Justin Fields Thread - Page 13

IronCladLou · 12-20-2022, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by exospheer

So Fields still hasn't signed and not sure what Panini is going to do.

Yeah just extended one of mine for another 120 days.

I was thinking about a replacement as it probably was a good time to do it, but didn't want a Darden base auto as a replacement

exospheer · 12-31-2022, 03:48 AM

So Fields, Pitts, and Jaycee Horn all share the same agency. I don't think any of them sign except for Fields in the beginning and for Flawless and Eminence. Micah Parsons shares the same agency. I am starting to worry we are going to get lamelo'd with Fields. That could make his Flawless and maybe perhaps Eminence carry a big premium. We will see what happens this offseaons but if nothing by next season its a bad sign.

hairysasquatch · 12-31-2022, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by IronCladLou

Yeah just extended one of mine for another 120 days.

I was thinking about a replacement as it probably was a good time to do it, but didn't want a Darden base auto as a replacement

Keep buying Poopnini!

hairysasquatch · 01-01-2023, 04:35 PM

Are Bears fans still sold on Fields as their QB1?

jplarson · 01-01-2023, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

Are Bears fans still sold on Fields as their QB1?

I'm sold on not thinking a single bad game is cause for jettisoning him. Bears are in line for 2nd overall pick, the whole team isn't good. If completing 33% of his passes are the norm and not the exception, then I'm no longer sold.

Boo · 01-01-2023, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jplarson

I'm sold on not thinking a single bad game is cause for jettisoning him. Bears are in line for 2nd overall pick, the whole team isn't good. If completing 33% of his passes are the norm and not the exception, then I'm no longer sold.

kyle1707 · 01-01-2023, 06:42 PM

I live in Illinois so I have to watch every game

His running ability is shockingly elite. But dangerous

See Lamar kyler etc .. you can’t run for long in nfl

His throwing ability is all over the place.

Most concerning to me he seems to quit a little bit. Almost reminds me of jay cutler

regularp · 01-01-2023, 06:50 PM

This guy is a terrible QB. Has no feel for the game at all. If his first read isn't there, he looks lost and either holds onto the ball forever resulting in a sack or takes off for a run. He's almost never looking down the field when he starts scrambling.

Asian62150 · 01-01-2023, 08:20 PM

As others have said, his running ability is elite. His passing skills need work. But he also needs better protection and better WRs.

Given the Bears' draft capital and salary cap space, unless he gets hurt, the hype machine will be in full force for Fields in July/August.

JRX · 01-01-2023, 08:32 PM

Would he be better as just a full time back?

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HeadstrongRSS · 01-02-2023, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by exospheer

So Fields, Pitts, and Jaycee Horn all share the same agency. I don't think any of them sign except for Fields in the beginning and for Flawless and Eminence. Micah Parsons shares the same agency. I am starting to worry we are going to get lamelo'd with Fields. That could make his Flawless and maybe perhaps Eminence carry a big premium. We will see what happens this offseaons but if nothing by next season its a bad sign.

No premium. Running backs don't sell.

JeremyNick · 01-02-2023, 10:32 AM

The Claypool trade is coming up big for the Steelers.

exospheer · 01-02-2023, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by HeadstrongRSS

No premium. Running backs don't sell.

As always with Blowout, threads about players don't get any attention when they are playing well, but blow up when they have a bad game and all the hater start piling on. Same thing will happen to Trevor when he has a bad game either next week or the playoffs. You guys are so predictable its actually endearing

exospheer · 01-02-2023, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by regularp

This guy is a terrible QB. Has no feel for the game at all. If his first read isn't there, he looks lost and either holds onto the ball forever resulting in a sack or takes off for a run. He's almost never looking down the field when he starts scrambling.

Dude, thanks for rehashing draft day analysis that has been proven false already with film. He is not a one read QB, what he is not good at is throw with anticipation and throwing players open. Fields needs to definitely improve on things, but to say he is a one read QB either shows you haven't watch any of his film.

exospheer · 01-02-2023, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by kyle1707

I live in Illinois so I have to watch every game

His running ability is shockingly elite. But dangerous

See Lamar kyler etc .. you can’t run for long in nfl

His throwing ability is all over the place.

Most concerning to me he seems to quit a little bit. Almost reminds me of jay cutler

I think he was hurt after the 2nd drive yesterday. Didn't run or run hard afterwards.

Asian62150 · 01-02-2023, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by exospheer

So Fields, Pitts, and Jaycee Horn all share the same agency. I don't think any of them sign except for Fields in the beginning and for Flawless and Eminence. Micah Parsons shares the same agency. I am starting to worry we are going to get lamelo'd with Fields. That could make his Flawless and maybe perhaps Eminence carry a big premium. We will see what happens this offseaons but if nothing by next season its a bad sign.

Fields signed for Tyson Beck artist collaboration cards this year and he does local signings. He's even signs "J. Fields" on memorabilia instead of the "JF" he signs on cards. So it appears he's a willing signer. Maybe Panini rubbed him (or his agency) the wrong way.

exospheer · 01-02-2023, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Asian62150

Fields signed for Tyson Beck artist collaboration cards this year and he does local signings. He's even signs "J. Fields" on memorabilia instead of the "JF" he signs on cards. So it appears he's a willing signer. Maybe Panini rubbed him (or his agency) the wrong way.

From what I gathered from different people I have been speaking with, Fields and Panini are not on the same page and it might be a Lamelo situation. For Fields' on card autos, that includes Contenders, NT, Optic, and Contenders Optic. So almost all his big cards will be unsigned except Flawless and Eminence. But if Tyson Beck is able to get Fields to sign, then Panini needs to step up and at least get all his RC cards all signed because that is a lot of value to make up if they don't do it.

KhalDrogo · 01-02-2023, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by exospheer

As always with Blowout, threads about players don't get any attention when they are playing well, but blow up when they have a bad game and all the hater start piling on. Same thing will happen to Trevor when he has a bad game either next week or the playoffs. You guys are so predictable its actually endearing

You’re such a big fan and dying to talk about him that you posted a whopping two times in December. I guess you’d prefer the thread to be dead instead?

exospheer · 01-02-2023, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

You’re such a big fan and dying to talk about him that you posted a whopping two times in December. I guess you’d prefer the thread to be dead instead?

Yeah I posted twice about Fields cards and him signing since its a card forum and what I want to talk about. I don't really care about Blowout's opinions on football players abilities.

HeadstrongRSS · 01-02-2023, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by exospheer

As always with Blowout, threads about players don't get any attention when they are playing well, but blow up when they have a bad game and all the hater start piling on. Same thing will happen to Trevor when he has a bad game either next week or the playoffs. You guys are so predictable its actually endearing

Don't you ever compare Trevor to Justin. They are not even in the same stratosphere. Trevor is a complete QB who is making steps towards the top tier if QBs in the league. Justin Fields can't pass to save his life and needs to prove he's not in the bottom 3 or 4 QBs at passing the ball. Its Zach Wilson level passing.

KhalDrogo · 01-02-2023, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by exospheer

Yeah I posted twice about Fields cards and him signing since its a card forum and what I want to talk about. I don't really care about Blowout's opinions on football players abilities.

Then why complain about it?

exospheer · 01-02-2023, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Then why complain about it?

Why complain about me complaining about it. I said it in the Zach Wilson thread, people here (and on the internet) are more interested in piling on when a player is doing poorly. It happened on the Trevor thread too. Let players develop.

jplarson · 01-02-2023, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by HeadstrongRSS

Don't you ever compare Trevor to Justin.

Here's another comparison of Trevor and Justin; they both failed to beat the Lions this year.

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Originally Posted by HeadstrongRSS

Justin Fields can't pass to save his life and needs to prove he's not in the bottom 3 or 4 QBs at passing the ball. Its Zach Wilson level passing.

I would recommend taking a holistic view of Fields. The game yesterday saw a team (the Lions) motivated to try and make a playoff spot playing at home against a team (the Bears) who are currently on track to "earn" the 2nd overall pick. Meaning they are the second worst team in the NFL. Going into the season the WR corps was rated as 32nd in the NFL. The O-Line is a work in progress and there's no QB alive that prefers to have pressure vs time in the pocket.

What I saw from Fields this year with a bare bones roster is improvement compared to last year. I'd prefer his completion percentage come up a few more ticks, his interceptions move a tick down, and have a chance to make quick decisions without the defense bum rushing him. But if he was able to improve in 2022 with a roster that was worse than 2021 I take that as a good sign.

Doesn't mean he's for sure going to pan out. Doesn't mean he's going to be better that Trevor Lawrence. I've seen him miss guys. I've seen him make some beautiful deep throws and on target passes. All he has to do is be the best version of himself and I think that will take care of things for the team in 2023 and beyond.

I swear Mahomes broke people's brains on expectations for young QBs as much as Brady broke the brains on what long-term achievement should look like.

/salt

oldgoldy97 · 01-02-2023, 01:57 PM

His stats are trending close to Josh Allen. Next year is the kicker. They need a stud WR (vet) just like how Buffalo got Diggs for Allen and Philly got AJ for Hurts.

kluke84 · 01-02-2023, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by exospheer

Why complain about me complaining about it. I said it in the Zach Wilson thread, people here (and on the internet) are more interested in piling on when a player is doing poorly. It happened on the Trevor thread too. Let players develop.

I agree with this. It is too early to be 100% confident
in projecting any of the 2021 class as a bust (maybe ZW but still has a chance with a change of scenery). 2023 is the prove it year. Fields in particular got screwed by management this year for the absurd roster put around him. Bears have #1 cap space in the league this off-season if I am not mistaken. If so, should be much improved in 23.

Trevor has reached the next level, but before the season started, Jags spent an off-season NFL record in FA additions. That helped a tremendous amount along with getting a SB winning coach.

The rush to bury young QB's IMO is due to 2 factors:

-not their guy/regret for not getting into them early enough
-eliminate perceived future competition vs. 'Their guy'

Lastly, as another poster noted, the Mahomes effect is real. He is an anomoly. I may also blame the pundit class since Mahomes in the rush to bury young QBs early for clickbait. Looks at Daniel Jones, needed 4 yrs but now in the dance.

I for one think Fields is the 2nd best QB in his class and has a great chance to prove the doubters wrong in 2023.

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Asian62150 Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 6,540 Asian62150	As others have said, his running ability is elite. His passing skills need work. But he also needs better protection and better WRs. Given the Bears' draft capital and salary cap space, unless he gets hurt, the hype machine will be in full force for Fields in July/August. __________________ IG: Asian62150

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oldgoldy97 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 51,246	His stats are trending close to Josh Allen. Next year is the kicker. They need a stud WR (vet) just like how Buffalo got Diggs for Allen and Philly got AJ for Hurts. __________________ Truly riveting discussion: that’s what your wife/girlfriend/sheep said.

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exospheer Member Join Date: Mar 2020 Posts: 638	So Fields, Pitts, and Jaycee Horn all share the same agency. I don't think any of them sign except for Fields in the beginning and for Flawless and Eminence. Micah Parsons shares the same agency. I am starting to worry we are going to get lamelo'd with Fields. That could make his Flawless and maybe perhaps Eminence carry a big premium. We will see what happens this offseaons but if nothing by next season its a bad sign.

01-01-2023, 06:42 PM	#307
kyle1707 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 20,502	I live in Illinois so I have to watch every game His running ability is shockingly elite. But dangerous See Lamar kyler etc .. you can’t run for long in nfl His throwing ability is all over the place. Most concerning to me he seems to quit a little bit. Almost reminds me of jay cutler

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regularp Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,171	This guy is a terrible QB. Has no feel for the game at all. If his first read isn't there, he looks lost and either holds onto the ball forever resulting in a sack or takes off for a run. He's almost never looking down the field when he starts scrambling.

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JRX Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 15,881	Would he be better as just a full time back? Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk

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