The burlap is back! First Buzz: 2017 Topps Heritage baseball cards (will update)

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by kyle1707

With this explosion last few years..

I'm guessing Heritage and Heritage high will not be enough..

Which i am sure excites some people and makes other sick..

But i am just waiting for some high end Heritage on steroids or something from topps.com

You can already buy jumbo versions of many cards from Heritage on the Topps website.

I got a Bumgarner from last year's set which looks very nice.

[ThoseBackPages]

I've picked up some of the past 5x7 stuff. they arent half bad

[Bhenry4]

I hate them, like with an undying passion. I bought an Opening Day National Anthem not knowing. They're just annoying, nowhere to store them even if I liked them.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by Bhenry4

I hate them, like with an undying passion. I bought an Opening Day National Anthem not knowing. They're just annoying, nowhere to store them even if I liked them.

Store them with your Heritage Fold-outs!

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by deemsterz33

Are the blue Real One autos more rare than in the past? Raw Bryant just sold for almost $600.

If Bryant's are, than Trouts are as well.

There are currently 0 Trout blue autos listed.

[TarjetasBéisbol]

Originally Posted by Bhenry4

I hate them, like with an undying passion. I bought an Opening Day National Anthem not knowing. They're just annoying, nowhere to store them even if I liked them.

Incredibly annoying and they clog up eBay searches. They usually end up in the dollar bin at shows.

[ThoseBackPages]

Have your targets re-stocked Game RC Blasters? mine has not

[Bhenry4]

Originally Posted by TarjetasBéisbol

Incredibly annoying and they clog up eBay searches. They usually end up in the dollar bin at shows.

$11 down the drain. I'll have my son do his worst with it.

[Turnitin2004]

Why have prices per box gone up as far as I can tell? I have watched at least 20-30 breaks on YouTube and they are all garbage.

Very few autographs. Jersey cards worth nothing. Flip stock and gray backs selling for nothing. Rediscover topps garbage. I get the action variations are sort of cool but it seems like no one on eBay cares about half this stuff. What am I missing? Saw a CC Sabathia flip stock go for like 6$. There's only like 5 of them right? People really don't care.

[cj828282]

Not sure I can provide the best answer but I can say that the master sets continue to sell for +$300, excellent rookie crop with SP variations, good auto checklist including most rookies, additions of blue border and bright yellow backs, and that it is Heritage.

[ThoseBackPages]

"Why have prices per box gone up as far as I can tell?"

Lots have been opened

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by Bhenry4

I hate them, like with an undying passion. I bought an Opening Day National Anthem not knowing. They're just annoying, nowhere to store them even if I liked them.

Pretty much any decent LCS will stock both pages and top-loaders for 5x7 cards.

I love them because they are bigger and display great. Just stick a couple of pieces of tape on the back and stick'em on the wall....

[Carrbeaz]

Originally Posted by mfw13

Pretty much any decent LCS will stock both pages and top-loaders for 5x7 cards.

I love them because they are bigger and display great. Just stick a couple of pieces of tape on the back and stick'em on the wall....

Not really. Why stock something with very small margin that may sell once a year. Especially since they come in large packages, it's a very poor profit margin per square footage used. Unless you are a store that has the room to waste on zero margin for the amount of sales per year. Very few will carry something like this.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by Turnitin2004

Why have prices per box gone up as far as I can tell? I have watched at least 20-30 breaks on YouTube and they are all garbage.

Very few autographs. Jersey cards worth nothing. Flip stock and gray backs selling for nothing. Rediscover topps garbage. I get the action variations are sort of cool but it seems like no one on eBay cares about half this stuff. What am I missing? Saw a CC Sabathia flip stock go for like 6$. There's only like 5 of them right? People really don't care.

Box prices have gone up because case prices went up, and now people who overpaid for cases are trying to recoup their $$$ by overpricing boxes.

Heritage is now becoming another product filled with low-value gimmicks. Nobody really cares about back variations, and the mini's, bazookas, and various types of refractors have lost much of their following. Even the actions are now becoming comparatively easy to find.

Can't think of any other product which people are willing to pay $70-80 a box for without being guaranteed an autograph...

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by Carrbeaz

Not really. Why stock something with very small margin that may sell once a year. Especially since they come in large packages, it's a very poor profit margin per square footage used. Unless you are a store that has the room to waste on zero margin for the amount of sales per year. Very few will carry something like this.

Because they do sell quite frequently, especially now that Topps is releasing a lot of jumbo-sized cards.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by mfw13

Box prices have gone up because case prices went up, and now people who overpaid for cases are trying to recoup their $$$ by overpricing boxes.

Heritage is now becoming another product filled with low-value gimmicks. Nobody really cares about back variations, and the mini's, bazookas, and various types of refractors have lost much of their following. Even the actions are now becoming comparatively easy to find.

Can't think of any other product which people are willing to pay $70-80 a box for without being guaranteed an autograph...

I do really like the variations on the front like the color swap and the action variations as well as the throwbacks, but the different backs do absolutely nothing for me.

Topps dropped the ball with the "yellow" variation backs, they just blend in way too easily.

[pryantexas]

As someone who has recently gotten back into the hobby in a relatively serious way (meaning that collecting cards has become the number one activity I spend money and time on outside of work) I can attest to the appeal of opening these boxes.

In terms of where my money goes I'm 50% singles and 50% wax. While this isn't an ideal mix, it will keep me from going broke immediately.

Spending $1000 on Heritage wax is much more fun (and takes more time) than $1000 worth of stuff like inception, strata, triple threads, etc... I like the process of having to look through a pack multiple times to make sure I didn't miss anything.

And while the ROI likely isn't there (is it really there with any wax?), it is nice knowing there is an outside chance of spending less than $100 on a box and pulling a whale.... while getting a stack of decently attractive cards to stock away or give to nieces/nephews, children hospitals, etc to enjoy

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by pryantexas

As someone who has recently gotten back into the hobby in a relatively serious way (meaning that collecting cards has become the number one activity I spend money and time on outside of work) I can attest to the appeal of opening these boxes.

In terms of where my money goes I'm 50% singles and 50% wax. While this isn't an ideal mix, it will keep me from going broke immediately.

Spending $1000 on Heritage wax is much more fun (and takes more time) than $1000 worth of stuff like inception, strata, triple threads, etc... I like the process of having to look through a pack multiple times to make sure I didn't miss anything.

And while the ROI likely isn't there (is it really there with any wax?), it is nice knowing there is an outside chance of spending less than $100 on a box and pulling a whale.... while getting a stack of decently attractive cards to stock away or give to nieces/nephews, children hospitals, etc to enjoy

yes, that's the appeal of this product. That's why heritage, gypsy queen, bowman, ginter and topps chrome have big followings...relatively cheap with the chance of pulling a monster.

[Turnitin2004]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

"Why have prices per box gone up as far as I can tell?"

Lots have been opened

Right but shouldn't all boxes always go up after release then (maybe they do? Idk) but once you see all the boxes that have been opened are awful unless you think that means every box left is great there is no reason to buy them.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by Turnitin2004

Right but shouldn't all boxes always go up after release then (maybe they do? Idk) but once you see all the boxes that have been opened are awful unless you think that means every box left is great there is no reason to buy them.

i guess "awful" is debatable. Heritage is not about "hits" when opening the product. That's why its less then $100 a box, with more then 5 cards per box

[ThoseBackPages]

Heritage is not for those with short attention spans and/or those with a need for instant gratification

[chezball]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

Heritage is not for those with short attention spans and/or those with a need for instant gratification

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

i guess "awful" is debatable. Heritage is not about "hits" when opening the product. That's why its less then $100 a box, with more then 5 cards per box

Correction.

Heritage didn't used to be about hits. Now Topps has stuffed it with so many gimmicks and "hits" that it too has fallen prey to the flipper/investor crowd.

Up until about five years ago Heritage was a pretty simple product....base set, 75 SP's, Chromes, Refractors, and Black Refractors.

Then they added color swaps and coin relics in 2012, and minis, bazookas, action variations, purple & gold refractors, throwbacks, venezuelans, and stamp relics in 2013. Then in 2014 you had the fake "errors" added along with logo variations. And in the last couple of years you've had the gum stain backs and various back variations.

So without a doubt, Topps has added a huge amount of content to Heritage....some of it good (actions, throwbacks), the rest of it pretty meh.

And in recent years they've also started messing with the autos, so that in many cases blues are now scarcer than reds (which never used to be the case), and/or non-existent.

[Dbacksbaseball]

Originally Posted by mfw13

Correction.

Heritage didn't used to be about hits. Now Topps has stuffed it with so many gimmicks and "hits" that it too has fallen prey to the flipper/investor crowd.

Up until about five years ago Heritage was a pretty simple product....base set, 75 SP's, Chromes, Refractors, and Black Refractors.

Then they added color swaps and coin relics in 2012, and minis, bazookas, action variations, purple & gold refractors, throwbacks, venezuelans, and stamp relics in 2013. Then in 2014 you had the fake "errors" added along with logo variations. And in the last couple of years you've had the gum stain backs and various back variations.

So without a doubt, Topps has added a huge amount of content to Heritage....some of it good (actions, throwbacks), the rest of it pretty meh.

And in recent years they've also started messing with the autos, so that in many cases blues are now scarcer than reds (which never used to be the case), and/or non-existent.

I still stick by my statement that this is poor ROI. I know its now gone from 10-12 peoples (here) favorite product to about 1000 peoples favorite product, but results aren't there this year. Between the flood of group breaking on a product that was never group broken to the mass of new rippers....I'm struggling to move my remaining inventory at a price I will let it go at. Look at the breaks section, its just people ripping a box or two.....or retail. And honestly....4-5 blasters at this point probably out performs a hobby box.

Fun story, won a $200 bet at the bar Friday night. Yesterday went into the more local of two hobby shops to blow that money. Got 2 USA boxes at $55 ea, and his last box of heritage he sold to me at $70 as it was the last box (mind you I don't really rip in box form anymore, so this was for S&G's)

$70 (well below most places)...netted me...
Hamels Relic
Arenado Action
9 SP's
Blue Dozier
3 No Name rediscovers.

$30 in cards this year......and this is 6-7 boxes each case.

Last year at $400 less a case at this point that was $55-ish in value.

I know you love it, I love it, we all love it....but the magic isn't there this year. Thought we would see a huge bump after the flood, we did for 3-4 days...but everything is selling for pennies compared to previous years at this point.

[imbluestreak23]

This is the back of a Benintendi Real One auto currently listed.

I managed to pick up a Trout with the Tie Dye back as well. I couldn't care less if these were a mistake, I think they are really cool.




As far as the value issues, a couple of points.

1) Our favorite stars are getting older. Early Heritage cards > later heritage cards. A simple comparison would be to say that you shouldn't expect to rip an 89/90 or 90/91 Fleer basketball box and get the same value for your Jordans as you do 87/88 Fleer. The same thing can be said with Trout/Harper/Machado Heritage cards. This is Bryant's third year, and Seagers second year. There cards are still relatively young. But a 2014 Action Trout/Harper is just better than 2017. <-- That's coming from someone that has 7-8 2017 copies and 0 2014s.

2) Prices are cheaper because of competition. If the gravy train is flowing for a couple of people, don't expect that train to keep flowing without other people trying to jump on the same track. With more wax being busted, there are more cards available. It is what it is, and at the end of the day, it is nobodies fault. Just something to consider next time if one plans on busting $10K-$20K-$40K in Heritage wax.