First Buzz: 2024 Topps Heritage High Number baseball cards (will update)

[ThoseBackPages]

i think topps knows it will sell however they want to sell it.

i am surprised they passed on the free loan, but they know people will buy it all anyway.

with Matt Harvey II in it, they know demand will be there immediately.

[marjac]

Originally Posted by FatButcher

I think if anything this has the potential to push 2025 Heritage into the discount bin even faster. Most folks would prefer the 2024 HHN with a much better RC chase, better (to most) design and the mini option.

Unless a 2025 rookie comes out of the gates on absolute fire, the 25 Heritage will struggle.

I highly doubt it will struggle, simply because there are legions of collectors out there like me who are Topps 1975 fanatics who must have every last 1975 style card. This upcoming High Number might be the last thing I collect en masse for the rest of my life. And I am not alone.

[cruiserdaddy7]

The couple places that are still offering pre-sells are at $200++ a box. They both had been at 150 then 175, so I'd guess it must move at those numbers.

[MotorboatJones]

Originally Posted by marjac

I highly doubt it will struggle, simply because there are legions of collectors out there like me who are Topps 1975 fanatics who must have every last 1975 style card. This upcoming High Number might be the last thing I collect en masse for the rest of my life. And I am not alone.

I think he was saying that 2024 Heritage High will NOT struggle, but rather it could make 2025 Heritage, which will likely release later (but close in time), struggle.

Personally, I look forward to both, but with much higher excitement towards 2024 Heritage High Number.

[MotorboatJones]

Originally Posted by cruiserdaddy7

The couple places that are still offering pre-sells are at $200++ a box. They both had been at 150 then 175, so I'd guess it must move at those numbers.

I’m thankful to be in for 2 hobby boxes at $128.50 each delivered, 3 hobby boxes at $129.99 each delivered and 5 blasters at $26.99 each delivered. Excited to enjoy opening !

[ThoseBackPages]

the wax and singles will be available for a long, long time

if you are a set builder, theres no rush to complete your set.... 2025 or 2035 wot matter

[MotorboatJones]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

the wax and singles will be available for a long, long time

if you are a set builder, theres no rush to complete your set.... 2025 or 2035 wot matter

I’m not in a rush. I’m just excited for High Number. There’s never a rush…but the inclusion of 1975 Minis will keep prices elevated above preorder levels for quite some time.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by MotorboatJones

I’m not in a rush. I’m just excited for High Number. There’s never a rush…

right on!

[marjac]

Originally Posted by MotorboatJones

I’m not in a rush. I’m just excited for High Number. There’s never a rush…but the inclusion of 1975 Minis will keep prices elevated above preorder levels for quite some time.

I'm in a rush. I have OCD. I can't help myself. Plus on the main 2024 Heritage, the short print minis became a lot more expensive making it more costly to complete sets as compared to when the Set was issued.

[marjac]

Originally Posted by MotorboatJones

I think he was saying that 2024 Heritage High will NOT struggle, but rather it could make 2025 Heritage, which will likely release later (but close in time), struggle.

Personally, I look forward to both, but with much higher excitement towards 2024 Heritage High Number.

You're right. I read it wrong. My bad. I actually hope that 2025 Heritage takes some of the demand away from 2024 Heritage High Number, as I consider 2025 Heritage/1976 style to be a blasphemous abomination in comparison with the iconic color orgy of the 1975 style.

[parkerj33]

I can confirm that i know of 4 hobby shops that are topps direct and they get at most 3 cases, most of them only 1 per store...when just a year ago they were getting 10-15 cases of heritage direct. The big distys (southern, gts, american, peach) no longer get anything from topps. the rest of hobby is all sold direct to consumers or direct to breakers.

if i ran fanatics i would do the same thing honestly, and so would most of you, if you think about it. although i might spread more to dealers, but they have jacked up the price to them as well. why give distys extra $$ when you can handle the logistics yourself. (at least they think they can).

[bub838]

Originally Posted by parkerj33

I can confirm that i know of 4 hobby shops that are topps direct and they get at most 3 cases, most of them only 1 per store...when just a year ago they were getting 10-15 cases of heritage direct. The big distys (southern, gts, american, peach) no longer get anything from topps. the rest of hobby is all sold direct to consumers or direct to breakers.

if i ran fanatics i would do the same thing honestly, and so would most of you, if you think about it. although i might spread more to dealers, but they have jacked up the price to them as well. why give distys extra $$ when you can handle the logistics yourself. (at least they think they can).

Out of curiosity, how much in the way of blasters did they get? I can't believe a scenario where Heritage Retail is in demand, but here we are.

[THE(NEXT)LEVEL]

Originally Posted by parkerj33

I can confirm that i know of 4 hobby shops that are topps direct and they get at most 3 cases, most of them only 1 per store...when just a year ago they were getting 10-15 cases of heritage direct. The big distys (southern, gts, american, peach) no longer get anything from topps. the rest of hobby is all sold direct to consumers or direct to breakers.

if i ran fanatics i would do the same thing honestly, and so would most of you, if you think about it. although i might spread more to dealers, but they have jacked up the price to them as well. why give distys extra $$ when you can handle the logistics yourself. (at least they think they can).

This is exactly why people have FOMO. They see shops getting cut and think its short printed, but in reality, they are just shifting the product along other avenues of distribution. Topps is able to game the public, b/c they can create a perceived scarcity of the products.

[premium1981]

Originally Posted by THE(NEXT)LEVEL

This is exactly why people have FOMO. They see shops getting cut and think its short printed, but in reality, they are just shifting the product along other avenues of distribution. Topps is able to game the public, b/c they can create a perceived scarcity of the products.

This is correct and incorrect at the same time. It isn't scarce when compared to the same product of previous years. Because the print run almost always goes up. So that equals more supply. But on the other hand, if you correlate scarcity with availability it does become more scarce. The demand side is rising faster than the supply side is rising. If there are more people in the hobby, more breakers chewing through products, and yada yada yada, the demand side of the curve is still causing it to be more scarce. I'm not opening it and I'm not holding it. HHN is one of my favorite releases every year and I want nothing to do with it at these print runs and prices. But to say the public is just getting gamed by Topps isn't completely accurate. When people post their opinions on here they often forget to weigh them against what is actually happening in the hobby. This isn't the 2017 market, its not the 2021 market, this is the 2025 market. All completely different and the same opinion in one year that could be accurate would be completely wrong in a different year.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by MotorboatJones

I think he was saying that 2024 Heritage High will NOT struggle, but rather it could make 2025 Heritage, which will likely release later (but close in time), struggle.

Personally, I look forward to both, but with much higher excitement towards 2024 Heritage High Number.

My intent was simply to note that the fact that both products are being released within a month of each other may make both struggle.

2024 HHN has the more popular design and some great RC's.....but I think most people care much more about the regular set than the high number set in general.

1975 diehards and people trying to complete a 725-card mini set may be all over this, but IMHO there are also going to be plenty of people who are perfectly happy to simply wait another month until 2025 Heritage releases.

[THE(NEXT)LEVEL]

Originally Posted by premium1981

This is correct and incorrect at the same time. It isn't scarce when compared to the same product of previous years. Because the print run almost always goes up. So that equals more supply. But on the other hand, if you correlate scarcity with availability it does become more scarce. The demand side is rising faster than the supply side is rising. If there are more people in the hobby, more breakers chewing through products, and yada yada yada, the demand side of the curve is still causing it to be more scarce. I'm not opening it and I'm not holding it. HHN is one of my favorite releases every year and I want nothing to do with it at these print runs and prices. But to say the public is just getting gamed by Topps isn't completely accurate. When people post their opinions on here they often forget to weigh them against what is actually happening in the hobby. This isn't the 2017 market, its not the 2021 market, this is the 2025 market. All completely different and the same opinion in one year that could be accurate would be completely wrong in a different year.

For Hobby cases, yes, as King Rubin wants to satiate his breakers. In reality he wants to 10x the Hobby, so he doesn't want to make it scarce in totality. They are just going to pump out that much more in retail to make it accessible for more people. There is going to be plenty of this stuff across all formats. Heritage you can get all of the autos in retail, so unless you want the Hobby only stuff(which isn't as big of a draw with this issue), there is going to be retail for all. Only problem is if they make the minis hobby exclusive.

[eastbayak]

How high will box/case prices go?!

[parkerj33]

Originally Posted by bub838

Out of curiosity, how much in the way of blasters did they get? I can't believe a scenario where Heritage Retail is in demand, but here we are.

Blasters also in very short supply compared to what is usually made available to direct accts.

I agree with other posters who are pointing out astutely that the demand for everyting is sky high compared to oolder times....so while we fret about watered products and high prints, there is no shortage of demand which is creating prices....its not artificial manipulation by fanatics...if it were, then series 1 would be $80/box by now.

[bub838]

Originally Posted by parkerj33

Blasters also in very short supply compared to what is usually made available to direct accts.

I agree with other posters who are pointing out astutely that the demand for everyting is sky high compared to oolder times....so while we fret about watered products and high prints, there is no shortage of demand which is creating prices....its not artificial manipulation by fanatics...if it were, then series 1 would be $80/box by now.

Jesus- if they put minis in blasters those will inflate, too. What a world.

[eastbayak]

What's currently happening with licensed MLB products is what's been happening to licensed NBA/NFL products for years.

Licensed MLB products always lagged behind the other 2 in regards to demand and their high prices but it's finally catching up now.

It doesn't help that the 2024 MLB rookie class (and probably 2025) is strong whereas the 2024-25 NBA and 2024 NFL rookie classes are weak (so additional attention being placed on the former than latter).

Hopefully MLB wax pricing doesn't get too crazy though. NBA/NFL wax prices have sucked for years.

[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

i think topps knows it will sell however they want to sell it.

i am surprised they passed on the free loan, but they know people will buy it all anyway.

with Dwight Gooden II in it, they know demand will be there immediately.

Fixed it for you.

[Cracktoast]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

What's currently happening with licensed MLB products is what's been happening to licensed NBA/NFL products for years.

Licensed MLB products always lagged behind the other 2 in regards to demand and their high prices but it's finally catching up now.

It doesn't help that the 2024 MLB rookie class (and probably 2025) is strong whereas the 2024-25 NBA and 2024 NFL rookie classes are weak (so additional attention being placed on the former than latter).

Hopefully MLB wax pricing doesn't get too crazy though. NBA/NFL wax prices have sucked for years.

I can't wait to see the reaction when Topps Chrome hits Donruss Optic prices. Because basically Donruss is the parallel to Flagship Paper and Optic is the Chrome version of regular Donruss.

[cruiserdaddy7]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

What's currently happening with licensed MLB products is what's been happening to licensed NBA/NFL products for years.

Licensed MLB products always lagged behind the other 2 in regards to demand and their high prices but it's finally catching up now.

It doesn't help that the 2024 MLB rookie class (and probably 2025) is strong whereas the 2024-25 NBA and 2024 NFL rookie classes are weak (so additional attention being placed on the former than latter).

Hopefully MLB wax pricing doesn't get too crazy though. NBA/NFL wax prices have sucked for years.

We are heading into it for sure. This Heritage High release will be another move towards insanity. Can't find it right now under 200 for hobby and people are used to it being a sub 100 a box product.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by cruiserdaddy7

We are heading into it for sure. This Heritage High release will be another move towards insanity. Can't find it right now under 200 for hobby and people are used to it being a sub 100 a box product.

I'm just hoping that the fact that 24HHN is being released so close in time to 25 Heritage saps demand for the latter, resulting in more reasonable box prices.

Because I'm one of the rare people who likes the 1976 design just as much, if not more, than the 1975 design.

[bub838]

Originally Posted by mfw13

I'm just hoping that the fact that 24HHN is being released so close in time to 25 Heritage saps demand for the latter, resulting in more reasonable box prices.

Because I'm one of the rare people who likes the 1976 design just as much, if not more, than the 1975 design.

Wish in one hand, #@#@#@#@ in the other, etc.