Evan Mathis Trimming Anything and Everything to Sell via Probstein, PWCC, & COMC

[pip]

Originally Posted by rcmb3220

Try harder. Are you going to post your evidence against Steve Hart at bbce or are you just going to pretend to be part of BODA by commenting on every post they make?

Does it bother you that you're heavily invested in a company that has an inherent conflict of interest and has graded many searched 1980s wax boxes? I'm going to guess yes or you wouldn't have brought the argument to this thread, which has nothing to do with that discussion.

[Boo]

Originally Posted by cardology

Good questions, and I see where you’re coming from. But I think it’s best that the OP remains intact in all its glory. I really don’t feel the need to prove anything to anyone. My name was brought up, I had a little extra free time (not as much as 312) so I decided to jump in and have some fun.

You can still make paper chain links if you want, I won’t judge you.

Wow, you sound like a real tool

[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by pip

Does it bother you that you're heavily invested in a company that has an inherent conflict of interest and has graded many searched 1980s wax boxes? I'm going to guess yes or you wouldn't have brought the argument to this thread, which has nothing to do with that discussion.

No, it bothers me that you’d make an accusation against them, claim to have proof, and then refuse to show it. All while sniffing BODA butt in all these trimming threads where they show overwhelming evidence where they don’t have to lie to support their stance.

Face it, you fabricated events that didn’t happen to support your opinion. Then you got called out on your lie and you’re too invested in it to admit you lied. You have no credibility. I have a hard time believing the moderators let it stand, but it’s not my call.

[nickha2]

Originally Posted by rcmb3220

No, it bothers me that you’d make an accusation against them, claim to have proof, and then refuse to show it. All while sniffing BODA butt in all these trimming threads where they show overwhelming evidence where they don’t have to lie to support their stance.

Face it, you fabricated events that didn’t happen to support your opinion. Then you got called out on your lie and you’re too invested in it to admit you lied. You have no credibility. I have a hard time believing the moderators let it stand, but it’s not my call.

Look at this guy.

[dizzydolse]

Originally Posted by cardology

You want some? I’ll send you a bunch you can keep. Send me your address. I’ll include some cookies as well. Just don’t buy your paper trimmer with your eBay account.

Its great to see you find this whole thing so funny. Since you're so carefree about the whole thing, you have to admit, the changes to your wikipedia page are pretty hilarious!

[rats60]

Originally Posted by rcmb3220

No, it bothers me that you’d make an accusation against them, claim to have proof, and then refuse to show it. All while sniffing BODA butt in all these trimming threads where they show overwhelming evidence where they don’t have to lie to support their stance.

Face it, you fabricated events that didn’t happen to support your opinion. Then you got called out on your lie and you’re too invested in it to admit you lied. You have no credibility. I have a hard time believing the moderators let it stand, but it’s not my call.

A few months ago there was a post about a 82 Fleer Wax box that they certified that had a pack replaced with a 81 Fleer pack. When the box was opened, there was no Ripken RC, meaning that it was most likely searched.

[pip]

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[gmoney328]

Originally Posted by dizzydolse

Its great to see you find this whole thing so funny. Since you're so carefree about the whole thing, you have to admit, the changes to your wikipedia page are pretty hilarious!

The change to Wikipedia has been removed.

[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by pip

You live in a fantasy world.

Post the proof against BBCE and shatter my worldview.

[pip]

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[pejc300]

Originally Posted by rcmb3220

Post the proof against BBCE and shatter my worldview.

You guys can move this convo to another thread. Let's stay on topic; namely Evan Mathis trimming a crap ton of cards, not denying it, and then being smug about it.

[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by pejc300

You guys can move this convo to another thread. Let's stay on topic; namely Evan Mathis trimming a crap ton of cards, not denying it, and then being smug about it.

Will do, just remember that poster pip is a liar with no credibility. I’ll show myself out.

[unclemonkey]

Really stupid question I have not seen answered... (edited... found my answer)

[Wil]

“Associates: Chad Thyzel (ebay ID: legendsandlegacies, formerly superiorsports), Jason Koonce, Rick Mcgehee (fictitious alias?), Rick Probstein (Probstein123), Brent Huigens (PWCC), COMC, Sean Bassik (investinbaseball)”

Can someone remind me what “Associates” means? These guys have (allegedly) knowingly sold the trimmed cards?

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by Wil

“Associates: Chad Thyzel (ebay ID: legendsandlegacies, formerly superiorsports), Jason Koonce, Rick Mcgehee (fictitious alias?), Rick Probstein (Probstein123), Brent Huigens (PWCC), COMC, Sean Bassik (investinbaseball)”

Can someone remind me what “Associates” means? These guys have (allegedly) knowingly sold the trimmed cards?

People he is associated with. There is context for every name in the thread.

[7nohitter]

Saps...

[unclemonkey]

Originally Posted by gmarutiak

So, is the word "cardology" simply defined as "the science of trimming cards"?

It was right in front of our faces this entire time!

F'in ironic for sure.

[pip]

Originally Posted by rcmb3220

Will do, just remember that poster pip is a liar with no credibility. I’ll show myself out.

What are you? 3?

[auburn35]

Originally Posted by scottagibson

Finally, someone else who sees this thing the way I am seeing it.

I do apologize for making light of the scandal in past posts.

I highly doubt you're viewing this topic, in the same light as a defense attorney.

Your previous statements implied; these were just baseball cards, what laws could they possibly be violating?

This defense attorney didn't say trimming, isn't covered by mail fraud. His comments were that those charges might be difficult to prove, based solely on the act of trimming.

Here's an actual example of mail fraud being applied to someone (selling) cards to unsuspecting buyers across the country; which is what has been occurring in these various, altered card threads. People aren't altering/grading these cards, just to put in storage boxes, tucked under their bed.
https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...ts-sentencing/

Mail fraud is a felony, carrying a maximum sentence of 20 years in jail, a $250,000 fine or both. The guilty plea likely means Nucero won’t receive anywhere near that much. In fact, under the plea agreement, federal prosecutors have recommended a probation sentence, although the final decision will be up to Judge Thomas Vanaskie. Nucero may also be forced to pay restitution to his victims, although the total amount of money involved has not yet been calculated.

I hope when the FBI finishes their investigation, they don't go this route and allow these "butchers" to continue their operation, under federal supervision.

[base set]

I have never even submitted a card for grading but even I knew that sending in an 'altered' card was against their ToS (Terms of Service) or whatever they call it. I have never known how useful those would really be to PSA though when things get down to brass tacks in a court of law, if they ever do. But they are probably nice for PSA to be able to point to - see, we require stating the cards are authentic and problem = elsewhere.

Meanwhile there is that Guarantee and TPGs pointing complaints back to an auction house pointing a complaint back to the actual consignor pointing back to the TPG.... an all too perfect pass-the-buck system for all 3 of the parties.

And if relatively nice vintage cards, but altered ones, are submitted (and then rejected) by a scammer multiple times it would probably be inevitable that the scammer would then just dump them raw, in a lot, to some other dealer, and that whole idea is so obvious that of course that next dealer's easiest recourse is to just claim "I was scammed" - even if they are actually a scammer, too. Or even if they are not.

What a mess. Just measure the damn cards already. It ain't rocket appliances.

[dizzydolse]

Originally Posted by gmoney328

The change to Wikipedia has been removed.

He must not have thought it was very funny...

[Pink Pussycat]

Originally Posted by scottagibson

Oh. Didn't understand really what you were saying. Well I would hope they would be. But I still don't think this will change too much. Not until PSA gets a better system in place that can somehow measure cards to an exact science with computers or some new technology that they obviously don't have at this time.

Why would you possibly rely on PSA to "put a better system in place"?

They are an enormous piece of this fraud.... if not the biggest. Their meaningless "stamp of approval" is the biggest single enabler of the fraud and corruption. The numbered PSA Slab is the thing that keeps all of this churning right along. And unless they are replaced with something more accurate/ethical, it will just continue indefinitely.

So instead of looking to PSA to make necessary improvements, we should be seeking a completely new venue (for those who want 3rd party opinions and authentication). Bottom line... Do not be automatically conditioned to rely upon PSA's brainwashing and self-promotion.

[Murphy8276]

What other cards have been found to be trimmed from the same orders?

[unclemonkey]

PSA once labeled a card I submitted as questionable color/altered color... so I know they can detect some issues.

I have a $10 plastic tool to measure centering.

How hard is it to develop a digital measuring tool and catch them in the grading phase?

Measuring would catch 90% of this crap.

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by unclemonkey

PSA once labeled a card I submitted as questionable color/altered color... so I know they can detect some issues.

I have a $10 plastic tool to measure centering.

How hard is it to develop a digital measuring tool and catch them in the grading phase?

Measuring would catch 90% of this crap.

It already exists. They could measure card dimensions to the nanometer starting next month if they wanted. Obviously, this granularity is unnecessary, but it’s not a matter of the technology not existing.