It is a shame because while he is a good slugger, he is an electric pitcher when he fully healthy and on..

But we'll see.

rman112 · 08-02-2020, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JPWisco

Unfortunate development. Drop in velocity combined with needing an MRI for discomfort is very ominous... It looks like this is only heading one way.

Even in the off chance that he is fine he should simply be shut down as a pitcher (again). He can still bat if it is the same as last year. The pitching elbow ligament issue does not effect his batting.

It seems the time has come to make him a full time position player. He played outfield in Japan, that is where he should be. It is a shame because while he is a good slugger, he is an electric pitcher when he fully healthy and on..

But we'll see.

The problem is that is if he has to have some other surgery done on his arm, he can't hit or play the field, either.

Vdm2018 · 08-02-2020, 09:44 PM

Hobby-wise, it’s not lookin good. You guys view it as a discount if they sell... I don’t see it as a discount cause no way he is coming back to where he used to be in 2018.

Anyway, He was an amazing 2-ways player but have injury (s) every year. Best of luck to him

Giancarlo27 · 08-02-2020, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Vdm2018

Hobby-wise, it’s not lookin good. You guys view it as a discount if they sell... I don’t see it as a discount cause no way he is coming back to where he used to be in 2018.

Anyway, He was an amazing 2-ways player but have injury (s) every year. Best of luck to him

Yes, i don't see prices ever returning to 2018 levels. If he gets a second TJ, they may plummet. But we will always have memories of 2018, he was so fun to watch.

majestik101 · 08-02-2020, 10:40 PM

Early reports indicate possible torn rotator cuff

If true, that could mean not only the end of the season, but possibly a career ender.

Halonut · 08-02-2020, 10:42 PM

This development is concerning but there is an off chance that it is a way to explain away his early troubles, back him off and allow him to clear his head. He appeared to be fine physically today but he appears to have a case of the yips.

JPWisco · 08-02-2020, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by rman112

The problem is that is if he has to have some other surgery done on his arm, he can't hit or play the field, either.

If it is just his elbow again he could probably still hit. That's what he did in 2019. But yes you are right, fielding would be out.

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Originally Posted by majestik101

Early reports indicate possible torn rotator cuff

If true, that could mean not only the end of the season, but possibly a career ender.

Source? I can't find anything on this, not even a murmur.

speedyjg13 · 08-02-2020, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by majestik101

Early reports indicate possible torn rotator cuff

If true, that could mean not only the end of the season, but possibly a career ender.

Oh my!

What's your source?

majestik101 · 08-02-2020, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by speedyjg13

Oh my!

What's your source?

Something I saw on reddit

Could be something or nothing. Lots of people reading into the tea leaves right now

The grunts after every pitch should've tipped off the coaching staff that something wasn't right

PejaD · 08-02-2020, 11:24 PM

His velocity was actually better than his last start in Oakland. His four-seamer was 95-96 until the last batter he faced. It dropped to 89 on all three four-seamers he threw to Springer! Assuming statcast is correct, the drop in velo sounds like a shoulder/rotator cuff problem.

Babe Ruth gave up pitching in his mid 20's. Shohei should do the same.

JPWisco · 08-02-2020, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by PejaD

His velocity was actually better than his last start in Oakland. His four-seamer was 95-96 until the last batter he faced. It dropped to 89 on all three four-seamers he threw to Springer! Assuming statcast is correct, the drop in velo sounds like a shoulder/rotator cuff problem.

Babe Ruth gave up pitching in his mid 20's. Shohei should do the same.

The sudden drop in velocity was a hallmark of his two starts in 2018 after which he was shut down. So it could be an elbow issue again.

anusinha · 08-03-2020, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by JPWisco

The sudden drop in velocity was a hallmark of his two starts in 2018 after which he was shut down. So it could be an elbow issue again.

They said he was getting an elbow MRI not a shoulder MRI

richo · 08-03-2020, 11:15 AM

Felt for Ohtani last night. Good first innings, and nearly got through the second if not for an incredibly tough call.

toade · 08-03-2020, 06:43 PM

According to the LA Times, he will not go on the injured list, and it looks like he is traveling with the team to Seattle, where he is expected to DH.

What's not yet known is the results of the MRI, and whether he will pitch again.

speedyjg13 · 08-03-2020, 06:43 PM

Per the Angels website

"Shohei Ohtani has been diagnosed with grade 1-2 strain of the flexor pronator mass.

A general timetable for beginning a throwing progression following this injury is 4-6 weeks.

He is traveling with the team to Seattle and his status as DH is day-to-day."

redsteel · 08-03-2020, 06:51 PM

Jeff Passan with more detail:
https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/statu...33232652165120
Layman's term: Shohei Ohtani has a forearm strain.

The forearm muscles are vital to pitchers. In the best cases, they absorb a significant portion of the force when a pitcher throws. If the forearm isn't working properly, force gets distributed disproportionately to the elbow.

There is a big difference between a Grade 1 and 2 strain. Strain = tear. Grade 1 is a slight tear with minimal issues. Grade 2 is much more significant -- the sort of thing that is concerning and problematic. Grade 3 is a complete tear of the muscle that always requires surgery.

Honestly just happy it's not a second TJ

08-02-2020, 09:32 PM	#329
Giancarlo27 Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: NYC Posts: 11,160	Very sad to see this. He is so incredibly talented. But this feels like the end of the two-way experiment. A second TJ would be absolutely devastating. Another case of "what if?" __________________ Collecting: Giancarlo Stanton, Sandy Koufax, Hideki Matsui, Topps Archives Autographs

08-02-2020, 09:41 PM	#334
Trueblue Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: socal Posts: 6,310	It is well documented that pitchers returning from TJS have control issues before regaining feel. He also threw 40+ pitches in an inning on a day 90+ degrees. It could be anything. And for the record, I'm +1 for scaling him back as a pitcher for 2020. He isn't effective. Last edited by Trueblue; 08-02-2020 at 09:43 PM.

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majestik101 Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Socially Distanced Posts: 42,267 majestik101	Early reports indicate possible torn rotator cuff If true, that could mean not only the end of the season, but possibly a career ender. __________________ "Watson alone sells for over $20" https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1182760 Last edited by majestik101; 08-02-2020 at 10:42 PM.

08-03-2020, 06:43 PM	#349
speedyjg13 Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 17,138	Per the Angels website "Shohei Ohtani has been diagnosed with grade 1-2 strain of the flexor pronator mass. A general timetable for beginning a throwing progression following this injury is 4-6 weeks. He is traveling with the team to Seattle and his status as DH is day-to-day." __________________ Current PC: Mike Trout Prior PC: David Fletcher & Jered Weaver https://www.flickr.com/photos/speedyjg13/albums

08-02-2020, 09:30 PM	#327
anusinha Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 13,410	Convert him to a 1b, ill take him over Pujols there

08-02-2020, 09:31 PM	#328
rman112 Banned Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Freedom is Free Again Posts: 40,946	The faster they can decide on him doing one or the other, the better off he'll be.

08-02-2020, 09:37 PM	#330
Trueblue Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: socal Posts: 6,310	UCL ligaments don't just randomly tear, guys. It has happened, but it's a new ligament from a surgery he got two years ago. The discomforts is concerning but running around pretending like you what's best for him is just assinine. You guys are better than this.

08-02-2020, 09:42 PM	#335
JPWisco Member Join Date: Mar 2020 Posts: 191	Unfortunate development. Drop in velocity combined with needing an MRI for discomfort is very ominous... It looks like this is only heading one way. Even in the off chance that he is fine he should simply be shut down as a pitcher (again). He can still bat if it is the same as last year. The pitching elbow ligament issue does not affect his batting. It seems the time has come to make him a full time position player. He played outfield in Japan, that is where he should be. It is a shame because while he is a good slugger, he is an electric pitcher when he fully healthy and on.. But we'll see.

08-02-2020, 09:44 PM	#337
Vdm2018 Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: New York Posts: 2,045 Vqle280z	Hobby-wise, it’s not lookin good. You guys view it as a discount if they sell... I don’t see it as a discount cause no way he is coming back to where he used to be in 2018. Anyway, He was an amazing 2-ways player but have injury (s) every year. Best of luck to him

08-02-2020, 10:42 PM	#340
Halonut Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 1,905 gohalos!!!	This development is concerning but there is an off chance that it is a way to explain away his early troubles, back him off and allow him to clear his head. He appeared to be fine physically today but he appears to have a case of the yips.

08-02-2020, 11:24 PM	#344
PejaD Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 4,064	His velocity was actually better than his last start in Oakland. His four-seamer was 95-96 until the last batter he faced. It dropped to 89 on all three four-seamers he threw to Springer! Assuming statcast is correct, the drop in velo sounds like a shoulder/rotator cuff problem. Babe Ruth gave up pitching in his mid 20's. Shohei should do the same.

08-03-2020, 11:15 AM	#347
richo Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: UK Posts: 2,236	Felt for Ohtani last night. Good first innings, and nearly got through the second if not for an incredibly tough call.

08-03-2020, 06:43 PM	#348
toade Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 524 sbdavid	According to the LA Times, he will not go on the injured list, and it looks like he is traveling with the team to Seattle, where he is expected to DH. What's not yet known is the results of the MRI, and whether he will pitch again.

08-03-2020, 06:51 PM	#350
redsteel Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 33	Jeff Passan with more detail: https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/statu...33232652165120 Layman's term: Shohei Ohtani has a forearm strain. The forearm muscles are vital to pitchers. In the best cases, they absorb a significant portion of the force when a pitcher throws. If the forearm isn't working properly, force gets distributed disproportionately to the elbow. There is a big difference between a Grade 1 and 2 strain. Strain = tear. Grade 1 is a slight tear with minimal issues. Grade 2 is much more significant -- the sort of thing that is concerning and problematic. Grade 3 is a complete tear of the muscle that always requires surgery. Honestly just happy it's not a second TJ