Topps 582 Montgomery Club

[JRX]

Originally Posted by hotcalsun

That's my entire point - most rookie patch autos are not from a real game yet go for 10x what it would cost to get an actual authenticated jersey that is signed by a player.

Look at the stupid triple logoman for instance. You can get game used Lebron jerseys from all 3 teams he played for for 1/10th what that is going for.

For whatever reason people prefer the cards to the real thing. Some of it might have to do with storage and display, who knows.

You're saying vs "an authenticated jersey" where I'm saying an actual x-wing from episode IV is akin to a historically significant piece of memorabilia, not just any old jersey / bat / or glove. Would people want a card or say Jordan's shoes from game 6 in 98?

[hotcalsun]

Originally Posted by JRX

You're saying vs "an authenticated jersey" where I'm saying an actual x-wing from episode IV is akin to a historically significant piece of memorabilia, not just any old jersey / bat / or glove. Would people want a card or say Jordan's shoes from game 6 in 98?

Yes, you are literally saying the same thing as I am. And, I am saying people have been paying more for the card than they do for the Game 6 shoes / jersey / similar item of historical significance.

Example, one of Lebron's jersey from the NBA Finals sold for $100k. The triple logoman card is currently at $1.8M from jerseys of unknown origin.

People are voting with their dollars that they prefer the card over historically significant pieces of memorabilia.

[strider_boi]

If these hit 1k per...I'm going to have a good shopping spree at nationals!

[Tim]

Originally Posted by trendy26

I mean GPK makes no sense to be as high as it is. The singles have tanked in value and the Adam Bomb 1/1 has already been pulled. Not much upside from where the prices are at relative to what can be pulled. Yet people are paying high prices still.

The singles have not tanked. The AB 1 of 1 being pulled has 0 bearing on prices of sealed boxes. Like F1 sapphire, there's plenty of upside on gpk sapphire boxes due to all the color parallel possibilities.

[Archimedes]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

No Im against market manipulation. NBA Prizm FOTL wouldn't hit $350. But the floor should always be the MSRP. If the market has heated up so much why do I constantly see BO list a preview and see hobby boxes "once again" carry a suggested retail price the same as last year? Flawless NFL same MSRP as last year. Market manipulators pay around $1,400 for a box they presell for $12,000 before they even receive it in the mail. Not like this is only 1 product. It's hundreds upon hundreds for 2 1/2 years straight. Yet Im sure worthless 2022 Prizm Draft NFL retail blasters the MSRP will be raised from last year. It wouldn't sell at last years cost but yeah up the price.

I never thought Panini owed us FOTL at MSRP. The dutch auction system when not manipulated and MSRP floor is the most fair system out there.

The worst part about all the market manipulation is it's not like these people are starving or having a tough time getting by. Would it really kill them to only average making a couple times what they pay before even receiving product in the mail? Groups like BO could sell their entire allotment of boxes at actual market value and still make a killing 99 times out of 100. They could sell it all in days or at most weeks. But why do that when you can put up a market manipulated price? Make sure you screw every customer you can for every last penny.

Again, there's no such thing as MSRP for hobby formats. It's completely arbitrary. I'm not sure why you get so hung up on that, but you need to accept that supply/demand determine prices - not manufacturers' suggestions.

[robbucjr]

Originally Posted by oddstuff

If you can't tell by the replies to your post, paying expedited shipping usually doesn't mean a thing. Topps' shipping method is completely illogical. Hope it works out for you but don't count on getting the box faster than someone who paid the cheapest shipping.

Yes, I have already learned that the hard way early on in this process. The truth is ground shipping via Fedex from Florida to Maryland takes about 10 days at best and 14-15 sometimes. I also don't think that the prices are going to dip too much on this one once they are live.

[trendy26]

Originally Posted by Tim

The singles have not tanked. The AB 1 of 1 being pulled has 0 bearing on prices of sealed boxes. Like F1 sapphire, there's plenty of upside on gpk sapphire boxes due to all the color parallel possibilities.

The prices for a base Adam Bomb have surely tanked. They were well into the $200’s and now can be had around $60. Guess we have a difference in opinion on what “tanking” means.

How does the Adam Bomb 1/1 not have an impact? It’s the biggest chase card in the set that’s no longer available

[Pacmeyer]

Originally Posted by JRX

Most of that isn't actually worn from a game, they just throw on 50 jerseys at a time. I saw a lot of videos about auctions at propstore in la that just happened. They had an actual x-wing from episode 4 and yes I would much rather have that than any 1/1 topps prints.

What did the store have to prove it was real? So many items are fake which is a huge problem.

And you have the same game worn issue with props and costumes, meaning there may be no way to verify if an item was actually used on set or was one of the copies kept as backup.

[Jsquared123]

Originally Posted by trendy26

The prices for a base Adam Bomb have surely tanked. They were well into the $200’s and now can be had around $60. Guess we have a difference in opinion on what “tanking” means.

How does the Adam Bomb 1/1 not have an impact? It’s the biggest chase card in the set that’s no longer available

I think GPK is at the point where the sealed box is a commodity in itself. Not many people are buying these to rip. They're buying to hold so when sealed product dries up further, the actual ratio of unopened product to opened skyrockets. At this point in the product's life-cycle for lack of a better word, what's inside is almost irrelevant.

Similar concept where you see old packs of baseball cards from the 50s 60s and even 70s in some cases. 90% of people aren't buying to rip because the ROI is not there unless you're hitting a Mantle or whomever the chase RC is.. and you better hope its not dinged too badly or OC/Miscut.

[trendy26]

Originally Posted by Jsquared123

I think GPK is at the point where the sealed box is a commodity in itself. Not many people are buying these to rip. They're buying to hold so when sealed product dries up further, the actual ratio of unopened product to opened skyrockets. At this point in the product's life-cycle for lack of a better word, what's inside is almost irrelevant.

Similar concept where you see old packs of baseball cards from the 50s 60s and even 70s in some cases. 90% of people aren't buying to rip because the ROI is not there unless you're hitting a Mantle or whomever the chase RC is.. and you better hope its not dinged too badly or OC/Miscut.

That makes perfect sense. Very well articulated!

[JRX]

At least with RPAs there's some actual scarcity due to the autos less the patch, but for these its purely manufactured scarcity. Topps could produce 500k of each 1/1 if they so chose to do so and there's nothing preventing them from making more in the future. I'm sure they're working on another brand in addition to sapphire so they can reissue everything again.

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

No Im against market manipulation. NBA Prizm FOTL wouldn't hit $350. But the floor should always be the MSRP. If the market has heated up so much why do I constantly see BO list a preview and see hobby boxes "once again" carry a suggested retail price the same as last year? Flawless NFL same MSRP as last year. Market manipulators pay around $1,400 for a box they presell for $12,000 before they even receive it in the mail. Not like this is only 1 product. It's hundreds upon hundreds for 2 1/2 years straight. Yet Im sure worthless 2022 Prizm Draft NFL retail blasters the MSRP will be raised from last year. It wouldn't sell at last years cost but yeah up the price.

I never thought Panini owed us FOTL at MSRP. The dutch auction system when not manipulated and MSRP floor is the most fair system out there.

The worst part about all the market manipulation is it's not like these people are starving or having a tough time getting by. Would it really kill them to only average making a couple times what they pay before even receiving product in the mail? Groups like BO could sell their entire allotment of boxes at actual market value and still make a killing 99 times out of 100. They could sell it all in days or at most weeks. But why do that when you can put up a market manipulated price? Make sure you screw every customer you can for every last penny.

I agree the wax market is manipulated. I don't think anyone here is disagreeing with you.

Hate to break it to you, but most/all markets are manipulated. The more money to be made, the more manipulated it is.

I don't like it, but that's the unfortunate reality with the current system. The rich get richer. There's a reason. It's not necessarily because they're smarter than us (maybe in some cases they are). But a lot of times, we're playing darts and they're shooting fish in a barrel.

[Dbacksbaseball]

We’re still doing the ‘MSRP’ thing, aren’t we?

[hotcalsun]

Originally Posted by JRX

At least with RPAs there's some actual scarcity due to the autos less the patch, but for these its purely manufactured scarcity. Topps could produce 500k of each 1/1 if they so chose to do so and there's nothing preventing them from making more in the future. I'm sure they're working on another brand in addition to sapphire so they can reissue everything again.

Completely agree.

[nextlevel10]

Buyer beware, eBay seller “hype_magnet” cancelled my Star Wars Sapphire purchase from yesterday and has it relisted for $702obo now.

Because he selected “buyer asked to cancel transaction” as his cancellation reason, it does not allow me to leave him negative feedback for the transaction. I just got off the phone with eBay where I reported the seller and told them about that flaw in their system, but I figured buyers on here should know about the seller.

[HiddenFates]

Originally Posted by nextlevel10

Buyer beware, eBay seller “hype_magnet” cancelled my Star Wars Sapphire purchase from yesterday and has it relisted for $702obo now.

Because he selected “buyer asked to cancel transaction” as his cancellation reason, it does not allow me to leave him negative feedback for the transaction. I just got off the phone with eBay where I reported the seller and told them about that flaw in their system, but I figured buyers on here should know about the seller.

Honestly don't know why people do this. JUST LIST HIGH FROM THE GET GO. It's not that hard to see these were going way up. I know it's been a rough year for cards in general, but some people need their TMC access revoked if they couldn't see the demand here

[Peties Army]

Was going to rip…getting up the price I may not have an option

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by Archimedes

Again, there's no such thing as MSRP for hobby formats. It's completely arbitrary. I'm not sure why you get so hung up on that, but you need to accept that supply/demand determine prices - not manufacturers' suggestions.

What the hell are you talking about? There is MSRP for every single item. Do you even know what you're talking about? BO lists the MSRP price for almost every single Panini hobby product in their first look/first buzz.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

I agree the wax market is manipulated. I don't think anyone here is disagreeing with you.

Hate to break it to you, but most/all markets are manipulated. The more money to be made, the more manipulated it is.

I don't like it, but that's the unfortunate reality with the current system. The rich get richer. There's a reason. It's not necessarily because they're smarter than us (maybe in some cases they are). But a lot of times, we're playing darts and they're shooting fish in a barrel.

Are you reading Archimedes posts? He 100% is disagreeing with what Im saying lol. Actually claiming that MSRP doesn't exist. That supply and demand is determining prices. Yeah supply and determine determined 2021 Flawless Football hobby presell was $12,000. Supply and demand determined 2021-22 Prizm Basketball presell $1,900. Supply and demand determined 21-22 Noir basketball $3,500 presell. It has nothing whatsoever to do with supply and demand. With people so clueless its no wonder how this crap continues. I've gotten sign number about 1,000 why I need to stop posting on this board and give people their wish.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

What the hell are you talking about? There is MSRP for every single item. Do you even know what you're talking about? BO lists the MSRP price for almost every single Panini hobby product in their first look/first buzz.

In for a case.

[silverandblack]

Originally Posted by nextlevel10

Buyer beware, eBay seller “hype_magnet” cancelled my Star Wars Sapphire purchase from yesterday and has it relisted for $702obo now.

Because he selected “buyer asked to cancel transaction” as his cancellation reason, it does not allow me to leave him negative feedback for the transaction. I just got off the phone with eBay where I reported the seller and told them about that flaw in their system, but I figured buyers on here should know about the seller.

The name hype magnet would have scared me away.

[txrngr34]

Originally Posted by silverandblack

The name hype magnet would have scared me away.

Glad I wasn't the only one thinking that.

[BabaORiley]

Originally Posted by Peties Army

Was going to rip…getting up the price I may not have an option

Yeah, I'm having the same possibilities rise up. Question for the board: What would be the most fun (but still with some decent hits) box to rip with my kid that I could buy ($200-500)? He's about to be 6 but a strong SW enthusiast, loves all the movies, shows and Skywalker Saga Lego video game so he's well-versed.

[sarahmc143]

Originally Posted by ohio_mba

If these boxes skyrocket in price then good luck on anyone getting their preorder boxes from yesterday lol

Already had one loser cancel(mr.freeze_91).

[hotcalsun]

Originally Posted by Peties Army

Was going to rip…getting up the price I may not have an option

In same boat, now thinking I will flip and pick up some wax to rip from the early 2010s instead.