Ronald Acuña

[Bronconation24]

Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

698 bat-up was a factory set exclusive. It was never pack-issued, and for some reason that matters.

I mean why wouldn’t it matter. One card is guaranteed for a fixed price, while the other isnt

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

Bat down, pants down!!!!!!!!!!!

US300!!!!!!!!!

^THIS!!!

[rngrdanny22]

Originally Posted by Bronconation24

I mean why wouldn’t it matter. One card is guaranteed for a fixed price, while the other isnt

Sure, but wouldn't that aspect become less and less important as time passes and there are less factory sets on the market?

[ThoseBackPages]

there are less 698s in the world

[oddstuff]

Originally Posted by Andr3000

US250 vs 698 Bat Up

I mainly collect base cards. US250 is the sought after card, obviously. Why is this though - isn't the 698 a Short Print? Are there really less US250's than 698's?

Or is it just that the US250 is THE CARD because it's Update and just the way it is?

I have a couple of US250's. Thinking about grabbing a 698 or two, just wanted to get people's thoughts.

The factory set Bat up 698 probably had a print run of around 75-100k, while the US250 I've heard numbers in the 200k range...so strictly from a print run perspective, the complete set 698 bat up should be higher valued...but it's the Trout Update effect on the US250. As mentioned by another, the All Star Game factory set print run was much lower...3-5k at most....if scarcity is a driving point for you. Both PSA and BGS pop data supports the low print run for the All Star Game version.

[BTownCards]

Originally Posted by oddstuff

The factory set Bat up 698 probably had a print run of around 75-100k, while the US250 I've heard numbers in the 200k range...so strictly from a print run perspective, the complete set 698 bat up should be higher valued...but it's the Trout Update effect on the US250. As mentioned by another, the All Star Game factory set print run was much lower...3-5k at most....if scarcity is a driving point for you. Both PSA and BGS pop data supports the low print run for the All Star Game version.

I always love the “rarer than bat down” title on the eBay sales.

I don’t own one.


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[oddstuff]

Originally Posted by BTownCards

I always love the “rarer than bat down” title on the eBay sales.

I don’t own one.


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20,000 vs. 5,000...numbers (which is what a lot of value is derived from) don't lie.

[rngrdanny22]

Originally Posted by oddstuff

20,000 vs. 5,000...numbers (which is what a lot of value is derived from) don't lie.

The crazy part is that I'd bet the all-star ends up with more PSA 10's than bat-down even with 1/4ish the print run.

[oddstuff]

Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

The crazy part is that I'd bet the all-star ends up with more PSA 10's than bat-down even with 1/4ish the print run.

It may...but it hasn't...there's 4x more gem mints for the bat down than the ASG right now. How can that be explained away? It's been two plus years since release. Granted opening up the set may not guarantee a gem mint but even a mint 9 is worth the cost of the original set and more...and then you have all the other rookies like Torres, Devers, Buehler, etc. that you can grade out and sell. None of the big distributors have the set (though some have the 2019 version).

[rngrdanny22]

Originally Posted by oddstuff

It may...but it hasn't...there's 4x more gem mints for the bat down than the ASG right now. How can that be explained away?

I agree and understand that there are right now, but I'd bet a ton of people are holding the all-star set unopened. Those bat-downs came out of the pack all beat to hell. It's a very tough grade and I don't see that pop growing much more over the years. It will go up slowly, but I don't expect huge jumps month-to-month.

Someone (or multiple people) are sitting on a pile of all-star sets. I just know it.

The all-star has a gem rate of 78% and the bat-down is much lower.

I HIGHLY doubt the bat-down will ever see 10% of it's print run in PSA 10. That would be 2,000 cards and it just won't happen.

I could see 40% of the all-stars becoming PSA 10's over time.

[oddstuff]

Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

I agree and understand that there are right now, but I'd bet a ton of people are holding the all-star set unopened. Those bat-downs came out of the pack all beat to hell. It's a very tough grade and I don't see that pop growing much more over the years. It will go up slowly, but I don't expect huge jumps month-to-month.

Someone (or multiple people) are sitting on a pile of all-star sets. I just know it.

The all-star has a gem rate of 78% and the bat-down is much lower.

I HIGHLY doubt the bat-down will ever see 10% of it's print run in PSA 10. That would be 2,000 cards and it just won't happen.

I could see 40% of the all-stars becoming PSA 10's over time.

I am not trying to start anything along the lines that the ASG is the best RC for Acuna. I agree the bat down will and always will be that. But what I'm just trying to point out is the scarcity of the ASG card...that's all. What people do with that is up to them. Will be interesting to see how much 2018 Series 2 hobby boxes/cases will be opened vs. sets/cases of the ASG factory sets over time. I'm sure if anyone opens up more Series 2 packs, they will be opening those packs with a lot more care than the folks first busting the packs in 2018. As for the ASG card, some could care less about a little extra foil stamp on a card while others will make a big deal over it. We will see how that goes IF Acuna is the next generational player following Trout that most on this thread hope he turns out to be.

[rngrdanny22]

Originally Posted by oddstuff

I am not trying to start anything along the lines that the ASG is the best RC for Acuna. I agree the bat down will and always will be that. But what I'm just trying to point out is the scarcity of the ASG card...that's all. What people do with that is up to them. Will be interesting to see how much 2018 Series 2 hobby boxes/cases will be opened vs. sets/cases of the ASG factory sets over time. I'm sure if anyone opens up more Series 2 packs, they will be opening those packs with a lot more care than the folks first busting the packs in 2018. As for the ASG card, some could care less about a little extra foil stamp on a card while others will make a big deal over it. We will see how that goes IF Acuna is the next generational player following Trout that most on this thread hope he turns out to be.

Oh, I agree. It's definitely rarer overall and a must-have for an Acuna collector!

[oddstuff]

Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

I agree and understand that there are right now, but I'd bet a ton of people are holding the all-star set unopened. Those bat-downs came out of the pack all beat to hell. It's a very tough grade and I don't see that pop growing much more over the years. It will go up slowly, but I don't expect huge jumps month-to-month.

Someone (or multiple people) are sitting on a pile of all-star sets. I just know it.

The all-star has a gem rate of 78% and the bat-down is much lower.

I HIGHLY doubt the bat-down will ever see 10% of it's print run in PSA 10. That would be 2,000 cards and it just won't happen.

I could see 40% of the all-stars becoming PSA 10's over time.

One last comment lol...on your 40% statement. Like the the pack pulled or any factory set card, what gets submitted to grading is often the very best ones...at least a 9 in this case...so not every card gets submitted (although at the high values of the bat down, would think most would submit no matter the condition just to slab it).

5000 ASG Acunas at 40% gem rate = 2000
4000 ASG Acunas at 40% gem rate = 1600
3000 ASG Acunas at 40% gem rate = 1200

If your percentages prove true, the gem mints for both the Bat Down and the ASG cards would be fairly close to one another.

Also, the 698 Acuna cards in the factory set were all manually inserted after the fact...so the cards are not part of the main body of the rest of the set...the blocks of cards that are generally in very good condition. Those of you that have busted factory sets know what I'm talking about. There are probably 8-10 blocks of cards that are always in the same order and collated together...so those are all cut and collated by a machine and in general yield a high rate of gem mint cards (those that busted the 2019 factory sets will tell you the Tatis in those sets are in much better shape than the pack pulled ones). Because the 698 Acuna and 699 Torres were manually inserted and next to the 5 card bonus pack, you won't get a 75-90% gem rate vs the rest of the set. The 78% gem rate also are only for those ones that submitters have picked out as possible 10s. There are possibly a larger population of the cards being sold raw as is with no hope of getting better than an 8 (which is why rngrdanny22 used the 40% estimate - a very fair estimate).

[BTownCards]

Always the best info.

Great write up.


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[JrFinest]

Are we accounting for all the ones PSA didnt label correctly of the bat downs?


Also Braves are beating up the Marlins. Dont be surprised if Mattingly calls for another HBP to Acuna. Its become his specialty.

[rngrdanny22]

Originally Posted by JrFinest

Are we accounting for all the ones PSA didnt label correctly of the bat downs?


Also Braves are beating up the Marlins. Dont be surprised if Mattingly calls for another HBP to Acuna. Its become his specialty.

Yeah, assuming all 698 and 698 Bat Downs are actually bat-downs (which they aren't), that's less than 700 I think the last time I checked.

[Phoneboy]

Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

Yeah, assuming all 698 and 698 Bat Downs are actually bat-downs (which they aren't), that's less than 700 I think the last time I checked.

Correct. 695.

[ptbbreaks]

Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

Oh, I agree. It's definitely rarer overall and a must-have for an Acuna collector!

Just so we’re all on the same page. What’s the card number in discussion here?? US220 or 81?

[oddstuff]

Originally Posted by JrFinest

Are we accounting for all the ones PSA didnt label correctly of the bat downs?


Also Braves are beating up the Marlins. Dont be surprised if Mattingly calls for another HBP to Acuna. Its become his specialty.

Great to have Ozzie back...he and Acuna feed off one another...and the rest of the team feed off of their vibe too....sticking it to the Marlins tonight.

[rngrdanny22]

Originally Posted by ptbbreaks

Just so we’re all on the same page. What’s the card number in discussion here?? US220 or 81?

Um, I'm not familiar with those card numbers.

The All-Star Foil Acuna is #698 from the all-star factory sets.

The Bat-Down Acuna is also #698 and is an SP from Series 2.

The Update Acuna is US250.

[ptbbreaks]

Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

Um, I'm not familiar with those card numbers.

The All-Star Foil Acuna is #698 from the all-star factory sets.

The Bat-Down Acuna is also #698 and is an SP from Series 2.

The Update Acuna is US250.

Thanks for clearing that up. I was confused with which year was being discussed.

Thanks for straightening me out.

[SaltyCracker]

Originally Posted by ptbbreaks

Just so we’re all on the same page. What’s the card number in discussion here?? US220 or 81?

US220 FTW!!!

[Shadowsonic2004]

Originally Posted by ptbbreaks

Just so we’re all on the same page. What’s the card number in discussion here?? US220 or 81?

Are you talking about US43 and US252?

[rngrdanny22]

[Shadowsonic2004]

Originally Posted by SaltyCracker

US220 FTW!!!

Didn't realize 2019 was US220. What's US81 then? Also did you get all the colors graded?