Topps Project 2020 is the worst product since 1991 Fleer

[RyanSwinger]

Originally Posted by MCyganik

I really hope Gregory Siff does an American Idol themed card, considering he was the main character’s best bud in 2003’s From Justin To Kelly

I hope he does a Brittney Palmer companion card- thats his GF

[ObanMontecristo]

Originally Posted by RyanSwinger

I've mentioned this before but I think it deserves mentioning it again- people need to stop trying to define what is going on in the P2020 market on a daily basis. Honestly, I was guilty of this early on in the post Memorial Day crash so I can speak from experience however I have found that its simply pointless. 1+2 doesn't necessarily = 3. Too many factors contributing to secondary market price to definitively say what is moving the market one way or another. Best to just be patient.

If your opinion on something you own changes greatly by the price fluctuation associated with that item then you're setting yourself up for failure as an investor. Emotion causes people to make poor investment decisions every single day and I see it a good deal in P2020.

Best (unsolicited) advice I can provide for anyone moving forward is build your PC with what you like and only invest in something you are comfortable seeing going to $0.00, If you are not willing to take on risk, do not put money toward it.

Have a great day guys.

Totally agree- none of us can predict the future, we’ve probably all had cards we thought were going to be huge but weren’t- and conversely, we’ve probably all gotten rid of cards that are worth a boatload now. If you collect what you like, it’s all good...

Though I do think this is a set that will have legs in the long run- I’ve only expanded what I’m collecting because the art keeps getting better and better with more samples

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

Definitely in the wrong hobby if thats the only thing that makes them feel better. I can watch 20 videos right now of a $4500 box turning into $200 in singles.

That is why lots of people don’t open wax anymore.

[sandlotsportcards]

Good point RyanSwinger. Right now there is really no point in analyzing what is going on every single day. I was not a big fan of this set initially and from the get go had no intention of collecting all 400 cards. Eventually I did find an artist to collect (now 3) but also started to gain an appreciation for some of the cards from artists I'm not collecting. I then started to acquire them and a lot of them were at very high prices. I thought if for some reason if the huge upswing in prices was sustainable then I would miss out on ones I wanted. I should have known it wasn't sustainable and now I have lost a good amount of money on the cards I purchased. So at this point in time I am buying direct from Topps on future releases and I have made up my mind that I don't care what happens to value each day. When the last card is released and delivered I will evaluate what I have accumulated, what I want to keep, and what I am going to sell. Hopefully the "long haul" and some lower print runs will help stabilize prices and push some back up.

[cp312]

Originally Posted by samcam

Based upon?

Based upon the fact that most artists are selling more than 200 autos...JK5 Trout alone is 379 autos...Efdot said he bought 800 Jackies...Tyson's base Koufax auto is /250 alone, and this trend continues if you look at previous artist auto releases

[MCyganik]

Originally Posted by RyanSwinger

I hope he does a Brittney Palmer companion card- thats his GF

So it would be a literal companion card?

[ThoseBackPages]

GOOOOOOOOOOOOD MORNiNG SPORTS CARD INVESTOOOOOOOOOOOOOORS!!!!!!!

[Danderlion]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

First welcome to the boards. This set has long term appeal. Many of the people that "got burnt" either got hooked on the upswing in prices which happens all the time or were flippers trying to flip even quicker. The issue in it all were most of the cards were not "in hand" and that money got tied up for 5-7 weeks. Thrown in the immense print run with the Shore Griffey and many exited just as quickly as they entered or are attempting to with the cards they now have in hand(Quick dumping and undercutting).

There is tremendous long term appeal here. Aside from team/player collectors, the artwork itself could stand the test. See the 1990 Score Bo Jackson B/W. People are paying $75 for PSA 10s of that card. There are hundreds of thousands of those. The Baller Trout fits in that category easily along with a few others. On the art front, the artist can take a generational leap or simply, P2020 can end up in the MOMA collection.

It's reprinted art work... I don't know any reprints that stand the test of time. It'd be great if these do, but I am skeptical.

You can buy some amazing, original pieces of art for much less than people are spending on this set. Not trying to tell anyone how to spend their money, but I recommend looking into some original pieces! There is some very cool stuff out there (example, Loui Jover)!

Apologies for the thread drift, back to P2020!

[Farmkid]

Little story here...

Went looking for the July Beckett Sportscard Monthly magazine (Project 2020 Cover) this weekend in central NY. Well, first stop was a Barnes & Noble, unfortunately thier magazine section was about 10% of what it normally was and they didn't have any Beckett magazines at all. Then I went to a card shop that is finally open. Pretty big shop, but he doesn't even carry the Beckett Magazines, he says noone really cares about it because the prices change so much. I told him I agree, but I "read it for the articles". So he told me to try a different Barnes and Noble and they did have Beckett magazines, all the April '20 issues. Finally, I did get what I was looking for at another card shop, he had two copies, so I got one of them along with a box of Ultra Pro 15-pocket pages (Topps 206 should be coming soon).

Really like the two articles in the magazine and interesting that the only P2020 card in the "Hot List" page was the Ben Baller Trout card.

So I also asked both card places about what they thought about Project 2020. The first guy didn't like them, thought they were too expensive and since it was print to order, they wouldn't hold value. The second guy was even more hostile. He seemed more knowledgeable but displayed animosity towards Topps for all the direct ordering products that Topps seems to be pushing and how it cuts out the card shops to the detriment to the hobby.

Overall, I was initially surprised by the lack of enthusiasm both card shops showed regarding Topps Project 2020, considering the insane popularity here, on podcasts, and on ebay.

[Bruvydsb]

Originally Posted by Farmkid

Little story here...

Went looking for the July Beckett Sportscard Monthly magazine (Project 2020 Cover) this weekend in central NY. Well, first stop was a Barnes & Noble, unfortunately thier magazine section was about 10% of what it normally was and they didn't have any Beckett magazines at all. Then I went to a card shop that is finally open. Pretty big shop, but he doesn't even carry the Beckett Magazines, he says noone really cares about it because the prices change so much. I told him I agree, but I "read it for the articles". So he told me to try a different Barnes and Noble and they did have Beckett magazines, all the April '20 issues. Finally, I did get what I was looking for at another card shop, he had two copies, so I got one of them along with a box of Ultra Pro 15-pocket pages (Topps 206 should be coming soon).

Really like the two articles in the magazine and interesting that the only P2020 card in the "Hot List" page was the Ben Baller Trout card.

So I also asked both card places about what they thought about Project 2020. The first guy didn't like them, thought they were too expensive and since it was print to order, they wouldn't hold value. The second guy was even more hostile. He seemed more knowledgeable but displayed animosity towards Topps for all the direct ordering products that Topps seems to be pushing and how it cuts out the card shops to the detriment to the hobby.

Overall, I was initially surprised by the lack of enthusiasm both card shops showed regarding Topps Project 2020, considering the insane popularity here, on podcasts, and on ebay.

Makes sense.

Anything direct between Topps and the consumer hurts the LCS.

The more money spent on P2020, the less spent on wax, singles, etc.

For me, I have not joined one group break since I started collecting P2020.

[mwheeler27]

Originally Posted by Danderlion

It's reprinted art work... I don't know any reprints that stand the test of time. It'd be great if these do, but I am skeptical.

You can buy some amazing, original pieces of art for much less than people are spending on this set. Not trying to tell anyone how to spend their money, but I recommend looking into some original pieces! There is some very cool stuff out there (example, Loui Jover)!

Apologies for the thread drift, back to P2020!

...of baseball cards

...made by Topps

...of iconic baseball players

...from iconic rookie baseball cards

...created by some fairly well-known artists.

While I agree with you, there is a LOT more to this than just reprinted artwork.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by mwheeler27

...of baseball cards

...made by Topps

...of iconic baseball players

...from iconic rookie baseball cards

...created by some fairly well-known artists.

While I agree with you, there is a LOT more to this than just reprinted artwork.

na bro, u wrong.

#ThanksCOVID19

[samcam]

Originally Posted by cp312

Based upon the fact that most artists are selling more than 200 autos...JK5 Trout alone is 379 autos...Efdot said he bought 800 Jackies...Tyson's base Koufax auto is /250 alone, and this trend continues if you look at previous artist auto releases

You said MOST artists. I don't see that being the case. We have 20 remember. Either way, I agree with Wheeler when he offered that they should sign after the clock strikes midnight...no matter the number they sign or buy.

I had not intended to get any autos except maybe sending one in to Blake later...until I saw the /15 Shore Gibby this morning.

I am surprised how quickly he became my favorite artist and had me carting something I had not planned on buying at all.

The right mix of low drop/mixed drop time/limited color editions is still out there somewhere and we are all learning as we go...or maybe not we are human


Anyways: Enjoy the week everybody! Lets get to the ART!!!!

[RyanSwinger]

Originally Posted by Danderlion

It's reprinted art work... I don't know any reprints that stand the test of time. It'd be great if these do, but I am skeptical.

You can buy some amazing, original pieces of art for much less than people are spending on this set. Not trying to tell anyone how to spend their money, but I recommend looking into some original pieces! There is some very cool stuff out there (example, Loui Jover)!

Apologies for the thread drift, back to P2020!

Totally agree and totally disagree.

Agree- From a straight art collector/investor perspective- P2020 is not the best way to invest in the artist work. Original paintings and/or APs/Giclee's are the way to go.

Disagree- A very large portion of the P2020 community has literally no idea about the art world. The two communities arent necessarily linked and the cards can trade on a completely different subset of valuation. As an example, a Trout collector may never have any intention of owning a Ermsy print or even the original of the Trout Ermsy. They may however highly value the baseball card. You could hypothetically find that an Original Print or Giclee print may be worth the same price because one collector is uninterested in acquiring the other version.

[smapdi]

I think it's best to just look on the May frenzy as a non-event. The whole card market has been unintuitively crazy this spring, and a perfect storm of hype pullled new, enthusiastic, and apparently well-funded buyers into the market but the fad wore off in 3 weeks, as such things do. I think people should not be looking at $2000 Oldmanalan Riveras or $700 Rochester Thomases as any sort of guide to future value. Certainly it's not impossible, but I just don't see it at this point, unless an artist becomes a really huge, Banksy-level name.

Since Topps started putting out limited-window, on-demand sets like this with Topps Now in 2016, the value plays have been the first few cards, especially the first day's cards, and whatever the 3 or 4 lowest PR cards are going forward. While this is different from Topps Now or Living Sets with the additional axis of artist fans, demand on these sets over the past few years has been fairly static as people drop out and others, hopefully, pick it up.

I'd guess there are 3000-4000 "real" collectors buying regularly, pursuing particular player or artist sets, or just getting random ones they like. There are likely a few hundred people buying an extra copy or two, as it seems pretty easy to diminish your total cost by buying extras and selling them for a few dollars profit, dropping the per-unit cost of a total collection from $19-21 per to $16 or less. There are still the whales buying 50-250 copies of each card, but they are falling off quickly as the economics become more untenable.

[seanbros55]

What does the board think this’ll hammer at? (Not my listing)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Topps-Proje...EAAOSwzhle5CtZ

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by seanbros55

What does the board think this’ll hammer at? (Not my listing)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Topps-Proje...EAAOSwzhle5CtZ

oh nice!

[Farmkid]

Originally Posted by RyanSwinger

Totally agree and totally disagree.

Agree- From a straight art collector/investor perspective- P2020 is not the best way to invest in the artist work. Original paintings and/or APs/Giclee's are the way to go.

Disagree- A very large portion of the P2020 community has literally no idea about the art world. The two communities arent necessarily linked and the cards can trade on a completely different subset of valuation. As an example, a Trout collector may never have any intention of owning a Ermsy print or even the original of the Trout Ermsy. They may however highly value the baseball card. You could hypothetically find that an Original Print or Giclee print may be worth the same price because one collector is uninterested in acquiring the other version.

I just had to look up Giclee. So what do we know about Topps' printing methods on these cards? Have they done these in a special way that makes them "better" than the 2020- Topps Series 1 Base Cards?

[samcam]

Originally Posted by Danderlion

It's reprinted art work... I don't know any reprints that stand the test of time. It'd be great if these do, but I am skeptical.

You can buy some amazing, original pieces of art for much less than people are spending on this set. Not trying to tell anyone how to spend their money, but I recommend looking into some original pieces! There is some very cool stuff out there (example, Loui Jover)!

Apologies for the thread drift, back to P2020!

#artgoggles

Put it in the book!!!

[samcam]

Originally Posted by seanbros55

What does the board think this’ll hammer at? (Not my listing)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Topps-Proje...EAAOSwzhle5CtZ

5-7000?

[RyanSwinger]

Originally Posted by Farmkid

I just had to look up Giclee. So what do we know about Topps' printing methods on these cards? Have they done these in a special way that makes them "better" than the 2020- Topps Series 1 Base Cards?

I cant speak to that as I do not know much about Topps Series 1. I dont think the printing methods of Topps makes one card set more valuable than the other. Its not coming from the artist themselves so its just a mass production either way.

[Farmkid]

Originally Posted by RyanSwinger

I cant speak to that as I do not know much about Topps Series 1. I dont think the printing methods of Topps makes one card set more valuable than the other. Its not coming from the artist themselves so its just a mass production either way.

I am apt to agree with you. At the end of the day, Topps is a massive printing business, not an art printer. Taking off my "artgoggles".

[vwnut13]

Remember when Topps Now was popular?

[gmoney328]

Technically, isn't a '52 Mantle just a reprint of original artwork?

Aren't all the cards we buy either that, or copies of original photos?

The "it's just a reprint" argument doesn't hold water.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan371

Get off your high horse. If you can’t sense my sarcasm / teasing in that post, loosen up. Yes my comment at Mwheeler was uncalled for, which I apologized, but otherwise haven’t said anything awful.

Meanwhile, you have followed me all around the forum. In two threads, the project 2020 sales thread and another, you have inferred you would love to piss me off and that I’m a bad member. Another thread can’t recall you did similar. More cheap shots, which I ignored.

Now any sort of humor or comment I post, you double down here. You are the intolerable one.
Might I recommend you click “mute” or “block” next to my name, once I get in office today I will be doing the same for you.

"Cheap Shots" is rich coming from you. "I apologize to Wheeler..even though I'm not a fan of his" LOL . Glad Wheeler is a bigger person and accepted that "apology". You've rubbed me the wrong ever since the Bowman 1st thread. And sarcasm? I'm sorry I've seen your posts, nothing from that comment screamed sarcasm or joking to me and I'm not the only one who didn't think your comment was funny, it backfired like most of your posts of accusations. You go to every new release thread and admonish people for posting a thread, like it really MATTERS..like the Blowout forums are the end all for information. You're going to get your precious boxes dude, don't worry and you'll make plenty of $$$. Some of us though actually collect cards for FUN...crazy concept right? Anyways, you're right, not too many people aggrevate me on these boards, you're definitely one of them, so I will be blocking you as well.