LeBron Exquisite /99 - altered & damaged

[corndog]

Originally Posted by Deadshot

Still looking for volunteers. Anyone interested in coming out from behind the keyboard?

(617) 816-6342

https://www.fastpeoplesearch.com/eri...88641987093527

There you go - give him a call if you think he will give you an interview.

He is not going to incriminate himself.

[Deadshot]

The point isn't to get a confession but thank you.

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by The Finest

This mob mentality has gotten completely out of control. It seems pretty obvious that BNC has a dark cloud around many of his high end cards. That doesn't mean every single card he owns has been trimmed and regraded. He has done THOUSANDS of deals. Do you expect 1,000 people to come to this thread with pitchforks saying they will never deal with him again? I do think it is a misguided argument in many cases to accuse people of being jealous. But here we have people who cant afford certain cards telling people who can afford to buy them that they shouldn't. That just reeks of jealousy. These high end collectors don't owe you anything more than someone who bought a $5 card from BNC. This thread should focus on what cards have been altered. Turning this into a platform to "shame" someone for sticking up for someone they trusted (wrongly trusted it appears) is ridiculous. I understand this is a major issue in the hobby and hopefully there is a positive resolution that comes from bringing it to the the light. But bashing longtime members who simply expressed their opinion in a time where they may not have had all the facts should not be one of them.

I agree with this. This thread is almost beyond logical. Lots of good but lots of bad, unnecessary witch hunting. In the court of law, there is no such thing as guilty by ONLY association. If there were, every human would be behind bars as the slippery slope argument could be used to connect every individual to a person that committed a devious crime.

Focus on this thread should be those whose cards that are trimmed, those that trim, and the people where the evidence most CLEARY implicates them as dirty, and how this can be communicated to unknown collectors so it is prevented from happening further.

Focusing on unknowing individuals who stood up for a trimmer that they did not know about is...irrational. Get off your couch and walk outside and do something productive with your life. And don’t be so eager to cast your stone because if the board knew how dirty your darkest secrets are, you wouldn’t be viewed so kindly either.

[Orangejello727]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

I agree with this. This thread is almost beyond logical. Lots of good but lots of bad, unnecessary witch hunting. In the court of law, there is no such thing as guilty by ONLY association. If there were, every human would be behind bars as the slippery slope argument could be used to connect every individual to a person that committed a devious crime.

Focus on this thread should be those whose cards that are trimmed, those that trim, and the people where the evidence most CLEARY implicates them as dirty, and how this can be communicated to unknown collectors so it is prevented from happening further.

Focusing on unknowing individuals who stood up for a trimmer that they did not know about is...irrational. Get off your couch and walk outside and do something productive with your life. And don’t be so eager to cast your stone because if the board knew how dirty your darkest secrets are, you wouldn’t be viewed so kindly either.

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Just want to make sure I have this clear... As long as you are not the one trimming and altering card, you find it okay to BST to with someone who does?

Just like if you are not the one stealing and scamming, its ok to BST with stolen cards as long as you are the one that didnt steal it?? Dealing with stolen good is perfectly okay as long as you are arent stealing it??

Just making sure that this is what you guys are advocating here? Its all good to profit off others so as long as you arent the one trimming the cards. But its ok to move them and transact with them with impunity.

The SOLE reason why BNC will trim and alter cards is because he is certain other people will sell and profit from them. That is why it happens. You cant cant stop trimming and altering card if the guys buying and selling them keep transacting to make profit. The trimmers do it because there are people willing to BST them.

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by Orangejello727

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Just want to make sure I have this clear... As long as you are not the one trimming and altering card, you find it okay to BST to with someone who does?

Just like if you are not the one stealing and scamming, its ok to BST with stolen cards as long as you are the one that didnt steal it?? Dealing with stolen good is perfectly okay as long as you are arent stealing it??

Just making sure that this is what you guys are advocating here? Its all good to profit off others so as long as you arent the one trimming the cards. But its ok to move them and transact with them with impunity.

The SOLE reason why BNC will trim and alter cards is because he is certain other people will sell and profit from them. That is why it happens. You cant cant stop trimming and altering card if the guys buying and selling them keep transacting to make profit. The trimmers do it because there are people willing to BST them.

Completely missing the point.

Can’t reason with irrationality. You want to put 100 innocent people to the death chair to get the 20 that are guilty or do you want to focus on the finding the 20 that are guilty and perhaps any supporting cast with felony/misdemeanor charges.

Calling for every person who has felt with this criminal to “defend themselves...” little cray.

And automatically assuming that those that do not publically distance themselves from the criminal that they are guilty or complicit is...cray. This is a hobby, not life or death. Treat it as such. Many don’t take this #@#@#@#@ this seriously.

[ThoseBackPages]

this is not a hobby for BNC

this is also not a hobby for 96% of the folks on this board

[AbraCalabro]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

Completely missing the point.

Can’t reason with irrationality. You want to put 100 innocent people to the death chair to get the 20 that are guilty or do you want to focus on the finding the 20 that are guilty and perhaps any supporting cast with felony/misdemeanor charges.

Calling for every person who has felt with this criminal to “defend themselves...” little cray.

And automatically assuming that those that do not publically distance themselves from the criminal that they are guilty or complicit is...cray. This is a hobby, not life or death. Treat it as such. Many don’t take this #@#@#@#@ this seriously.

Just curious, if we had discovered a counterfeiter with the same amount of clear evidence as we did BNC, would you still be saying the same thing if individuals continued to associate with and support the counterfeiter?

In principle, it is exactly the same thing, as both what BNC is doing and counterfeiting are highly damaging to the hobby and on the same level.

[Orangejello727]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

Completely missing the point.

Can’t reason with irrationality. You want to put 100 innocent people to the death chair to get the 20 that are guilty or do you want to focus on the finding the 20 that are guilty and perhaps any supporting cast with felony/misdemeanor charges.

Calling for every person who has felt with this criminal to “defend themselves...” little cray.

And automatically assuming that those that do not publically distance themselves from the criminal that they are guilty or complicit is...cray. This is a hobby, not life or death. Treat it as such. Many don’t take this #@#@#@#@ this seriously.

No. You totally missed the point. Im not pointing the finger at 100 innocent people. I am pointing the finger at people who are straight up telling you that they DO NOT mind dealing with a trimmer who does bad business. I am telling you that even though they fully are aware of what he does, sells and alters, they are still willing to BST with him.

You seem to want to ignore that. Im sure we'll see these people going out to lunch and hanging out wheeling and dealing at his table and in private moving altered and trimmed cards for $$$. Its a game of profits. BNC might be the one taking the heat for this, but these "other" fellas are opening profiting from it by moving it for him then denying they ever knew.

The only thing irrational here is being caught red handed then having someone else come in here and deflect away from those who profit off the bad business. Irrational is when you choose to turn a blind eye and focus on the wrong part of the bad business. Trimming is bad. We get it. KNOWINGLY associating yourself and BSTing with those who deceive by trimming and altering is the crime you wish to neglect. And I know why. Because it makes too much money for some of you.

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by Orangejello727

No. You totally missed the point. Im not pointing the finger at 100 innocent people. I am pointing the finger at people who are straight up telling you that they DO NOT mind dealing with a trimmer who does bad business. I am telling you that even though they fully are aware of what he does, sells and alters, they are still willing to BST with him.

You seem to want to ignore that. Im sure we'll see these people going out to lunch and hanging out wheeling and dealing at his table and in private moving altered and trimmed cards for $$$. Its a game of profits. BNC might be the one taking the heat for this, but these "other" fellas are opening profiting from it by moving it for him then denying they ever knew.

The only thing irrational here is being caught red handed then having someone else come in here and deflect away from those who profit off the bad business. Irrational is when you choose to turn a blind eye and focus on the wrong part of the bad business. Trimming is bad. We get it. KNOWINGLY associating yourself and BSTing with those who deceive by trimming and altering is the crime you wish to neglect. And I know why. Because it makes too much money for some of you.

Well said oj. To blue streak, it’s not a witch hunt. If you don’t investigate and look at the people that BNC associate with, you won’t find answers. It’s ignorant to say ignore everything else.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

Many don’t take this #@#@#@#@ this seriously.

The irony in this statement is astounding.

[Silentcommit]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

this is not a hobby for BNC

this is also not a hobby for 96% of the folks on this board

Slay Queen!!!

[minnesotachill]

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...als-1781527905


https://www.ebay.com/itm/1999-00-Kob...d9e5:rk:1:pf:0

This looks like another one of Eric's cards that took a big bump up. Surface going from 8.5 to 9.5. Corners going from 9 to 9.5

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by minnesotachill

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...als-1781527905


https://www.ebay.com/itm/1999-00-Kob...d9e5:rk:1:pf:0

This looks like another one of Eric's cards that took a big bump up. Surface going from 8.5 to 9.5. Corners going from 9 to 9.5

He do his work. Then he pray to God.

[Deadshot]

For anyone that's interested in researching Kevin Durant Exquisite rookie patch autos...this link is AWESOME

http://s437.photobucket.com/user/xul...?sort=4&page=1

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by minnesotachill

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...als-1781527905


https://www.ebay.com/itm/1999-00-Kob...d9e5:rk:1:pf:0

This looks like another one of Eric's cards that took a big bump up. Surface going from 8.5 to 9.5. Corners going from 9 to 9.5

Honestly, that doesn't even looked trimmed. Looks like someone got special treatment on the regrade. Look at the top edge. Still has the same damage. Both right corners still look soft.

[Deadshot]

I thought this was an interesting read in hindsight

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=314546

[imbluestreak23]

My point is not being made nor received clearly.

Whatever, just my opinion. I have no ball in this game. Carry on...

[smalltown]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

My point is not being made nor received clearly. Whatever, just my opinion. I have no ball in this game. Carry on...

Clarify your point then. It seems you're saying people shouldn't be wary of people who deal with and defend known scammers?

[Deadshot]

I realize the thread I'm about to post is nearly a decade old, but I wonder what changed BNC's mind so much on grading companies. He seems pretty dead set on PSA here

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=105793

[Deadshot]

Looking at some old stuff still...I know some of us have made mistakes when it comes to buying altered or faked cards, but here's an instance where BNC asked for opinions on a card, was informed that it was a definite fake, and proceeded to list it on eBay anyway. Someone called him out on it in the thread even

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=147520

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by Deadshot

Looking at some old stuff still...I know some of us have made mistakes when it comes to buying altered or faked cards, but here's an instance where BNC asked for opinions on a card, was informed that it was a definite fake, and proceeded to list it on eBay anyway. Someone called him out on it in the thread even

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=147520

After reading that, maybe he is a dope! Bought a fake logoman card?

[regularp]

Originally Posted by minnesotachill

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...als-1781527905


https://www.ebay.com/itm/1999-00-Kob...d9e5:rk:1:pf:0

This looks like another one of Eric's cards that took a big bump up. Surface going from 8.5 to 9.5. Corners going from 9 to 9.5

I actually sold that card to him as a PSA 9.

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[johnyensmith123]

Originally Posted by Deadshot

I realize the thread I'm about to post is nearly a decade old, but I wonder what changed BNC's mind so much on grading companies. He seems pretty dead set on PSA here

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=105793

You're really good at searching stuff, whether it's old threads, patch sources, etc.

Your post right after this about how BNC knowingly listed a fake is quite a find as well. I'm curious how this whole saga will end.

[Deadshot]

Originally Posted by johnyensmith123

You're really good at searching stuff, whether it's old threads, patch sources, etc.

Your post right after this about how BNC knowingly listed a fake is quite a find as well. I'm curious how this whole saga will end.

Thank you. I think it certainly raises more questions.

[Mountaineer]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

And automatically assuming that those that do not publically distance themselves from the criminal that they are guilty or complicit is...cray. This is a hobby, not life or death. Treat it as such. Many don’t take this #@#@#@#@ this seriously.

Those that have not distanced themselves publicly are the ones that posted in defense of BNC by saying he's a good guy to deal with, he's nice at conventions, and have accused others of making false accusations while at the same time hiding information or being afraid to speak out over a "hobby" as you like to call it. Those members know about how BNC but continue to always say hes a nice guy and promote his brand. Promoting the guy is false advertising and leading others to possibly buy altered cards.

The high majority in this forum doesn't treat this as a hobby and most are in it to make a profit and/or flip cards. Is it a bad thing? Not necessarily, but the one's who continue to say it's only a hobby is playing as a blissful idiot. Playing golf is a hobby, not trading around "cardboard" to make a profit. Also people would not spend a lot of money on something that "isn't that serious bro...."..